Is it Necessary to Keep the Law?

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Well, and tithing
That was in regard to the first fruits offering.

But are you saying that Leviticus 15:12 which deals with smashing earthenware vessels and rinsing wooden vessels, does not currently apply because an unclean person cannot enter the temple, and there is no temple?
The purpose of being ritually clean was in regard to temple practice, moreover, without a temple, there is not way for someone to become ritually clean.
 
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How would you know? You can read their thoughts?
No, I can't read their thoughts. But in posts from seventh Day observers, many say that they keep the laws related to cleanliness. Then I can read the posts where they describe how they keep a particular cleanliness law to the letter. Or, I can note which questions aren't answered :)

We've communicated a lot on this site. Do I keep this commandment?
Which commandment are you referring to? If you are talking about Leviticus 15:12, I believe you do not keep the letter of that commandment, based on our previous communications :heart:

You must be able to read hearts better than God.
No, I'm just going by what I can read here and the general idea that if cleanliness practices were happening "to the letter" there would be stories about that, much like there are stories about seventh day observers not working on Saturday.

1Kings 19: 14 And he said, I have been very jealous for the LORD God of hosts: because the children of Israel have forsaken thy covenant, thrown down thine altars, and slain thy prophets with the sword; and I, even I only, am left; and they seek my life, to take it away.
15 And the LORD said unto him, Go, return on thy way to the wilderness of Damascus: and when thou comest, anoint Hazael to be king over Syria:
16 And Jehu the son of Nimshi shalt thou anoint to be king over Israel: and Elisha the son of Shaphat of Abel-meholah shalt thou anoint to be prophet in thy room.*n3
17 And it shall come to pass, that him that escapeth the sword of Hazael shall Jehu slay: and him that escapeth from the sword of Jehu shall Elisha slay.
18 Yet I have left me seven thousand in Israel, all the knees which have not bowed unto Baal, and every mouth which hath not kissed him.*n4

Elijah thought he was the only worshiper of God left in the nation of Israel and yet there were 7000 people who had not participated in the lustful practice of Baal worship. That's a society as morally corrupt a ours is today and yet there were 7000 left who hadn't given in to licentiousness.
I think you badly underestimate the Adventist church.
Do you remember our previous conversation about Leviticus 15:12? I believe I can find it again, if you wish.
 
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No, I can't read their thoughts. But in posts from seventh Day observers, many say that they keep the laws related to cleanliness. Then I can read the posts where they describe how they keep a particular cleanliness law to the letter. Or, I can note which questions aren't answered :)


Which commandment are you referring to? If you are talking about Leviticus 15:12, I believe you do not keep the letter of that commandment, based on our previous communications :heart:


No, I'm just going by what I can read here and the general idea that if cleanliness practices were happening "to the letter" there would be stories about that, much like there are stories about seventh day observers not working on Saturday.



Do you remember our previous conversation about Leviticus 15:12? I believe I can find it again, if you wish.
No, I'm speaking of the commandment to not commit adultery. but you knew that already.
 
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That was in regard to the first fruits offering.
That's a possible interpretation.

To me, it looks like the first part of chapter 26 is about the first fruits, "some of the first of all the produce".

Then in verse 12, it switches to tithing, "When you have finished paying all the tithe of your produce in the third year".

The first fruits are given to the priest who sets it before the Lord.

But for the tithe, every third year it's given to "the Levite, to the stranger, to the orphan, and to the widow". Even if we don't have levites, it's still possible to give produce to strangers, orphans, and widows, imo.

The purpose of being ritually clean was in regard to temple practice, moreover, without a temple, there is not way for someone to become ritually clean.
Leviticus 15:12 is about vessels, not people.
 
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No, I'm speaking of the commandment to not commit adultery. but you knew that already.
No, I did not know that was what you were referring to. It was a possibility, but the more likely antecedent was Leviticus 15:12, since that's what I had referred to as "this law"
But with this law, it looks to me like the principal and the letter do not overlap very much.
 
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No, I did not know that was what you were referring to. It was a possibility, but the more likely antecedent was Leviticus 15:12, since that's what I had referred to as "this law"
Actually here is what you said in the post I replied to as it was about adultery.

I'm really disappointed in you.

 
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Actually here is what you said in the post I replied to as it was about adultery.

I'm really disappointed in you.

The first part of post #15 was about adultery, yes.

The second much longer part was about Leviticus 15:12 :)
 
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By the way, @Gary K , my friend, would you like to learn how to make embedded links in your posts? I'll be happy to show you, if you don't know already :)
I'm really not interested, but thanks anyway.
 
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Is it important to God that Christians keep the Law?

Hello, my friend.

The challenge is that this question is not a proper starting position.

What Law are you referring to? There is no NT Law per see. So I am guessing you are speaking of OT Law. And that almost always auto defaults primarily to the 10 commandments +.

The 10 commandments (Laws) were given to the Israelites and are not for the Gentiles.

Jesus gave the Gentiles two commandments. Love God. Love your neighbor.
+ Gal 6.2 [Gal 6:2 KJV] 2 Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.

So if the question is still 'is it important to keep the Law?' That answer is no to the OT Law. Because it never applied us and we have two commandments that cover the Law and More so than the Law + Gal 6.2

It is best to avoid that question because those new in Christ are easily fooled into thinking OT Law some how, some way, must still apply to them. It does not. And then it becomes Salvation + Circumcision (The Law). And then people doubt their Eternal Salvation.

So if one wants to muddy the waters around Eternal Salvation, then yes, bring up 'the law' as a relevant discussion point.

Not being under 'the law' is irrelevant to Greesy Grace. Where one sins as they please because sinning actually brings you closer to God. Beleiveing that one can sin as much as they want is not answer by 'the law'.

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Leviticus 15:12

Throughout the entire chapter, including Lev 15:12, the LXX renders the word for issue as γονορρυης.
I wonder if there are any English words derived from that word?
 
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Hello, my friend.

The challenge is that this question is not a proper starting position.

What Law are you referring to? There is no NT Law per see. So I am guessing you are speaking of OT Law. And that almost always auto defaults primarily to the 10 commandments +.

The 10 commandments (Laws) were given to the Israelites and are not for the Gentiles.
Hello,

In Matthew 4:15-23, Jesus began his ministry with the Gospel message to repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand, which was a light to the Gentiles, and the Mosaic Law was how his audience knew what sin is (Romans 3:20), so repenting from our disobedience to it is a central part of the Gospel of the Kingdom, which Jesus prophesied would be proclaimed to all nations (Matthew 24:12-14), which he commissioned his disciples to bring to the nations (Matthew 28:16-20), and which is in accordance with Jesus being sent in fulfillment of the promise to bless us by turning us from our wickedness (Acts 3:25-26). So while the Mosaic Law was only given to Israel, it was given to equip Israel to be a light and a blessing to the Gentiles by turning them from their wickedness and by teaching them to obey it in accordance with spreading the Gospel promise.

Jesus gave the Gentiles two commandments. Love God. Love your neighbor.
+ Gal 6.2 [Gal 6:2 KJV] 2 Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.

So if the question is still 'is it important to keep the Law?' That answer is no to the OT Law. Because it never applied us and we have two commandments that cover the Law and More so than the Law + Gal 6.2
In Matthew 22:36-40, Jesus summarized the Mosaic Law as being about how to love God and our neighbor and said that all of the other commandments hang on those two, so if you think that Gentiles should obey the greatest two commandments, then you should also think that Gentiles should obey all of the commandments that hang on them. For example, if we love God and our neighbor, then we won't commit adultery, theft, murder, idolatry, kidnapping, rape, favoritism, and so forth for the rest of the Mosaic Law.

It is best to avoid that question because those new in Christ are easily fooled into thinking OT Law some how, some way, must still apply to them. It does not. And then it becomes Salvation + Circumcision (The Law). And then people doubt their Eternal Salvation.

So if one wants to muddy the waters around Eternal Salvation, then yes, bring up 'the law' as a relevant discussion point.
In Hebrews 5:9, Jesus has become a source of eternal salvation for those who obey Him. In Matthew 19:17, Jesus said that the way to enter eternal life is by obeying God's commandments. In Luke 10:25-28, Jesus said that the way to inherit eternal life is by obeying the greatest two commandments. In Revelation 22:14, to who obeyed God's commandments are given the right to eat from the tree of life. In Matthew 7:23, Jesus said that he would tell those who are workers of lawlessness to depart from him because he never knew them. In Romans 2:6-7, eternal life will be given to those who persist in doing good. In Romans 2:13, only doers of the law will be justified. In Romans 6:19-23, no longer presenting ourselves as slaves to impurity, lawlessness, and sin is contrasted with now presenting ourselves as slaves to God and to righteousness leading to sanctification and the goal of sanctification is eternal life in Christ, which is the gift of God. So while there are many verses like Romans 4:1-5 that speak against earning our eternal salvation as a wage as the result of our obedience to God's law, there are nevertheless also many verses that make it abundantly clear that there is a reason that our eternal salvation requires us to choose to be doers of the law other than in order to earn it as the result, namely faith insofar as the faith by which we are justified does not abolish our need to be doers of the law, but rather our faith upholds it (Romans 3:28-31).

Our salvation is from sin (Matthew 1:21) and the Mosaic Law is again how we know what sin is, so while we do not earn our salvation by obeying it, living in obedience to it through faith in Jesus is nevertheless intrinsically the content of the gift of him saving us from not living in obedience to it. In Titus 2:11-13, our salvation is described as being trained by grace to do what is godly, righteous, and good, and to renounce doing what is ungodly, so we are not required to have first done those works in order to earn our salvation as the result and we are not required to do those works as the result of having first been saved, but rather God graciously teaching us to do those works is intrinsically the content of His gift of saving us from not doing those works.

Not being under 'the law' is irrelevant to Greesy Grace. Where one sins as they please because sinning actually brings you closer to God. Beleiveing that one can sin as much as they want is not answer by 'the law'.


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Paul spoke about multiple different categories of law other than the Law of God, such as the law of sin and works of the law, so it is important to correctly determine which law he was referring to us as not being under, especially because it wouldn't make sense to interpret a servant of God as saying that we are free to rebel again what He has commanded. For example, in Romans 7:25-8:2, Paul contrasted the Law of God with the law of sin and contrasted the Law of the Spirit with the law of sin and death. In Romans 3:27, Paul contrasted a law of works with a law of faith, and in Romans 3:31 and Galatians 3:10-12, he contrasted a law that our faith upholds with works of the law that are not of faith.

The Law of God leads us to do what is holy, righteous, and good (Romans 7:12), so it is a law where holiness, righteousness, and goodness have dominion over us. In Romans 7, Paul spoke about his desire to do good in obedience to the Law of God, but contrasted that with the law of sin that was stirring up sinful passions in order to bear fruit unto death, which was working within his members to cause him not to do the good that he wanted to do, so it is a law where sin had dominion over us. In Romans 6:14, Paul described the law that we aren't under as being a law where sin had dominion over us, so he was speaking about the law of sin, not the Law of God. Furthermore, in Romans 6:15, being under grace does not mean that we are permitted to sin, and in 1 John 3:4, sin is the transgression of the Law of God, so we are still under it and are still obligated to refrain from doing what it reveals to be sin. Moreover, everything else in Romans 6 speaks in favor of obedience to God and against sin.
 
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Throughout the entire chapter, including Lev 15:12, the LXX renders the word for issue as γονορρυης.
I wonder if there are any English words derived from that word?
Looks like gonorrhea it is probably cognate.

But if we regard the law as spiritual, then it's not a physical gonorrhea, discharge, or flow.
 
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Looks like gonorrhea it is probably cognate.

But if we regard the law as spiritual, then it's not a physical gonorrhea, discharge, or flow.

What is rendered as leprosy in the two preceding passages, (tzara'at, Lev 13-14), is like that also: it is much more likely a spiritual condition brought on by sin, especially lashon hara, (evil speaking), because the symptoms and signs given for tzara'at in the Torah are not much at all the same as with leprosy.

If you are interested the following is an interesting article by a believing Rabbi.
 
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Looks like gonorrhea it is probably cognate.

But if we regard the law as spiritual, then it's not a physical gonorrhea, discharge, or flow.
God's law is spiritual in that it teaches us spiritual principles that are aspects of God's character of which there are physical examples. For example, love is spiritual principle and helping the poor is a physical example. Holiness is also a spiritual principle and things that make us unclean are physical examples. Correct understanding a spiritual principle will never lead us away from doing the things that are physical examples of it that were commanded in order to teach that spiritual principle.
 
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So while the Mosaic Law was only given to Israel, it was given to equip Israel to be a light and a blessing to the Gentiles by turning them from their wickedness and by teaching them to obey it in accordance with spreading the Gospel promise.

To disprove your post, all I need do is find one instance where this is not true.

Your above in bold, is true. However, your above underlined, you are attempting to slide Gentiles back under the rug of the 10 commandments.

Jesus primarily taught in the temples to the Jews. Jesus' audience was the Jews. Jesus said he came to fulfill the laws. Make them more complete.
Paul primarily taught to the Gentiles. Paul said he was the most zealous of the laws. Paul used the laws as a bases for teaching. Not for keeping. Else he would have taught circumcision.

Jesus is our High Priest. Neither Paul nor Jesus obeyed the Sabbath as a law. If your own High Priest is not obeying OT Law. Why are you calling for it to still be adhered to as Law? It is now an example.

But I will continue.

The laws are fulfilled in the two commandments. Love God. Love your neighbor. Jesus said so.
You are performing a Salvation + works concept, where the Two Commandments are enough, but you are trying to slide not circumcision, but the 'Law' back into New Wine requirements. That is another gospel.

There was no law. There was no sin.
Adam sinned. God drove them out of the garden and put heavy burdens on Adam and Eve.

Then Caine murdered Able. More sin. And God drove Able out. No great punishment for murder. Caine cried and complained. These days Caine would be on death row. That is a very lenient sentence. Because God never wants people to die before choosing salvation in Jesus. OT Law is now a barrier to people trying to understand Salvation and their responsibilities. It is 100% correct to say that Jesus commands that you Love God and Love your Neighbor. And it is 100% correct to not teach the Law after that.

Satan worked hard to bring the world to evil, with Angels attempting to dilute the population by mating with women in an attempt to prevent the Christ from coming.

To Satans delight, the world was flooded. Noah and his family were preserved.
The Noahide Laws:

1. Do not deny God (no idolatry).
2. Do not murder.
3. Do not steal.
4. Do not engage in sexual immorality.
5. Do not blaspheme.
6. Do not eat of a live animal (no eating flesh taken from an animal while it is still alive).
7. Establish courts and legal systems to ensure obedience of these laws.

According to Jewish tradition, the first six of these seven laws were given to Adam in the Garden of Eden (the sixth law, to not eat live animals, was extraneous, since Adam did not eat any animals). When God established His covenant with Noah, He added the seventh (and the sixth became applicable). Each of the seven Noahide Laws is seen as a summary of more detailed laws, about 211 total.

So the Laws were given long before the 10 commandments. The 10 commandments were for the lost Hebrews. For them only.

When The Christ was born, even through all of Satan's attempts to subvert mankind, a change was coming. Jesus was that change. And now instead of a cold or harsh law of do not do bad things, we have a loving law of telling us to Love.

It really is that simple.

Peace and Blessings
 
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God's law is spiritual in that it teaches us spiritual principles that are aspects of God's character of which there are physical examples. For example, love is spiritual principle and helping the poor is a physical example. Holiness is also a spiritual principle and things that make us unclean are physical examples. Correct understanding a spiritual principle will never lead us away from doing the things that are physical examples of it that were commanded in order to teach that spiritual principle.
Sounds reasonable to me.

I believe our brother @daq sees it differently, though I'm not completely sure :)
 
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To disprove your post, all I need do is find one instance where this is not true.

Your above in bold, is true. However, your above underlined, you are attempting to slide Gentiles back under the rug of the 10 commandments.
I am speaking about the Mosaic Law, not just the Ten Commandments. It is by the Mosaic Law that we have knowledge of what sin is (Romans 3:20), so the position that Gentiles don't need to obey it is the position that Gentiles don't need salvation from sin.

Jesus primarily taught in the temples to the Jews. Jesus' audience was the Jews. Jesus said he came to fulfill the laws. Make them more complete.
To fulfill the law means "to cause God's will (as made known through the law) to be obeyed as it should be" (NAS Greek Lexicon: pleroo). After Jesus said that he came to fulfill the law, he then proceeded to fulfill the law six times throughout the rest of the chapter by teaching how to correctly obey it as it should be.

Paul primarily taught to the Gentiles. Paul said he was the most zealous of the laws. Paul used the laws as a bases for teaching. Not for keeping. Else he would have taught circumcision.
Paul did not have the authority to countermand God, so he only spoke against circumcision for incorrect purposes. In Acts 15:1, men from Judea were wanting to require all Gentiles to become circumcised in order to become saved, however, that was never the purpose for which God commanded circumcision, so the Jerusalem Council upheld God's law by correctly ruling against requiring circumcision for an incorrect purpose.

Jesus is our High Priest. Neither Paul nor Jesus obeyed the Sabbath as a law. If your own High Priest is not obeying OT Law. Why are you calling for it to still be adhered to as Law? It is now an example.

But I will continue.
Both Paul and Jesus continued to obey the Sabbath. In Acts 21:20-24, Paul took steps to disprove false rumors that he was teaching against God's law and to show that he continued to live in obedience to it. Sin is the transgression of God's law (1 John 3:4), so for you to claim that Jesus did not obey it is to claim that he sinned and therefore to deny that he is our Savior.

The laws are fulfilled in the two commandments. Love God. Love your neighbor. Jesus said so.
You are performing a Salvation + works concept, where the Two Commandments are enough, but you are trying to slide not circumcision, but the 'Law' back into New Wine requirements. That is another gospel.
Everything commanded in the Mosaic Law is in regard to how to love our neighbor and/or God, so love fulfills the Mosaic Law because is it showing a correct understanding of how to obey it as it should be.

Again, living in obedience to God's law through faith in Jesus is intrinsically the content of the gift of him saving us from not l living in obedience to it and Titus 2:11-13 describes the gift of our salvation as being trained by grace to do those works.

Jesus gave the parable about new and old wine skins to answer a question about why his disciples weren't fasting, so you are apply what he said in a way that has nothing to do with answering that question.

The greatest two commandments implies that there are still other commandments that are not the greatest two. If the greatest two commandments were enough, then God could have just given those two commandments in the first place, but clearly other commanded were needed to flesh out what it means to correctly obey the greatest two.

The Gospel that Jesus taught called for our repentance from our disobedience to the Mosaic Law and in Romans 15:18-19, Paul fulfilled the Gospel by bringing Gentiles to obedience to it in word and in deed, so you are saying that the Gospel that Jesus and Paul taught is another Gospel.

There was no law. There was no sin.
Adam sinned. God drove them out of the garden and put heavy burdens on Adam and Eve.

Then Caine murdered Able. More sin. And God drove Able out. No great punishment for murder. Caine cried and complained. These days Caine would be on death row. That is a very lenient sentence. Because God never wants people to die before choosing salvation in Jesus. OT Law is now a barrier to people trying to understand Salvation and their responsibilities. It is 100% correct to say that Jesus commands that you Love God and Love your Neighbor. And it is 100% correct to not teach the Law after that.

Satan worked hard to bring the world to evil, with Angels attempting to dilute the population by mating with women in an attempt to prevent the Christ from coming.

To Satans delight, the world was flooded. Noah and his family were preserved.
The Noahide Laws:

1. Do not deny God (no idolatry).
2. Do not murder.
3. Do not steal.
4. Do not engage in sexual immorality.
5. Do not blaspheme.
6. Do not eat of a live animal (no eating flesh taken from an animal while it is still alive).
7. Establish courts and legal systems to ensure obedience of these laws.

According to Jewish tradition, the first six of these seven laws were given to Adam in the Garden of Eden (the sixth law, to not eat live animals, was extraneous, since Adam did not eat any animals). When God established His covenant with Noah, He added the seventh (and the sixth became applicable). Each of the seven Noahide Laws is seen as a summary of more detailed laws, about 211 total.

So the Laws were given long before the 10 commandments. The 10 commandments were for the lost Hebrews. For them only.

When The Christ was born, even through all of Satan's attempts to subvert mankind, a change was coming. Jesus was that change. And now instead of a cold or harsh law of do not do bad things, we have a loving law of telling us to Love.

It really is that simple.

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Sin is what is contrary to God nature, God's nature is eternal, and God's law was given to divide what is in accordance with or contrary to God's nature, such as as with righteousness being in accordance with God's nature and unrighteousness being sin, which is why God's righteousness and all of His righteous laws are eternal (Psalms 119:142, 119:160). There are many examples of God's laws being given prior to Sinai, such as in Genesis 4:7, God told cain that sin was crouching at the door and that he must master it and the fact that he was concerned about being avenged and was given protection rather than a death sentence shows that he was found guilty of committing accidental manslaughter in accordance with what would later instructed in Deuteronomy 19 rather than guilty of committing murder.

In Deuteronomy 4:2, it is a sin to add to or subtract from the law, so Jesus did not make any changes to it. In Matthew 22:36-40, Jesus was not asked about which were the only commandments that we should still follow, but about which was the greatest commandments, and the greatest two commandments are the greatest two because they are inclusive of all of the other commandments. Again, if we love God and our neighbor, then we won't commit adultery, idolatry, theft, murder, kidnapping, rape, favoritism, and so forth for the rest of the Mosaic Law, so that is not making a change to the law.

God did not give a cold and harsh law, but rather His law was given for our own good in order to bless us (Deuteronomy 6:24, 10:12-13). David said repeatedly throughout the Psalms that he loved God's law and delighted in obeying it, so if we consider the Psalms to be Scripture and to therefore express a correct view of God's law, then we will share it Paul did (Romans 7:22) while anything less than the view that we ought to delight in obeying it is incompatible with the view that the Psalms are Scripture. For example, in Psalms 1:1-2, blessed are those who delight in the Law and the Lord and who meditate on it day and night, so we can't believe in the truth of these words while not allowing them to shape our view of the Mosaic Law and they are incompatible with viewing it as being cold and harsh.
 
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Hello, my friend.

The challenge is that this question is not a proper starting position.

What Law are you referring to? There is no NT Law per see. So I am guessing you are speaking of OT Law. And that almost always auto defaults primarily to the 10 commandments +.

The 10 commandments (Laws) were given to the Israelites and are not for the Gentiles.

Jesus gave the Gentiles two commandments. Love God. Love your neighbor.
+ Gal 6.2 [Gal 6:2 KJV] 2 Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.

So if the question is still 'is it important to keep the Law?' That answer is no to the OT Law. Because it never applied us and we have two commandments that cover the Law and More so than the Law + Gal 6.2

It is best to avoid that question because those new in Christ are easily fooled into thinking OT Law some how, some way, must still apply to them. It does not. And then it becomes Salvation + Circumcision (The Law). And then people doubt their Eternal Salvation.

So if one wants to muddy the waters around Eternal Salvation, then yes, bring up 'the law' as a relevant discussion point.

Not being under 'the law' is irrelevant to Greesy Grace. Where one sins as they please because sinning actually brings you closer to God. Beleiveing that one can sin as much as they want is not answer by 'the law'.

Peace and Blessings
We will clearly see the answer at the end...
Revelation 22:14
Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
 
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