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I said I’d start a thread about UFOs so here it is. The news reported recently that there definitely are UFOs which can’t be explained. Not saying they’re aliens, but they don’t know what they are. What do you all think of UFOs?
a lot of Christians think ufos are demons, as if to say anything unknown is only spiritual and couldn't possibly be that God created other beings besides ourselves. I believe based on a Christians testimony where someone died and asked Jesus questions before he was revived, by Jesus, about UFO's. I talked about this on a thread i made years ago here, and the video of the testimony of Howard Storm is:

Where Jesus said He created other beings and to not concern yourself with aliens as just like humans there are good and bad aliens as there are good and bad humans.

Some might disregard this testimony and say if it's not in The Bible then it doesn't exist but the problem with that is "Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written." John 21:25

If the world couldn't contain with books everything Jesus ever did who are we to say if Jesus talked to someone who died and came back to life? Use discernment and if the testimony contradicts scripture that's one thing. But if it doesn't why cover your ears and eyes?
 
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do you have a bible verse for that.
Not particularly. I believe my position is supported by the bible though. Stars represent angels and they reside in the second heaven above the air of earth. Daniel 12:3 says the righteous will shine like the stars in heaven. Which seems to indicate that events take place in the higher atmosphere. Also, in Revelation it states that the Dragon swept 1/3 of th3 stars from heaven down to earth. This is where we get the notion that 1/3 of the angels rebelled.
 
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Just govt propaganda that will amount to a NOTHING burger & is being done to distract from other things, like a failing Ukraine offensive etc.
See Dr. Hugh Ross' teaching on UFOs.
 
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I said I’d start a thread about UFOs so here it is. The news reported recently that there definitely are UFOs which can’t be explained. Not saying they’re aliens, but they don’t know what they are. What do you all think of UFOs?
Its a huge problem.


July 2023 Testimony to Congress regarding UFOS


In Exodus the "magicians" throw down their sticks and those sticks become serpents.
But we know that had to be an illusion since only God can create life and even the devil himself knows it as we see in Matt 4 when satan tells Jesus that if a turns stone into bread it will prove He is the Son of God (prove he is deity, God in human flesh).

So this is a false flag done in the worst case by demons (when not simply a reuse done by other humans). Demons are master magicians, master illusionists with far more capability to deceive than a magician on a stage.''

In Hebrews chapter 1 and chapter 11 we are told that Jesus "made the WORLDS" - but we are also told that this is the only world that has sin, and is the only place where Jesus came to die to redeem this lost world. The other worlds are sinless and certainly are NOT coming here and crashing and dying on our planet!

 
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a lot of Christians think ufos are demons, as if to say anything unknown is only spiritual and couldn't possibly be that God created other beings besides ourselves

ITs more correctly the case that ufos are demons - but that God most certainly did create "the Worlds" Heb 1, Heb 11 not just our world. However we are the only sinful world - and there are no sinless beings crashing to death on our planet. All of that is a fake narrative that demons are spinning just as they tried to make the people in Egypt believe that the magicians in Egypt could turn sticks into snakes.
 
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Its a huge problem.

In Exodus the "magicians" throw down their sticks and those sticks become serpents.
But we know that had to be an illusion since only God can create life and even the devil himself knows it as we see in Matt 4 when satan tells Jesus that if a turns stone into bread it will prove He is the Son of God (prove he is deity, God in human flesh).

So this is a false flag done in the worst case by demons (when not simply a reuse done by other humans). Demons are master magicians, master illusionists with far more capability to deceive than a magician on a stage.''

In Hebrews chapter 1 and chapter 11 we are told that Jesus "made the WORLDS" - but we are also told that this is the only world that has sin, and is the only place where Jesus came to die to redeem this lost world. The other worlds are sinless and certainly are NOT coming here and crashing and dying on our planet!
According to Dr. Hugh Ross, who has a PhD in Astrophysics and who has spent over 20 years studying the universe, along with his secular peers in the field of Astronomy, after studying all the star systems and planets discovered to date, none of them have equalled the essential components for supporting life. He also says that our milky way galaxy is unique among the other galaxies in our immediate cluster. What this means is that our planet is unique in the universe in its position in the solar system, the nature of our sun, which has the most stable luminosity among all the other stars studied. All this is not just his opinion, but that of all the other astronomers in his field of expertise. He says that the whole universe of stars and galaxies has been designed to support our planet, and if anything is just a little out of place in the universe, our planet would not be able to support life.
 
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According to Dr. Hugh Ross, who has a PhD in Astrophysics and who has spent over 20 years studying the universe, along with his secular peers in the field of Astronomy, after studying all the star systems and planets discovered to date, none of them have equalled the essential components for supporting life. He also says that our milky way galaxy is unique among the other galaxies in our immediate cluster. What this means is that our planet is unique in the universe in its position in the solar system, the nature of our sun, which has the most stable luminosity among all the other stars studied. All this is not just his opinion, but that of all the other astronomers in his field of expertise. He says that the whole universe of stars and galaxies has been designed to support our planet, and if anything is just a little out of place in the universe, our planet would not be able to support life.
Earth is the center of the universe
 
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Not particularly. I believe my position is supported by the bible though. Stars represent angels and they reside in the second heaven above the air of earth. Daniel 12:3 says the righteous will shine like the stars in heaven. Which seems to indicate that events take place in the higher atmosphere. Also, in Revelation it states that the Dragon swept 1/3 of th3 stars from heaven down to earth. This is where we get the notion that 1/3 of the angels rebelled.
i am familure with all those, passages. but none of them say ufo's are fallen angels. they say star's represent angels. some faithful, some fallen.

I look at thing like the Enoch, Elijah, the angels to the Shepard's they looked like stars. The clouds "he is coming with clouds, why clouds? The disciples saw clouds at Jesus, accencion and the angles said he would "come in like manner". What are the clouds? are they a ships or craft that looks like clouds? how. The angels look like Stars. Moses saw a pillar of fire by night and a could by day. was that the exaust of the fuel of the craft. Moses went on the mountian to meet with God and being came out standing on Lapis Lazuli, a craft with blue stone. the you have Samson's father talking to some being that flew away, and Jacob had a vision of a gate with a ladder to heaven. then you have Jesus transfoming into a being of light. see Elijah and Moses who teleportated in. the Watchers so that is what I look at. does any of the encounters we are having look like that? or similar.
 
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i am familure with all those, passages. but none of them say ufo's are fallen angels. they say star's represent angels. some faithful, some fallen
Okay. What do you think UFOs are?
 
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According to Dr. Hugh Ross, who has a PhD in Astrophysics and who has spent over 20 years studying the universe, along with his secular peers in the field of Astronomy, after studying all the star systems and planets discovered to date, none of them have equalled the essential components for supporting life.

Sadly - his survey of the universe falls far short of being "complete" or comprehensive or compelling.

The Webb Space Telescope is just now giving us clearer pictures of distant galaxies showing them to be a fully developed as is our own but even it cannot give us a view of any planet in the distant galaxies.

Our present technology can't even give us a view of every planet in this one galaxy.

So at this point I think Heb 1 and Heb 11 are more reliable sources than Ross. And almost all of his work is ancient at this time.

He also says that our milky way galaxy is unique among the other galaxies in our immediate cluster.
He can't even see any of the planets in the galaxies of our immediate cluster -- and what is more - can't see all the planets in our own galaxy.
What this means is that our planet is unique in the universe
As I said Ross does not have the data for the universe in fact he does not even have a good survey of planets in our own galaxy.
 
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Okay. What do you think UFOs are?
did you read my previous posts. please read it. I look at what the bible says and see if there are any comparisions. if it matches it or is similar in nature. i consider it, it might be a similar thing, but i don't make a full committment, because I don't know for sure. that is the thing people have to becareful about, until you know for sure, which means you have direct observable evidence you cannot say you for sure what it is.
 
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Earth is the center of the universe
That's pretty funny!

I assume you are talking about the effect of "inflation" in the universe where every planet views itself as the center due to cosmic inflation
 
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did you read my previous posts. please read it. I look at what the bible says and see if there are any comparisions. if it matches it or is similar in nature. i consider it, it might be a similar thing, but i don't make a full committment, because I don't know for sure. that is the thing people have to becareful about, until you know for sure, which means you have direct observable evidence you cannot say you for sure what it is.
That's kind of a nonanswer. There are many things that aren't in the bible. Your response leaves no room for faith if you demand evidence for absolutely everything. There's nothing wrong with postulating on the subject either. I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for proof about aliens or UFOs or whatever, considering the idea of them has been around for at least 80 years now and no further proof has been discovered. If we look at Ezekiel we can see examples of UFOs in that book for example. And that UFO is apparently angelic.
 
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That's pretty funny!

I assume you are talking about the effect of "inflation" in the universe where every planet views itself as the center due to cosmic inflation
No, I'm quite serious. I believe we are the center of this universe's attention, if not physically in the center of this known universe altogether.
 
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ITs more correctly the case that ufos are demons - but that God most certainly did create "the Worlds" Heb 1, Heb 11 not just our world. However we are the only sinful world - and there are no sinless beings crashing to death on our planet. All of that is a fake narrative that demons are spinning just as they tried to make the people in Egypt believe that the magicians in Egypt could turn sticks into snakes.
where did i say other beings are sinless?
 
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That's kind of a nonanswer.
explain this? it is not clear
There are many things that aren't in the bible.
but you asked me about the bible.
Your response leaves no room for faith if you demand evidence for absolutely everything.
that is not biblical faith. what you are talking about is wishful thinking, fantasy, presumption and fairy tales. Faith is believing God and His word, when others don't. So if His word says there are other beings in the universe and they sometimes use craft then OK. i will use that to evaluate what we are observing and specualate based on that.
There's nothing wrong with postulating on the subject either. I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for proof about aliens or UFOs or whatever, considering the idea of them has been around for at least 80 years now and no further proof has been discovered. If we look at Ezekiel we can see examples of UFOs in that book for example. And that UFO is apparently angelic.
ok you do that.
 
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Sadly - his survey of the universe falls far short of being "complete" or comprehensive or compelling.

The Webb Space Telescope is just now giving us clearer pictures of distant galaxies showing them to be a fully developed as is our own but even it cannot give us a view of any planet in the distant galaxies.

Our present technology can't even give us a view of every planet in this one galaxy.

So at this point I think Heb 1 and Heb 11 are more reliable sources than Ross. And almost all of his work is ancient at this time.


He can't even see any of the planets in the galaxies of our immediate cluster -- and what is more - can't see all the planets in our own galaxy.

As I said Ross does not have the data for the universe in fact he does not even have a good survey of planets in our own galaxy.
Seeing that he is constantly interacting with the world's foremost Astrophysicists and Astronomers and has access to all the data that they have collected, I would doubt your comment that he doesn't have enough data concerning the universe to make his theories viable. He has not only interacted with Christian scientists, but has comprehensive interaction with Evolutionists, atheists, and skeptics as well. I think that he is well known to be the most informed Christian scientist of this generation.
 
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I've often dealt with evil spirits trying to attack me many times in my life. They sometimes manifest "physically", in that they affect physical objects like "auto-kinesis", with other witnesses.

I've also encountered beings that apparently look like the mainstream aliens when I was a child. I never saw their craft but somehow, they made our house shake in the middle of our neighborhood late at night and we heard a loud noise that sounded like a big, powerful tornado. My sister saw what was happening as well.

The most curious thing, we heard the neighbor's dogs barking but nobody else awoke. Not the neighbors, except their dogs. Not even our parents in the next room as if this being targeted me and my sister specifically.

I felt strong "negative energy" coming from this being. I also felt the same thing when I encounter evil spirits.

When I encountered God in dreams or probably an angel as a very young child, I felt a different but similar energy. But this energy is way more powerful and overwhelming. It wasn't a pleasant feeling. It was scary. It probably feels like a billion volts of electricity surging through your mind. If it can be described. Not exactly like being "showered by good and pleasant feelings of love" as modern Christians describe it. I think it's more like how many characters in the Bible describe meeting the Lord or an angel. They were scared.

My experiences still does not establish a fact that aliens and fallen angels are the same. Eventually, I evolved to "feed" on their energies and use their energy against them to cast them out. It's all instinctive. From many attacks throughout my life, my brain just learned to put up defenses against it. And I'm still 100% human being.

My point is that it may be entirely possible for a physical being to advance in technology or evolve to a point, they can manipulate spiritual energies. The spiritual dimension could be the pinnacle of technological and biological evolution. Aliens could be harnessing untold energies from the spiritual dimension through technology or certain evolved abilities but doesn't make them a fallen angel or angel. But still entirely possible a biological alien might be working with fallen angels or even with Lord.

It's really not that easy to tell apart which ones are good and which ones are bad. We've been living a lie our whole lives. Most people really have the wrong concept of what is good and what is evil that's why when people try to solve a problem, the consequences are worse than the problem they're trying to solve in the first place.
 
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According to Dr. Hugh Ross, who has a PhD in Astrophysics and who has spent over 20 years studying the universe, along with his secular peers in the field of Astronomy, after studying all the star systems and planets discovered to date, none of them have equalled the essential components for supporting life. He also says that our milky way galaxy is unique among the other galaxies in our immediate cluster. What this means is that our planet is unique in the universe in its position in the solar system, the nature of our sun, which has the most stable luminosity among all the other stars studied. All this is not just his opinion, but that of all the other astronomers in his field of expertise. He says that the whole universe of stars and galaxies has been designed to support our planet, and if anything is just a little out of place in the universe, our planet would not be able to support life.
What about the mainstream science, then?

 
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I've often dealt with evil spirits trying to attack me many times in my life. They sometimes manifest "physically", in that they affect physical objects like "auto-kinesis", with other witnesses.

I've also encountered beings that apparently look like the mainstream aliens when I was a child. I never saw their craft but somehow, they made our house shake in the middle of our neighborhood late at night and we heard a loud noise that sounded like a big, powerful tornado. My sister saw what was happening as well.

The most curious thing, we heard the neighbor's dogs barking but nobody else awoke. Not the neighbors, except their dogs. Not even our parents in the next room as if this being targeted me and my sister specifically.

I felt strong "negative energy" coming from this being. I also felt the same thing when I encounter evil spirits.

When I encountered God in dreams or probably an angel as a very young child, I felt a different but similar energy. But this energy is way more powerful and overwhelming. It wasn't a pleasant feeling. It was scary. It probably feels like a billion volts of electricity surging through your mind. If it can be described. Not exactly like being "showered by good and pleasant feelings of love" as modern Christians describe it. I think it's more like how many characters in the Bible describe meeting the Lord or an angel. They were scared.

My experiences still does not establish a fact that aliens and fallen angels are the same. Eventually, I evolved to "feed" on their energies and use their energy against them to cast them out. It's all instinctive. From many attacks throughout my life, my brain just learned to put up defenses against it. And I'm still 100% human being.

My point is that it may be entirely possible for a physical being to advance in technology or evolve to a point, they can manipulate spiritual energies. The spiritual dimension could be the pinnacle of technological and biological evolution. Aliens could be harnessing untold energies from the spiritual dimension through technology or certain evolved abilities but doesn't make them a fallen angel or angel. But still entirely possible a biological alien might be working with fallen angels or even with Lord.

It's really not that easy to tell apart which ones are good and which ones are bad. We've been living a lie our whole lives. Most people really have the wrong concept of what is good and what is evil that's why when people try to solve a problem, the consequences are worse than the problem they're trying to solve in the first place.
The question I would have about that is - if you have never been actively involved in the occult at any stage of your life, have anyone related or close to you involved in the occult?

It is interesting that although UFOs have crashed into the earth, they have discovered the craters, but no trace of any bodies or debris. If an aircraft had crashed, there would be debris all over the place. Also, with the objects moving at high speed through the atmosphere, there is no sign of sonic booms or surface heat causing a glow. When the space shuttle entered the atmosphere, a bright red glow appeared at its front through atmospheric tension.

What this shows is that these objects don't contain any biological beings, and the UFOs themselves are not physical. Therefore they don't originate in our space time dimension. They enter from a dimension outside it. We know that angelic beings can come from outside our space time dimension, but we can't go there. We also know that righteous angels are there to support the redemption of mankind, and so the only alternative is that they have to be unrighteous spiritual beings.

The research shows that many who have had close encounters with UFOs, have had terrifying nightmares as a result. This shows that there is a distinct connection between UFOs and the occult.

Now, having said that, research has shown that 99% of UFO sightings have been either hoaxes, planet Venus, star groups rising over the horizon, or reflected lights from buildings. But there is a 1% which are real, and it is these that we are talking about that people have seen and encountered.

Close Encounter 1 is contact with a UFO within 500 metres.
Close Encounter 2 is contact involving a message
Close Encounter 3 involves actual beings.
Close Encounter 4 results in damage, injury and death.

These encounter levels are the result of the conclusions of the foremost UFO researchers in the scientific community.

You don't have to believe me. You can do you own research to establish whether what I am saying has value.
 
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