What will happen to Christians who reject the Sabbath?

[daq]

24 “And they will go out and look on the dead bodies of those who rebelled against me; the worms that eat them will not die, the fire that burns them will not be quenched, and they will be loathsome to all mankind.”

Is 65

New Heavens and a New Earth​

17 “See, I will create new heavens and a new earth. The former things will not be remembered, nor will they come to mind. (See Is 66:24 where after Sabbath we will go out and walk among the dead bodies) 18 But be glad and rejoice forever in what I will create, for I will create Jerusalem to be a delight and its people a joy. 19 I will rejoice over Jerusalem and take delight in my people; the sound of weeping and of crying will be heard in it no more. 20 “Never again will there be in it infant who lives but a few days, or an old man who does not live out his years; the one who dies at a hundred will be thought a mere child; the one who fails to reach a hundred will be considered accursed. 21 They will build houses and dwell in them; they will plant vineyards and eat their fruit. 22 No longer will they build houses and others live in them, or plant and others eat. For as the days of a tree, so will be the days of my people; my chosen ones will long enjoy the work of their hands. 23 They will not labor in vain, nor will they bear children doomed to misfortune; for they will be a people blessed by the Lord, they and their descendants with them. 24 Before they call I will answer; while they are still speaking I will hear. 25 The wolf and the lamb will feed together and the lion will eat straw like the ox and dust will be the serpent’s food. They will neither harm nor destroy on all my holy mountain,”
says the Lord.


When verse 23 is put together the remainder of what Is wrote about the New Earth it certainly does not make verse 23 a proof text like the SDAs like to refer.

As the days of the heavens upon the earth.

Deuteronomy 11:18-21 KJV
18 Therefore shall ye lay up these my words in your heart and in your soul, and bind them for a sign upon your hand, that they may be as frontlets between your eyes.
19 And ye shall teach them your children, speaking of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.
20 And thou shalt write them upon the door posts of thine house, and upon thy gates:
21 That your days may be multiplied, and the days of your children, in the land which the LORD sware unto your fathers to give them, as the days of heaven upon the earth.

The multiplied days are expounded in the Prophets, and often couched within apocalyptic language: they are hidden from those who refuse to walk the path because they never fully receive this promise, (and typically never study the Torah calendar anyway).

 

[GodBeMercifulToMeASinner]

No professing Christian who claims to keep the sabbath does so by biblical standards. At best they are just doing vain manmade religion. Anyone who goes to a religious building on the sabbath is causing their modern pastor to work, forcing them to sin and break the sabbath. Anyone who turns on the radio in the car on the way there is causing the station employees to work. Driving on the road to the religious building causes for traffic cops to have to work.

Anyone who uses electricity on the sabbath is causing for the workers at the power & electric facility to have to work and forces them to sin. Say it’s wintertime and a sabbath worshipper uses a gas powered furnace to heat their domicile, they are kindling a flame within their home, thus breaking the sabbath (Exodus 35:3). Do sabbath worshippers use AC in the hot summer months? Breaking the sabbath by causing others to work.

Anyone who uses water on the sabbath which is provided by a city source is causing people to have to work. Why don’t the sabbath worshippers put all the employees to death who work on Saturday? They are violating the law by letting them live (Exodus 35:2).

Also, what about Alaskans, how are they supposed to observe the sabbath? They cannot gauge sun up and sun down for many times throughout the year due to their location from the equator, where the sun cycle is shorter.

“Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.” —Colossians 2:16-17

“In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.”
—Colossians 2:11-15

“If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron? For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.”
—Hebrews 7:11-12

“Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods. But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage? Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years. I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.”
—Galatians 4:8-11

“For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.”
—Matthew 23:4

 

[returntosender]

I don't know of any Christian that rejects the Sabbath, why would they do that? Maybe you should rephrase the question

 

[Gary K]

No professing Christian who claims to keep the sabbath does so by biblical standards. At best they are just doing vain manmade religion. Anyone who goes to a religious building on the sabbath is causing their modern pastor to work, forcing them to sin and break the sabbath. Anyone who turns on the radio in the car on the way there is causing the station employees to work. Driving on the road to the religious building causes for traffic cops to have to work.

Anyone who uses electricity on the sabbath is causing for the workers at the power & electric facility to have to work and forces them to sin. Say it’s wintertime and a sabbath worshipper uses a gas powered furnace to heat their domicile, they are kindling a flame within their home, thus breaking the sabbath (Exodus 35:3). Do sabbath worshippers use AC in the hot summer months? Breaking the sabbath by causing others to work.

Anyone who uses water on the sabbath which is provided by a city source is causing people to have to work. Why don’t the sabbath worshippers put all the employees to death who work on Saturday? They are violating the law by letting them live (Exodus 35:2).

Also, what about Alaskans, how are they supposed to observe the sabbath? They cannot gauge sun up and sun down for many times throughout the year due to their location from the equator, where the sun cycle is shorter.

“Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.” —Colossians 2:16-17

“In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.”
—Colossians 2:11-15

“If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron? For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.”
—Hebrews 7:11-12

“Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods. But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage? Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years. I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.”
—Galatians 4:8-11

“For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.”
—Matthew 23:4

That's one the most legalistic posts I've ever read.

 

[Bob S]

That's one the most legalistic posts I've ever read.

The problem is that Sabbath observers are unable to deny the post. The poster didn't even touch on Is 58:13. Are you able to keep your mind on Holy things for 24 hours a week?

Gary, do you do realize that the Sabbath, when given at Sinai, was the starting point of the rest day and then as the sun set around the World Sabbath day would start as the sun set. Well, do you also realize that the starting time of the Sabbath changed when the International Date Line was established. The starting time of the days of the week start at the IDL and of course that includes Saturday. So, the question is since it isn't starting where God gave it are you really heeding the old covenant requirement of trying to keep it on the correct day? Will that fact just go over your head like all the posts that prove Sabbath is not a requirement for anyone anymore.

 

[Gary K]

The problem is that Sabbath observers are unable to deny the post. The poster didn't even touch on Is 58:13. Are you able to keep your mind on Holy things for 24 hours a week?

Gary, do you do realize that the Sabbath, when given at Sinai, was the starting point of the rest day and then as the sun set around the World Sabbath day would start as the sun set. Well, do you also realize that the starting time of the Sabbath changed when the International Date Line was established. The starting time of the days of the week start at the IDL and of course that includes Saturday. So, the question is since it isn't starting where God gave it are you really heeding the old covenant requirement of trying to keep it on the correct day? Will that fact just go over your head like all the posts that prove Sabbath is not a requirement for anyone anymore.

Yes, Bob, I am keeping the Sabbath by your definition. Knowing God is righteousness by faith and I have known Him as my friend since the mid 70s. That's 50 years, Bob. Can you say God is your friend? Jesus says that is eternal life.

 

[GodBeMercifulToMeASinner]

That's one the most legalistic posts I've ever read.

Legalistic? How so? I honestly know nothing about ancient Chinese philosophy, and wasn’t aware that God’s standards for sabbath keeping were based upon it.

 

[Gary K]

Legalistic? How so? I honestly know nothing about ancient Chinese philosophy, and wasn’t aware that God’s standards for sabbath keeping were based upon it.

What's Chinese philosophy have to do with it? I find your claim to be very specious.. Why? No one but those who keep the Sabbath drive on Sabbath? No one but Sabbath keepers use electricity on the Sabbath? You have used fallacious reasoning Don't worry, I've seen it before so you're not alone.

 

[GodBeMercifulToMeASinner]

What's Chinese philosophy have to do with it? I find your claim to be very specious.. Why? No one but those who keep the Sabbath drive on Sabbath? No one but Sabbath keepers use electricity on the Sabbath? You have used fallacious reasoning Don't worry, I've seen it before so you're not alone.

You said my post was ‘legalistic’, which is a school of ancient Chinese philosophy. Not sure what ancient Chinese philosophy has to do with keeping the sabbath by God’s standards.
Of course, most people do drive on Saturdays. As well as use electricity, city sourced water, kindle flames within their dwelling, make dinner for the family on the sabbath day, and all that. But the thing is, the overwhelming majority of the people doing all that, aren’t hypocritically portraying themselves as sabbath keepers and preaching sabbath keeping . Sabbath keepers ironically violate the sabbath in part (along with other violations) by using resources which cause for others to have to work and according to the law, be put to death (Exodus 35:2).

Not sure how measuring modern manmade liberal versions of sabbath keeping alongside God’s biblical standards is ‘fallacious’ reasoning. Thankfully, I am not an ancient Israelite and am also under the new covenant, therefore I don’t have to worry about sabbath keeping.

But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.
—Titus 3:9

 

[Gary K]

You said my post was ‘legalistic’, which is a school of ancient Chinese philosophy. Not sure what ancient Chinese philosophy has to do with keeping the sabbath by God’s standards.
Of course, most people do drive on Saturdays. As well as use electricity, city sourced water, kindle flames within their dwelling, make dinner for the family on the sabbath day, and all that. But the thing is, the overwhelming majority of the people doing all that, aren’t hypocritically portraying themselves as sabbath keepers and preaching sabbath keeping . Sabbath keepers ironically violate the sabbath in part (along with other violations) by using resources which cause for others to have to work and according to the law, be put to death (Exodus 35:2).

Not sure how measuring modern manmade liberal versions of sabbath keeping alongside God’s biblical standards is ‘fallacious’ reasoning. Thankfully, I am not an ancient Israelite and am also under the new covenant, therefore I don’t have to worry about sabbath keeping.

But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.
—Titus 3:9

Overwhelming majority? There are more non Christians in this country than Christians and the trend is all downhill from here. And what does that have to do with Sunday keepers who do not keep the seventh day Sabbath. You're conflating several issues.

Do you know that the conversation rate in North America of people to Christianity is .04%. That doesn't even keep up with the population growth rate. In Iran Muslims are converting to Christianity at 40% per year.

 

[GodBeMercifulToMeASinner]

Overwhelming majority? There are more non Christians in this country than Christians and the trend is all downhill from here. And what does that have to do with Sunday keepers who do not keep the seventh day Sabbath. You're conflating several issues.

Do you know that the conversation rate in North America of people to Christianity is .04%. That doesn't even keep up with the population growth rate. In Iran Muslims are converting to Christianity at 40% per year.

What does x amount of the population not being Christian have to do with anything I was talking about? Nothing. My point is, that all these non-christians whom you are utilizing for service on the sabbath, 1. they are not preaching for others to keep the sabbath like you are, while not keeping the sabbath. 2. you are causing them to have to work on the sabbath, and are in fact by utilizing their services, encouraging them to remain infidels, encouraging them to sin and rebel against God (according to the sabbatarian doctrine you follow anyway) while in fact your mission is to be doing the opposite, and making disciples (Matthew 28:19). You ought to do all you can to encourage them to keep the sabbath rather than encourage them to violate. That has to be the epitome of religious hypocrisy; especially considering that I have never come across a single sabbatarian who kept the sabbath by God’s standards, only manmade liberal corner cutting standards.

But if your doctrine of sabbatarianism is indeed biblical new covenant Christianity, you’re still breaking God’s law by not loving your neighbor as yourself (Galatians 5:14, Leviticus 19:18), because every time you utilize a service or infrastructure on the sabbath day, you are aiding them in rebellion against God (according to your standards) and encouraging them to work on the sabbath, having no love or consideration for them..encouraging them to sin.

I honestly mean no offense either, my hope is that you will un-yoke yourself from this millstone you needlessly choose to drag around, up hill, on a sheet of ice with the wind blowing against you. You’re not going to be able to keep the Jewish law, you prove that to all of us here on the forum whenever you make a post on the sabbath day, violating it by writing, and causing others to have to work, namely the CF staff and volunteers..safe to say they are christian, yes?

But let’s say that is even relevant to my point, that x amount of the population is not christian..what about sabbatarian modern pastors who are professing to be christians? Don’t sabbatarians attend their religious buildings on the sabbath, causing for their modern pastors to have to work? Which would cause them to be violating the sabbath, and also, according to Exodus 35:2 that requires they be put to death.

 

[Gary K]

What does x amount of the population not being Christian have to do with anything I was talking about? Nothing. My point is, that all these non-christians whom you are utilizing for service on the sabbath, 1. they are not preaching for others to keep the sabbath like you are, while not keeping the sabbath. 2. you are causing them to have to work on the sabbath, and are in fact by utilizing their services, encouraging them to remain infidels, encouraging them to sin and rebel against God (according to the sabbatarian doctrine you follow anyway) while in fact your mission is to be doing the opposite, and making disciples (Matthew 28:19). You ought to do all you can to encourage them to keep the sabbath rather than encourage them to violate. That has to be the epitome of religious hypocrisy; especially considering that I have never come across a single sabbatarian who kept the sabbath by God’s standards, only manmade liberal corner cutting standards.

But if your doctrine of sabbatarianism is indeed biblical new covenant Christianity, you’re still breaking God’s law by not loving your neighbor as yourself (Galatians 5:14, Leviticus 19:18), because every time you utilize a service or infrastructure on the sabbath day, you are aiding them in rebellion against God (according to your standards) and encouraging them to work on the sabbath, having no love or consideration for them..encouraging them to sin.

I honestly mean no offense either, my hope is that you will un-yoke yourself from this millstone you needlessly choose to drag around, up hill, on a sheet of ice with the wind blowing against you. You’re not going to be able to keep the Jewish law, you prove that to all of us here on the forum whenever you make a post on the sabbath day, violating it by writing, and causing others to have to work, namely the CF staff and volunteers..safe to say they are christian, yes?

But let’s say that is even relevant to my point, that x amount of the population is not christian..what about sabbatarian modern pastors who are professing to be christians? Don’t sabbatarians attend their religious buildings on the sabbath, causing for their modern pastors to have to work? Which would cause them to be violating the sabbath, and also, according to Exodus 35:2 that requires they be put to death.

When has truth ever been popular? Only 8 antedeluvians survived the flood. The majority of Israel's and Judah's kings were actually pagans. Down throughout history God's truth has always been unpopular. During Elijah's day he was the only prophet of God against 850 prophets of Jezebel on Mount Carmel. Human nature hasn't changed since then. Look around you and see all the nonsense about LGBTQ being promoted by our government. God is not popular today.

How many Israelites made it into the promised land? Two out of millions of Israelites.

 

[GodBeMercifulToMeASinner]

When has truth ever been popular? Only 8 antedeluvians survived the flood. The majority of Israel's and Judah's kings were actually pagans. Down throughout history God's truth has always been unpopular. During Elijah's day he was the only prophet of God against 850 prophets of Jezebel on Mount Carmel. Human nature hasn't changed since then. Look around you and see all the nonsense about LGBTQ being promoted by our government. God is not popular today.

How many Israelites made it into the promised land? Two out of millions of Israelites.

But there is a big difference between God’s truth, and Ellen White’s truth.

The real truth is that most people are self-absorbed and full of pride, don’t care about anyone but their own selves..that is real human nature. Especially in the west. And that includes most adherents of western building-based, ritual-oriented religion aka churchianity. And it isn’t very popular or well received to confess that.

“And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others: Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican. The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican. I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess. And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner. I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.”
—Luke 18:9-14

That is right though, 100% as you say. God’s truth doesn’t change. He doesn’t care about anyone’s vain ritualistic religion..it is the heart that matters.

“For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.”
—2 Corinthians 7:10

Or if you prefer to OT

“The Lord is nigh unto them that are of a broken heart; and saveth such as be of a contrite spirit.”
—Psalm 34:18

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Truth according to God's Word

Jesus is the Truth John 14:6
His Word is the Truth John 17:17
All His commandments are Truth Psa 119:151

We need the whole Truth, which sets us free John 8:31-32

 

[Gary K]

But there is a big difference between God’s truth, and Ellen White’s truth.

The real truth is that most people are self-absorbed and full of pride, don’t care about anyone but their own selves..that is real human nature. Especially in the west. And that includes most adherents of western building-based, ritual-oriented religion aka churchianity. And it isn’t very popular or well received to confess that.

“And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others: Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican. The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican. I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess. And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner. I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.”
—Luke 18:9-14

That is right though, 100% as you say. God’s truth doesn’t change. He doesn’t care about anyone’s vain ritualistic religion..it is the heart that matters.

“For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.”
—2 Corinthians 7:10

Or if you prefer to OT

“The Lord is nigh unto them that are of a broken heart; and saveth such as be of a contrite spirit.”
—Psalm 34:18

Ellen White's basic message was trust God completely in everything. Like you just said the vast majority of people want nothing to do with that as they are self absorbed.

 

[Gary K]

If no rebuttal is what you have then that is what you should of said.

I will rebut your spiritual fallacy. The NC was given so we might know God.

Jeremiah 31: 31 ¶ Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:
33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

This is an exact parallel to John 17: 3.

John 17: 3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

So salvation is based upon knowing God by having His law written in our hearts. Nothing more and nothing less. If we don't have a personal relationship with Him we will not be saved.

 

[HIM]

I will rebut your spiritual fallacy.

What are you speaking of Gary.

 

[Gary K]

What are you speaking of Gary.

The result of the NC which is knowing God as a friend.

 

[HIM]

The result of the NC which is knowing God as a friend.

What is this spiritual fallacy that you say I have?

 

[Gary K]

What is this spiritual fallacy that you say I have?

I told you you have a spiritual fallacy? I must have inadvertently click on a wrong link,