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Israel Has No Part In Closing events!!!



Two Different Covenants
Many Christians believe that salvation’s prerequisites change from dispensation to dispensation. In other words, advocates of dispensationalism believe that a person is saved in different ways at different times throughout history. The Bible teaches that salvation from Genesis through Revelation always comes through faith. Hebrews 11 (New Testament) obviously indicates that salvation came through faith during Old Testament times.


In fact, the Bible teaches that faith in God (a willful submission to the call and will of God) was necessary in Heaven before sin began and I believe that faith in God will be necessary throughout eternity. Lucifer and one third of the angels were cast out of Heaven because they refused to trust God.

Adam and Eve sinned because they did not trust God. God’s children, whether fallen or unfallen, sinful or sinless, are called to live a life of faith. Absolute trust in God is the only way finite beings can live with an infinite God “whose ways are not our ways.” (Isaiah 55:9)

Abraham had a heart for God. When God called Abraham to leave his home, the Bible says that by faith Abraham “went out, not knowing whither he went.” (KJV, Hebrews 11:8) Abraham’s departure from home required a lot of faith in God and the Bible states that God counted Abraham as a righteous man because of his faith! (Genesis 15:6) In other words, because of Abraham’s faith, God considered him a saint instead of the sinner he actually was. (Romans 1:17; 4:16; Galatians 3:9) Remember, this happened before God made a covenant with the nation of Israel. Because Abraham humbly walked with God (lived in harmony with God’s calling and will), Jesus honored Abraham’s faith by making three unconditional promises to him. First, Jesus promised to give Abraham’s descendants the land of Canaan. (Genesis 15:18) Second, Jesus promised a childless Abraham that his descendants would someday be as numerous as the stars in the sky. (Genesis 15:5) Third, Jesus promised Abraham that all nations would be blessed through him. (Genesis 18:18)

About four hundred years after making these promises, Jesus miraculously delivered Abraham’s descendants from Egyptian slavery and took them into the desert to prepare them for service. These slaves were the descendants of Jacob, the grandson of Abraham, whose name had been changed to Israel because of his faith in God. At Mount Sinai Jesus entered into a covenant with the nation of Israel. It is important to understand that God’s covenant with the nation of Israel was not for the purpose of salvation. God does not save people in groups. Salvation is an intimate, personal matter. Salvation comes to one person at a time when he surrenders his life to God’s control (lives by faith).

The covenant that God offered the nation of Israel was that of serving as trustees of His gospel. From the beginning of sin, the plan of salvation has operated as a living trust. A living trust has three elements: A benefactor, one or more trustees, and one or more beneficiaries. In a living trust, the benefactor chooses trustees to deliver his benefits to his beneficiaries. Prior to Mount Sinai, the patriarchs were the trustees of the gospel. They spoke for God and the gospel they preached contained important information that was otherwise unknown. After God dispersed humanity at the Tower of Babel and nations formed, He decided to use one nation to reach all the other nations. So, God the Benefactor chose Israel as a trustee through which He would bless all nations (beneficiaries).

The wonderful thing about the eternal gospel is that whosoever will may come and enjoy the benefits of God’s salvation. As the Creator of mankind, God is not exclusive; instead, He is inclusive. At Mount Sinai the nation of Israel agreed to do whatever the Lord commanded. (Exodus 24:3) It is most important to understand the nature and structure of God’s covenant because God’s covenant with Israel was conditional from the beginning. Look at two passages (there are many) from the Old Testament showing that the covenant between God and the nation of Israel was conditional:

1. “Then Moses went up to God, and the Lord called to him from the mountain and said, This is what you are to say to the house of Jacob and what you are to tell the people of Israel: You yourselves have seen what I did to Egypt, and how I carried you on eagles wings and brought you to myself. Now if you obey me fully and keep my covenant, then out of all nations you will be my treasured possession. Although the whole earth is mine, you will be for me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation. These are the words you are to speak to the Israelites.” (Exodus 19:3–6, italics mine)

2. “If you fully obey the Lord your God and carefully follow all his commands I give you today, the Lord your God will set you high above all the nations on earth. . . . However, if you do not obey the Lord your God and do not carefully follow all his commands and decrees I am giving you today, all these curses will come upon you and overtake you.” (Deuteronomy 28:1,15, italics mine)

Fifteen hundred years after establishing His covenant with Israel at Mount Sinai, Jesus came to Earth as the Messiah. The very nation (Acts 3:15) that He had chosen to be His representative on Earth rejected and killed Him. “He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him.” (John 1:11; Luke 20:9-16) The Old Testament is unmistakably clear! For 15 centuries, God did everything possible to get Israel to fulfill His objectives, but Israel rebelled at every turn. (Ezekiel 23, Romans 11:20–21) Israel’s rejection of Jesus as the Messiah was “the straw that broke the camel’s back.” The eternal gospel of Jesus could not be given to the world by a rebellious group of trustees. How could Israel teach the world about faith in God when a majority of people in Israel refused to live by faith? So, Jesus, the Benefactor, terminated His covenant with the nation of Israel by pronouncing this benediction: “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often [over the past 1,500 years] I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing. Look, your house [your nation] is left to you desolate [of God’s covenant, blessings and presence]. For I tell you, you will not see me [extending grace to this house ever] again until you [are forced by overwhelming circumstances to] say, Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord [at the Second Coming*].” (Matthew 23:37–39, insertions and italics mine, *See Matthew 26:64 and Revelation 1:7.)

A few days after Jesus terminated His covenant with the nation of Israel, He implemented a New Covenant (Luke 22:20) because Jesus wants the benefits of His gospel to go throughout the whole Earth. Now, the New Covenant differs from the Old Covenant in two critical ways.

First, instead of choosing a nation of people to serve as trustees of the gospel, the New Covenant opens the door and allows “whosoever will” to become a trustee of the gospel. In the New Covenant, there is neither Jew nor Gentile, male nor female (these distinctions had been important in the Old Covenant). (Romans 10:12)

Under the New Covenant, God approves every sinner who chooses to live by faith to serve as a trustee of the gospel of Jesus. Said another way, the Old Covenant pertained to a selected group of trustees, but the New Covenant pertains to a self-selecting group of trustees. One could also say that after Israel failed (Plan A), God created even a better covenant for those who would choose to participate in Plan B. (Romans 11:15, Hebrews 8:6) Keep in mind that a new covenant was required when the covenant with Israel was terminated because the plan of salvation operates as a living trust there is a Benefactor, trustees, and beneficiaries.

The second difference between the Old Covenant and New Covenant is profoundly important: The two covenants have different laws, different promises and different prophecies. Mixing or merging the terms and conditions of these two covenants will produce disastrous results. Millions of Protestants are hopelessly confused about Bible prophecy (including what will occur during the Great Tribulation) because pastors and theologians are mixing and merging the terms and conditions of the two covenants.

The prophecies and promises given to ancient Israel under the Old Covenant will not be fulfilled because God terminated that covenant with the nation of Israel. Even though God abandoned the nation of Israel as trustees, any Jew who surrenders to the gospel of Christ by faith in Him can receive salvation because the New Covenant does not distinguish between Jews and Gentiles. (Early Jewish converts understood this concept well. See Romans 11:23.)

Consider this: The Old Covenant does not say one word about the Second Coming because everything in the Old Covenant centers around the First Coming which was supposed to be the only coming! Had Israel been faithful to the terms and conditions of the Old Covenant, there would not be a Second Coming. Jesus would not have returned to Heaven and He would have established His kingdom on Earth just as John the Baptist predicted! (Mark 1:15)

Everything promised and prophesied in the Old Testament would have been fulfilled just as it was written in the Old Covenant if Israel had remained faithful as trustees and had accepted Jesus Christ as Messiah. The past 2,000 years of Earth’s history would be entirely different than we now know it if Israel had met the terms and conditions of the Old Covenant. Sadly, the Old Covenant had to be terminated because Israel persistently refused to cooperate with God and accomplish His objectives. Therefore, God made a New Covenant for those who are faithful to Him.

Israel Redefined Not Displaced
Given this discussion on the two covenants, you may be wondering what all of this has to do with modern Israel and the end of the world. Here is the point: When Jesus initiated the New Covenant, He created a self-selecting group of trustees who would choose to live by faith.

You might be surprised to learn that Jesus’ new trustees are also called “Israel” because He made three unconditional promises to Abraham. To fulfill these unconditional promises, Jesus had to redefine Israel; that is, Jesus redefined the “heirs of Abraham.” Consider this verse: “If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed [the Greek word for seed is sperma], and [therefore] heirs according to the promise [that will be fulfilled at the appointed time].” (Galatians 3:29, insertion mine) “It is not as though God’s word had failed [when He established the New Covenant].

For not all who are descended from Israel
[Jacob] are [part of] Israel. Nor because they are his descendants are they all Abraham’s children. On the contrary, [biology means little to God. Faith means everything to God. This is why God said to Abraham] It is through Isaac [the son who was promised to you and Sarah, not Ishmael] that your offspring will be reckoned. In other words, it is not the natural [biological] children who are God’s children, but it is the children of the promise [like Isaac, those who live by faith] who are regarded as Abraham’s offspring.” (Romans 9:6–8, insertions mine)

The Apostle James knew that Israel had been redefined because he calls the believers in Christ the twelve tribes of Israel. (See James 1:1 and 2:1.) Of course, current saints do not know which tribe is theirs, but this information will be clarified when the time comes for them to enter the Holy City.

(By the way, no one belonging to the Jewish race today knows their biological tribe of origin either. The Roman army destroyed all of Israel’s genealogical records in the first century A.D.) So, biological origin, temple services, sacrificial offerings, circumcision, and all of the Old Covenant terms and conditions mean nothing to God today. (Galatians 2–4, Romans 2:28–29, Hebrews 7–10) God has terminated the Old Covenant, with its promises and prophecies, and has declared it null and void because there is a New Covenant, a new group of trustees and new promises and prophecies.

Because the twelve tribes have been redefined, the 144,000 will come from all nations and religions. They are identified as the “twelve tribes” of Israel in Revelation 7 because the 144,000 will be people who have faith in God, just like Abraham and Jacob (also called Israel).

These people will love God with all their heart, mind and soul as Abraham and Jacob did. Carefully study this passage and notice how Jesus defines the issue of ancestry: “Abraham is our father, they answered. If you were Abraham’s children, said Jesus, then you would do the things Abraham did. As it is, you are determined to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God. Abraham did not do such things. . . . You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desire.” (John 8:39–44)

If our behavior reflects the faith of Abraham, God considers us children and heirs of Abraham. If our behavior reflects the rebellion of the devil, God considers us children of the devil.

Throughout the ages, the saints of God have been tested with persecution and the same holds true for the Great Tribulation. (Revelation 3:9; 12:17; 13:7) The Great Tribulation will separate people of faith from people of rebellion. Thus, in the end, all Israel will be saved (Romans 11:26) because the Israel of God (the descendants of Abraham) consists only of people who have a faith in God like Abraham and Jacob.

When the Israel of God goes marching into New Jerusalem at the Second Coming, the twelve tribes will enter through their respective gates! (Revelation 21:12) Think about that glorious day! When the time arrives for all of Abraham’s children to enter into the Holy City, twelve great processions will form, and after marching through those pearly gates, a numberless group of “Jews” will gather around the throne of God and together as one man, they will bow down before Jesus, the Messiah, the eternal King of the Jews. (Mark 15:2, John 19:19–22)

A thousand years later, when the Holy City comes down from God out of Heaven and lands on Earth, the three unconditional promises made to Abraham will THEN be fulfilled. (1) The Holy City will physically encompass all of the land that was promised to the patriarch.

Abraham’s descendants will possess the land, and the Holy City will be their home throughout eternity. Incidentally, the Holy City, built by God Himself, is the city that Abraham anticipated. (Hebrews 11:10) (2) When the saints of all ages are gathered around God’s throne, Abraham’s heirs will be as numberless as the stars in the sky. They will come from all nations and religious backgrounds, and a “once childless” Abraham will rejoice as he looks over that vast throng.

Among the redeemed, Abraham will be known as “the father of the faithful.” (3) Last, there will be endless rejoicing throughout Heaven at the end of sin’s drama because the redeemed will realize that all nations were truly blessed with the gift of salvation through Abraham’s seed.

Jesus, the Lamb of God and the Lion from the tribe of Judah, will be eternally praised to the highest Heavens for the salvation that He so generously provided to all who were willing to live by faith. Thus, the three unconditional promises given to Abraham will be fulfilled.

The salient point is that in this marvelous drama, the modern nation of Israel is not in the picture. The establishment of modern Israel is no different than the recent establishment of Serbia. Neither event is prophetically significant.
 

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Two Different Covenants
Many Christians believe that salvation’s prerequisites change from dispensation to dispensation. In other words, advocates of dispensationalism believe that a person is saved in different ways at different times throughout history. The Bible teaches that salvation from Genesis through Revelation always comes through faith. Hebrews 11 (New Testament) obviously indicates that salvation came through faith during Old Testament times.


In fact, the Bible teaches that faith in God (a willful submission to the call and will of God) was necessary in Heaven before sin began and I believe that faith in God will be necessary throughout eternity. Lucifer and one third of the angels were cast out of Heaven because they refused to trust God.

Adam and Eve sinned because they did not trust God. God’s children, whether fallen or unfallen, sinful or sinless, are called to live a life of faith. Absolute trust in God is the only way finite beings can live with an infinite God “whose ways are not our ways.” (Isaiah 55:9)

Abraham had a heart for God. When God called Abraham to leave his home, the Bible says that by faith Abraham “went out, not knowing whither he went.” (KJV, Hebrews 11:8) Abraham’s departure from home required a lot of faith in God and the Bible states that God counted Abraham as a righteous man because of his faith! (Genesis 15:6) In other words, because of Abraham’s faith, God considered him a saint instead of the sinner he actually was. (Romans 1:17; 4:16; Galatians 3:9) Remember, this happened before God made a covenant with the nation of Israel. Because Abraham humbly walked with God (lived in harmony with God’s calling and will), Jesus honored Abraham’s faith by making three unconditional promises to him. First, Jesus promised to give Abraham’s descendants the land of Canaan. (Genesis 15:18) Second, Jesus promised a childless Abraham that his descendants would someday be as numerous as the stars in the sky. (Genesis 15:5) Third, Jesus promised Abraham that all nations would be blessed through him. (Genesis 18:18)

About four hundred years after making these promises, Jesus miraculously delivered Abraham’s descendants from Egyptian slavery and took them into the desert to prepare them for service. These slaves were the descendants of Jacob, the grandson of Abraham, whose name had been changed to Israel because of his faith in God. At Mount Sinai Jesus entered into a covenant with the nation of Israel. It is important to understand that God’s covenant with the nation of Israel was not for the purpose of salvation. God does not save people in groups. Salvation is an intimate, personal matter. Salvation comes to one person at a time when he surrenders his life to God’s control (lives by faith).

The covenant that God offered the nation of Israel was that of serving as trustees of His gospel. From the beginning of sin, the plan of salvation has operated as a living trust. A living trust has three elements: A benefactor, one or more trustees, and one or more beneficiaries. In a living trust, the benefactor chooses trustees to deliver his benefits to his beneficiaries. Prior to Mount Sinai, the patriarchs were the trustees of the gospel. They spoke for God and the gospel they preached contained important information that was otherwise unknown. After God dispersed humanity at the Tower of Babel and nations formed, He decided to use one nation to reach all the other nations. So, God the Benefactor chose Israel as a trustee through which He would bless all nations (beneficiaries).

The wonderful thing about the eternal gospel is that whosoever will may come and enjoy the benefits of God’s salvation. As the Creator of mankind, God is not exclusive; instead, He is inclusive. At Mount Sinai the nation of Israel agreed to do whatever the Lord commanded. (Exodus 24:3) It is most important to understand the nature and structure of God’s covenant because God’s covenant with Israel was conditional from the beginning. Look at two passages (there are many) from the Old Testament showing that the covenant between God and the nation of Israel was conditional:

1. “Then Moses went up to God, and the Lord called to him from the mountain and said, This is what you are to say to the house of Jacob and what you are to tell the people of Israel: You yourselves have seen what I did to Egypt, and how I carried you on eagles wings and brought you to myself. Now if you obey me fully and keep my covenant, then out of all nations you will be my treasured possession. Although the whole earth is mine, you will be for me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation. These are the words you are to speak to the Israelites.” (Exodus 19:3–6, italics mine)

2. “If you fully obey the Lord your God and carefully follow all his commands I give you today, the Lord your God will set you high above all the nations on earth. . . . However, if you do not obey the Lord your God and do not carefully follow all his commands and decrees I am giving you today, all these curses will come upon you and overtake you.” (Deuteronomy 28:1,15, italics mine)

Fifteen hundred years after establishing His covenant with Israel at Mount Sinai, Jesus came to Earth as the Messiah. The very nation (Acts 3:15) that He had chosen to be His representative on Earth rejected and killed Him. “He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him.” (John 1:11; Luke 20:9-16) The Old Testament is unmistakably clear! For 15 centuries, God did everything possible to get Israel to fulfill His objectives, but Israel rebelled at every turn. (Ezekiel 23, Romans 11:20–21) Israel’s rejection of Jesus as the Messiah was “the straw that broke the camel’s back.” The eternal gospel of Jesus could not be given to the world by a rebellious group of trustees. How could Israel teach the world about faith in God when a majority of people in Israel refused to live by faith? So, Jesus, the Benefactor, terminated His covenant with the nation of Israel by pronouncing this benediction: “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often [over the past 1,500 years] I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing. Look, your house [your nation] is left to you desolate [of God’s covenant, blessings and presence]. For I tell you, you will not see me [extending grace to this house ever] again until you [are forced by overwhelming circumstances to] say, Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord [at the Second Coming*].” (Matthew 23:37–39, insertions and italics mine, *See Matthew 26:64 and Revelation 1:7.)

A few days after Jesus terminated His covenant with the nation of Israel, He implemented a New Covenant (Luke 22:20) because Jesus wants the benefits of His gospel to go throughout the whole Earth. Now, the New Covenant differs from the Old Covenant in two critical ways.

First, instead of choosing a nation of people to serve as trustees of the gospel, the New Covenant opens the door and allows “whosoever will” to become a trustee of the gospel. In the New Covenant, there is neither Jew nor Gentile, male nor female (these distinctions had been important in the Old Covenant). (Romans 10:12)

Under the New Covenant, God approves every sinner who chooses to live by faith to serve as a trustee of the gospel of Jesus. Said another way, the Old Covenant pertained to a selected group of trustees, but the New Covenant pertains to a self-selecting group of trustees. One could also say that after Israel failed (Plan A), God created even a better covenant for those who would choose to participate in Plan B. (Romans 11:15, Hebrews 8:6) Keep in mind that a new covenant was required when the covenant with Israel was terminated because the plan of salvation operates as a living trust there is a Benefactor, trustees, and beneficiaries.

The second difference between the Old Covenant and New Covenant is profoundly important: The two covenants have different laws, different promises and different prophecies. Mixing or merging the terms and conditions of these two covenants will produce disastrous results. Millions of Protestants are hopelessly confused about Bible prophecy (including what will occur during the Great Tribulation) because pastors and theologians are mixing and merging the terms and conditions of the two covenants.

The prophecies and promises given to ancient Israel under the Old Covenant will not be fulfilled because God terminated that covenant with the nation of Israel. Even though God abandoned the nation of Israel as trustees, any Jew who surrenders to the gospel of Christ by faith in Him can receive salvation because the New Covenant does not distinguish between Jews and Gentiles. (Early Jewish converts understood this concept well. See Romans 11:23.)

Consider this: The Old Covenant does not say one word about the Second Coming because everything in the Old Covenant centers around the First Coming which was supposed to be the only coming! Had Israel been faithful to the terms and conditions of the Old Covenant, there would not be a Second Coming. Jesus would not have returned to Heaven and He would have established His kingdom on Earth just as John the Baptist predicted! (Mark 1:15)

Everything promised and prophesied in the Old Testament would have been fulfilled just as it was written in the Old Covenant if Israel had remained faithful as trustees and had accepted Jesus Christ as Messiah. The past 2,000 years of Earth’s history would be entirely different than we now know it if Israel had met the terms and conditions of the Old Covenant. Sadly, the Old Covenant had to be terminated because Israel persistently refused to cooperate with God and accomplish His objectives. Therefore, God made a New Covenant for those who are faithful to Him.

Israel Redefined Not Displaced
Given this discussion on the two covenants, you may be wondering what all of this has to do with modern Israel and the end of the world. Here is the point: When Jesus initiated the New Covenant, He created a self-selecting group of trustees who would choose to live by faith.

You might be surprised to learn that Jesus’ new trustees are also called “Israel” because He made three unconditional promises to Abraham. To fulfill these unconditional promises, Jesus had to redefine Israel; that is, Jesus redefined the “heirs of Abraham.” Consider this verse: “If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed [the Greek word for seed is sperma], and [therefore] heirs according to the promise [that will be fulfilled at the appointed time].” (Galatians 3:29, insertion mine) “It is not as though God’s word had failed [when He established the New Covenant].

For not all who are descended from Israel
[Jacob] are [part of] Israel. Nor because they are his descendants are they all Abraham’s children. On the contrary, [biology means little to God. Faith means everything to God. This is why God said to Abraham] It is through Isaac [the son who was promised to you and Sarah, not Ishmael] that your offspring will be reckoned. In other words, it is not the natural [biological] children who are God’s children, but it is the children of the promise [like Isaac, those who live by faith] who are regarded as Abraham’s offspring.” (Romans 9:6–8, insertions mine)

The Apostle James knew that Israel had been redefined because he calls the believers in Christ the twelve tribes of Israel. (See James 1:1 and 2:1.) Of course, current saints do not know which tribe is theirs, but this information will be clarified when the time comes for them to enter the Holy City.

(By the way, no one belonging to the Jewish race today knows their biological tribe of origin either. The Roman army destroyed all of Israel’s genealogical records in the first century A.D.) So, biological origin, temple services, sacrificial offerings, circumcision, and all of the Old Covenant terms and conditions mean nothing to God today. (Galatians 2–4, Romans 2:28–29, Hebrews 7–10) God has terminated the Old Covenant, with its promises and prophecies, and has declared it null and void because there is a New Covenant, a new group of trustees and new promises and prophecies.

Because the twelve tribes have been redefined, the 144,000 will come from all nations and religions. They are identified as the “twelve tribes” of Israel in Revelation 7 because the 144,000 will be people who have faith in God, just like Abraham and Jacob (also called Israel).

These people will love God with all their heart, mind and soul as Abraham and Jacob did. Carefully study this passage and notice how Jesus defines the issue of ancestry: “Abraham is our father, they answered. If you were Abraham’s children, said Jesus, then you would do the things Abraham did. As it is, you are determined to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God. Abraham did not do such things. . . . You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desire.” (John 8:39–44)

If our behavior reflects the faith of Abraham, God considers us children and heirs of Abraham. If our behavior reflects the rebellion of the devil, God considers us children of the devil.

Throughout the ages, the saints of God have been tested with persecution and the same holds true for the Great Tribulation. (Revelation 3:9; 12:17; 13:7) The Great Tribulation will separate people of faith from people of rebellion. Thus, in the end, all Israel will be saved (Romans 11:26) because the Israel of God (the descendants of Abraham) consists only of people who have a faith in God like Abraham and Jacob.

When the Israel of God goes marching into New Jerusalem at the Second Coming, the twelve tribes will enter through their respective gates! (Revelation 21:12) Think about that glorious day! When the time arrives for all of Abraham’s children to enter into the Holy City, twelve great processions will form, and after marching through those pearly gates, a numberless group of “Jews” will gather around the throne of God and together as one man, they will bow down before Jesus, the Messiah, the eternal King of the Jews. (Mark 15:2, John 19:19–22)

A thousand years later, when the Holy City comes down from God out of Heaven and lands on Earth, the three unconditional promises made to Abraham will THEN be fulfilled. (1) The Holy City will physically encompass all of the land that was promised to the patriarch.

Abraham’s descendants will possess the land, and the Holy City will be their home throughout eternity. Incidentally, the Holy City, built by God Himself, is the city that Abraham anticipated. (Hebrews 11:10) (2) When the saints of all ages are gathered around God’s throne, Abraham’s heirs will be as numberless as the stars in the sky. They will come from all nations and religious backgrounds, and a “once childless” Abraham will rejoice as he looks over that vast throng.

Among the redeemed, Abraham will be known as “the father of the faithful.” (3) Last, there will be endless rejoicing throughout Heaven at the end of sin’s drama because the redeemed will realize that all nations were truly blessed with the gift of salvation through Abraham’s seed.

Jesus, the Lamb of God and the Lion from the tribe of Judah, will be eternally praised to the highest Heavens for the salvation that He so generously provided to all who were willing to live by faith. Thus, the three unconditional promises given to Abraham will be fulfilled.

The salient point is that in this marvelous drama, the modern nation of Israel is not in the picture. The establishment of modern Israel is no different than the recent establishment of Serbia. Neither event is prophetically significant.
I’m amazed at how you don’t consider Yeshua literally setting His feet of His 2nd coming down in literal Israel… important.

Acts 1:6-7, Acts 1:10-12, Joel 3, Zechariah 14:1-4 … emphasis Acts 1:12 and Zechariah 14:4

I mean… is Jesus return not an important part of the end times?
 
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I’m amazed at how you don’t consider Yeshua literally setting His feet of His 2nd coming down in literal Israel… important.

Acts 1:6-7, Acts 1:10-12, Joel 3, Zechariah 14:1-4 … emphasis Acts 1:12 and Zechariah 14:4

I mean… is Jesus return not an important part of the end times?
Grip, in answer to your Zech. quote, I will repost a portion of post #1, read it through again because you are doing what so many others are doing which causes much confusion.

The second difference between the Old Covenant and New Covenant is profoundly important: The two covenants have different laws, different promises and different prophecies. Mixing or merging the terms and conditions of these two covenants will produce disastrous results. Millions of Protestants are hopelessly confused about Bible prophecy (including what will occur during the Great Tribulation) because pastors and theologians are mixing and merging the terms and conditions of the two covenants.

The prophecies and promises given to ancient Israel under the Old Covenant will not be fulfilled because God terminated that covenant with the nation of Israel. Even though God abandoned the nation of Israel as trustees, any Jew who surrenders to the gospel of Christ by faith in Him can receive salvation because the New Covenant does not distinguish between Jews and Gentiles. (Early Jewish converts understood this concept well. See Romans 11:23.)

Consider this: The Old Covenant does not say one word about the Second Coming because everything in the Old Covenant centers around the First Coming which was supposed to be the only coming! Had Israel been faithful to the terms and conditions of the Old Covenant, there would not be a Second Coming. Jesus would not have returned to Heaven and He would have established His kingdom on Earth just as John the Baptist predicted! (Mark 1:15)
Everything promised and prophesied in the Old Testament would have been fulfilled just as it was written in the Old Covenant (of which Zech. 14 is based) if Israel had remained faithful as trustees and had accepted Jesus Christ as Messiah. The past 2,000 years of Earth’s history would be entirely different than we now know it if Israel had met the terms and conditions of the Old Covenant. Sadly, the Old Covenant had to be terminated because Israel persistently refused to cooperate with God and accomplish His objectives. Therefore, God made a New Covenant for those who are faithful to Him.

This New Covenant went into effect at the stoning of Stephen, 3.5 yrs. after the death of Christ, the end of the seventy week of Dan. 9. The book of Acts 1, records Christ interactions with His disciples after His resurrection for forty days, before His return to heaven. The Old Covenant/ plan A, was still on the table, with 3.5 years left for the Nation of Israel to repent of their apostasy, and except that Christ was indeed the son of God.

See 1 Thess. 4:16,17, for how Christ will appear at His second coming, to gather His saints.​
 
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Grip, in answer to your Zech. quote, I will repost a portion of post #1, read it through again because you are doing what so many others are doing which causes much confusion.
No…. Those verses refer to national Israel, which now exists… again.

I read your write up and I believe that you have to suggest G-d has retracted His promises to literal Israel, IE Enemy of the Gospel Jews…

However, as you are doing which causes much confusion among people, is that you Ignore Romans 11 in its verbatim read.

I ask you… are Zechariah and Acts relevant?

Should we denounce the claim that “All” scripture is useful?
 
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Grip, in answer to your Zech. quote, I will repost a portion of post #1, read it through again because you are doing what so many others are doing which causes much confusion.
I wrote this in 2019 and submit it as a more stringent response to your perspective…

Tithe Base, University Funding, Theological Preference, Book Sales and Prophecy based sensationalism are contending with that which “Contend(s)(ed) with God” <~ Meaning of Israel.

Romans 9:1-Romans 11:36 lays a scriptural foundation to more clearly understand why the Second Coming of Christ is a much larger event than even Western Theology tends to understand.

Paul affirms this with a bread crumb found in Romans 11:25. Paul specifically reveals a Mystery that binds to Christ’s teachings.

Paul says: Until “the fullness of the Gentiles has come” in Romans 11:25, that Jesus actually shed Light on in Luke 21:24, and John 10:16

Supersession or “Replacement Theology” by slang, blinds people to the importance of National Israel to God. It also causes theological confusion that opens doors for Western Centric Theology and strips the Bible of some of it’s strongest physical evidence for being legitimately prophetic. It also opens the doors to movements like the “Millerite's” and Jehovah’s Witness “Coming of Christ” predictions that are spouted to gain followers, sensationalize the gospel and fill up church treasuries with finance.

The entire OT is about God and Israel, then the NT shows how God worked through Israel to bring the Body of Christ into being.

We know that the Body of Christ is Bone of God’s Bone, while Israel divorced itself from God, via it’s leadership of the days of Jesus walking among us.

Revelation speaks of Christ gathering the BOC and then Raising the dead to be judged to Light or Darkness.

Zechariah 14 hasn’t been fulfilled yet and for avid Jesus fans that wonder where He will “Touch Down” upon return, Acts 1 tells us exactly where, while Zechariah 14 immediately affirms the theological accuracy of this prophecy.

Thessalonians specifically has the entire BOC gathered to Jesus upon return, so Christ’s unfinished business on Earth, as He returns, with the BOC gathered, has nothing to do with “The BOC”.

What is His unfinished business? Israel and her people.

Verses that contain “Irrevocable” promises to Israel are hijacked by Western Supersession Theology to pertain to the BOC, but Prophecy, Theology are butchered horribly by this practice.

How do I know God’s Promises to National Israel are real and not contingent on Israel to the point of being “Irrevocable” per God’s GOOD character? Because Paul said so (Romans 11:29)

Praise God for all Gentiles that find shelter in the BOC and the Jews that find the BOC, too. Praise God for the people that proclaim the BOC Gospel to all people.

Rest assured, the Bible starts with Israel and ends with Israel.

The time of the Gentiles will come to fullness and be done. What comes next will be the conclusion to a Love story that covers thousands of years and has been on God’s heart. What comes next will be beyond anything that we can comprehend!

God isn’t done with Israel, yet!

The Body of Christ isn’t Israel. There will come a time when Israel joins the Body of Christ in fullness. That time hasn’t come, yet!

Any theology that says Christ has already returned, or gives a Day and Hour that He will return, or has failed at giving a Day and Hour that was said He would return; is Historically proven to be false.

Any theology that claims the BOC is Israel is clutching to ideas that are biblically proven to be false.

We, the BOC are a strange people, making Israel Jealous, but know that that Jealousy is born of Love that God cultivated, years past.

- This is my opinion
 
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Israel Has No Part In Closing events!!!



Two Different Covenants
Many Christians believe that salvation’s prerequisites change from dispensation to dispensation. In other words, advocates of dispensationalism believe that a person is saved in different ways at different times throughout history. The Bible teaches that salvation from Genesis through Revelation always comes through faith. Hebrews 11 (New Testament) obviously indicates that salvation came through faith during Old Testament times.


In fact, the Bible teaches that faith in God (a willful submission to the call and will of God) was necessary in Heaven before sin began and I believe that faith in God will be necessary throughout eternity. Lucifer and one third of the angels were cast out of Heaven because they refused to trust God.

Adam and Eve sinned because they did not trust God. God’s children, whether fallen or unfallen, sinful or sinless, are called to live a life of faith. Absolute trust in God is the only way finite beings can live with an infinite God “whose ways are not our ways.” (Isaiah 55:9)

Abraham had a heart for God. When God called Abraham to leave his home, the Bible says that by faith Abraham “went out, not knowing whither he went.” (KJV, Hebrews 11:8) Abraham’s departure from home required a lot of faith in God and the Bible states that God counted Abraham as a righteous man because of his faith! (Genesis 15:6) In other words, because of Abraham’s faith, God considered him a saint instead of the sinner he actually was. (Romans 1:17; 4:16; Galatians 3:9) Remember, this happened before God made a covenant with the nation of Israel. Because Abraham humbly walked with God (lived in harmony with God’s calling and will), Jesus honored Abraham’s faith by making three unconditional promises to him. First, Jesus promised to give Abraham’s descendants the land of Canaan. (Genesis 15:18) Second, Jesus promised a childless Abraham that his descendants would someday be as numerous as the stars in the sky. (Genesis 15:5) Third, Jesus promised Abraham that all nations would be blessed through him. (Genesis 18:18)

About four hundred years after making these promises, Jesus miraculously delivered Abraham’s descendants from Egyptian slavery and took them into the desert to prepare them for service. These slaves were the descendants of Jacob, the grandson of Abraham, whose name had been changed to Israel because of his faith in God. At Mount Sinai Jesus entered into a covenant with the nation of Israel. It is important to understand that God’s covenant with the nation of Israel was not for the purpose of salvation. God does not save people in groups. Salvation is an intimate, personal matter. Salvation comes to one person at a time when he surrenders his life to God’s control (lives by faith).

The covenant that God offered the nation of Israel was that of serving as trustees of His gospel. From the beginning of sin, the plan of salvation has operated as a living trust. A living trust has three elements: A benefactor, one or more trustees, and one or more beneficiaries. In a living trust, the benefactor chooses trustees to deliver his benefits to his beneficiaries. Prior to Mount Sinai, the patriarchs were the trustees of the gospel. They spoke for God and the gospel they preached contained important information that was otherwise unknown. After God dispersed humanity at the Tower of Babel and nations formed, He decided to use one nation to reach all the other nations. So, God the Benefactor chose Israel as a trustee through which He would bless all nations (beneficiaries).

The wonderful thing about the eternal gospel is that whosoever will may come and enjoy the benefits of God’s salvation. As the Creator of mankind, God is not exclusive; instead, He is inclusive. At Mount Sinai the nation of Israel agreed to do whatever the Lord commanded. (Exodus 24:3) It is most important to understand the nature and structure of God’s covenant because God’s covenant with Israel was conditional from the beginning. Look at two passages (there are many) from the Old Testament showing that the covenant between God and the nation of Israel was conditional:

1. “Then Moses went up to God, and the Lord called to him from the mountain and said, This is what you are to say to the house of Jacob and what you are to tell the people of Israel: You yourselves have seen what I did to Egypt, and how I carried you on eagles wings and brought you to myself. Now if you obey me fully and keep my covenant, then out of all nations you will be my treasured possession. Although the whole earth is mine, you will be for me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation. These are the words you are to speak to the Israelites.” (Exodus 19:3–6, italics mine)

2. “If you fully obey the Lord your God and carefully follow all his commands I give you today, the Lord your God will set you high above all the nations on earth. . . . However, if you do not obey the Lord your God and do not carefully follow all his commands and decrees I am giving you today, all these curses will come upon you and overtake you.” (Deuteronomy 28:1,15, italics mine)

Fifteen hundred years after establishing His covenant with Israel at Mount Sinai, Jesus came to Earth as the Messiah. The very nation (Acts 3:15) that He had chosen to be His representative on Earth rejected and killed Him. “He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him.” (John 1:11; Luke 20:9-16) The Old Testament is unmistakably clear! For 15 centuries, God did everything possible to get Israel to fulfill His objectives, but Israel rebelled at every turn. (Ezekiel 23, Romans 11:20–21) Israel’s rejection of Jesus as the Messiah was “the straw that broke the camel’s back.” The eternal gospel of Jesus could not be given to the world by a rebellious group of trustees. How could Israel teach the world about faith in God when a majority of people in Israel refused to live by faith? So, Jesus, the Benefactor, terminated His covenant with the nation of Israel by pronouncing this benediction: “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often [over the past 1,500 years] I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing. Look, your house [your nation] is left to you desolate [of God’s covenant, blessings and presence]. For I tell you, you will not see me [extending grace to this house ever] again until you [are forced by overwhelming circumstances to] say, Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord [at the Second Coming*].” (Matthew 23:37–39, insertions and italics mine, *See Matthew 26:64 and Revelation 1:7.)

A few days after Jesus terminated His covenant with the nation of Israel, He implemented a New Covenant (Luke 22:20) because Jesus wants the benefits of His gospel to go throughout the whole Earth. Now, the New Covenant differs from the Old Covenant in two critical ways.

First, instead of choosing a nation of people to serve as trustees of the gospel, the New Covenant opens the door and allows “whosoever will” to become a trustee of the gospel. In the New Covenant, there is neither Jew nor Gentile, male nor female (these distinctions had been important in the Old Covenant). (Romans 10:12)

Under the New Covenant, God approves every sinner who chooses to live by faith to serve as a trustee of the gospel of Jesus. Said another way, the Old Covenant pertained to a selected group of trustees, but the New Covenant pertains to a self-selecting group of trustees. One could also say that after Israel failed (Plan A), God created even a better covenant for those who would choose to participate in Plan B. (Romans 11:15, Hebrews 8:6) Keep in mind that a new covenant was required when the covenant with Israel was terminated because the plan of salvation operates as a living trust there is a Benefactor, trustees, and beneficiaries.

The second difference between the Old Covenant and New Covenant is profoundly important: The two covenants have different laws, different promises and different prophecies. Mixing or merging the terms and conditions of these two covenants will produce disastrous results. Millions of Protestants are hopelessly confused about Bible prophecy (including what will occur during the Great Tribulation) because pastors and theologians are mixing and merging the terms and conditions of the two covenants.

The prophecies and promises given to ancient Israel under the Old Covenant will not be fulfilled because God terminated that covenant with the nation of Israel. Even though God abandoned the nation of Israel as trustees, any Jew who surrenders to the gospel of Christ by faith in Him can receive salvation because the New Covenant does not distinguish between Jews and Gentiles. (Early Jewish converts understood this concept well. See Romans 11:23.)

Consider this: The Old Covenant does not say one word about the Second Coming because everything in the Old Covenant centers around the First Coming which was supposed to be the only coming! Had Israel been faithful to the terms and conditions of the Old Covenant, there would not be a Second Coming. Jesus would not have returned to Heaven and He would have established His kingdom on Earth just as John the Baptist predicted! (Mark 1:15)

Everything promised and prophesied in the Old Testament would have been fulfilled just as it was written in the Old Covenant if Israel had remained faithful as trustees and had accepted Jesus Christ as Messiah. The past 2,000 years of Earth’s history would be entirely different than we now know it if Israel had met the terms and conditions of the Old Covenant. Sadly, the Old Covenant had to be terminated because Israel persistently refused to cooperate with God and accomplish His objectives. Therefore, God made a New Covenant for those who are faithful to Him.

Israel Redefined Not Displaced
Given this discussion on the two covenants, you may be wondering what all of this has to do with modern Israel and the end of the world. Here is the point: When Jesus initiated the New Covenant, He created a self-selecting group of trustees who would choose to live by faith.

You might be surprised to learn that Jesus’ new trustees are also called “Israel” because He made three unconditional promises to Abraham. To fulfill these unconditional promises, Jesus had to redefine Israel; that is, Jesus redefined the “heirs of Abraham.” Consider this verse: “If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed [the Greek word for seed is sperma], and [therefore] heirs according to the promise [that will be fulfilled at the appointed time].” (Galatians 3:29, insertion mine) “It is not as though God’s word had failed [when He established the New Covenant].

For not all who are descended from Israel
[Jacob] are [part of] Israel. Nor because they are his descendants are they all Abraham’s children. On the contrary, [biology means little to God. Faith means everything to God. This is why God said to Abraham] It is through Isaac [the son who was promised to you and Sarah, not Ishmael] that your offspring will be reckoned. In other words, it is not the natural [biological] children who are God’s children, but it is the children of the promise [like Isaac, those who live by faith] who are regarded as Abraham’s offspring.” (Romans 9:6–8, insertions mine)

The Apostle James knew that Israel had been redefined because he calls the believers in Christ the twelve tribes of Israel. (See James 1:1 and 2:1.) Of course, current saints do not know which tribe is theirs, but this information will be clarified when the time comes for them to enter the Holy City.

(By the way, no one belonging to the Jewish race today knows their biological tribe of origin either. The Roman army destroyed all of Israel’s genealogical records in the first century A.D.) So, biological origin, temple services, sacrificial offerings, circumcision, and all of the Old Covenant terms and conditions mean nothing to God today. (Galatians 2–4, Romans 2:28–29, Hebrews 7–10) God has terminated the Old Covenant, with its promises and prophecies, and has declared it null and void because there is a New Covenant, a new group of trustees and new promises and prophecies.

Because the twelve tribes have been redefined, the 144,000 will come from all nations and religions. They are identified as the “twelve tribes” of Israel in Revelation 7 because the 144,000 will be people who have faith in God, just like Abraham and Jacob (also called Israel).

These people will love God with all their heart, mind and soul as Abraham and Jacob did. Carefully study this passage and notice how Jesus defines the issue of ancestry: “Abraham is our father, they answered. If you were Abraham’s children, said Jesus, then you would do the things Abraham did. As it is, you are determined to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God. Abraham did not do such things. . . . You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desire.” (John 8:39–44)

If our behavior reflects the faith of Abraham, God considers us children and heirs of Abraham. If our behavior reflects the rebellion of the devil, God considers us children of the devil.

Throughout the ages, the saints of God have been tested with persecution and the same holds true for the Great Tribulation. (Revelation 3:9; 12:17; 13:7) The Great Tribulation will separate people of faith from people of rebellion. Thus, in the end, all Israel will be saved (Romans 11:26) because the Israel of God (the descendants of Abraham) consists only of people who have a faith in God like Abraham and Jacob.

When the Israel of God goes marching into New Jerusalem at the Second Coming, the twelve tribes will enter through their respective gates! (Revelation 21:12) Think about that glorious day! When the time arrives for all of Abraham’s children to enter into the Holy City, twelve great processions will form, and after marching through those pearly gates, a numberless group of “Jews” will gather around the throne of God and together as one man, they will bow down before Jesus, the Messiah, the eternal King of the Jews. (Mark 15:2, John 19:19–22)

A thousand years later, when the Holy City comes down from God out of Heaven and lands on Earth, the three unconditional promises made to Abraham will THEN be fulfilled. (1) The Holy City will physically encompass all of the land that was promised to the patriarch.

Abraham’s descendants will possess the land, and the Holy City will be their home throughout eternity. Incidentally, the Holy City, built by God Himself, is the city that Abraham anticipated. (Hebrews 11:10) (2) When the saints of all ages are gathered around God’s throne, Abraham’s heirs will be as numberless as the stars in the sky. They will come from all nations and religious backgrounds, and a “once childless” Abraham will rejoice as he looks over that vast throng.

Among the redeemed, Abraham will be known as “the father of the faithful.” (3) Last, there will be endless rejoicing throughout Heaven at the end of sin’s drama because the redeemed will realize that all nations were truly blessed with the gift of salvation through Abraham’s seed.

Jesus, the Lamb of God and the Lion from the tribe of Judah, will be eternally praised to the highest Heavens for the salvation that He so generously provided to all who were willing to live by faith. Thus, the three unconditional promises given to Abraham will be fulfilled.

The salient point is that in this marvelous drama, the modern nation of Israel is not in the picture. The establishment of modern Israel is no different than the recent establishment of Serbia. Neither event is prophetically significant.
Also, I am well aware of the two "Promises" / Covenants .... and I offer you an interesting verse, fellow member of "The Body of Christ"... Jude 1:9 (Jude comes right before Revelation, if I remember correctly)

What are Michael and the Dragon fighting over?
 
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The current Jewish State of Israel has no place in the end times.
Because 20 + Prophesies tell of the virtual demise of Judah on the Day of the Lords vengeance and fiery wrath, which will clear and cleanse all of the holy land. Deuteronomy 32:34-43
The true Israelites of God, His faithful Christian peoples will become the new nation there, Isaiah 62:1-5
 
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The current Jewish State of Israel has no place in the end times.
Because 20 + Prophesies tell of the virtual demise of Judah on the Day of the Lords vengeance and fiery wrath, which will clear and cleanse all of the holy land. Deuteronomy 32:34-43
The true Israelites of God, His faithful Christian peoples will become the new nation there, Isaiah 62:1-5
I don’t suppose that you have read Zechariah 12-14, Joel 3 and Revelation in one sitting?
 
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What are Michael and the Dragon fighting over?
Gods holy people, the faithful Christian peoples, from every tribe, race, nation and language. 1 Peter 2:9-10, Revelation 5:9-10 & 7:9
Daniel 12:1-3 plainly states that only those people whose names are Written in the Book of Life, will be delivered. Not many Jews will qualify.
 
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Gods holy people, the faithful Christian peoples, from every tribe, race, nation and language. 1 Peter 2:9-10, Revelation 5:9-10 & 7:9
Daniel 12:1-3 plainly states that only those people whose names are Written in the Book of Life, will be delivered. Not many Jews will qualify.
Forgive me for bringing my point back to the verse in Jude 1... but Michael and the Dragon are literally fighting over the BODY OF MOSES... I quoted Jude 1:9 .... are you doubling down on your above quote as answer to my question about Jude 1:9 .... Just making sure you see that my question was about Jude 1:9
 
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Gods holy people, the faithful Christian peoples, from every tribe, race, nation and language. 1 Peter 2:9-10, Revelation 5:9-10 & 7:9
Daniel 12:1-3 plainly states that only those people whose names are Written in the Book of Life, will be delivered. Not many Jews will qualify.
Let's start extra simple... Does G-d fulfill His promises because of "OUR" goodness or "HIS"? That being said... are you aware that the word "Covenant" literally means "PROMISE"?
 
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Let's start extra simple... Does G-d fulfill His promises because of "OUR" goodness or "HIS"? That being said... are you aware that the word "Covenant" literally means "PROMISE"?
Sorry I didn't address Jude1:9. I regard it as irrelevant to end time Prophecy. God will allow Satan power to control the world for 42 months.

There is no Covenant with God, between Him and Judah or with Christians, today. What will happen when we do make the new Covenant, is described in Hebrews 8:8-12
 
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Sorry I didn't address Jude1:9. I regard it as irrelevant to end time Prophecy. God will allow Satan power to control the world for 42 months.

There is no Covenant with God, between Him and Judah or with Christians, today. What will happen when we do make the new Covenant, is described in Hebrews 8:8-12
Okay... Let's address some biblical covenants...

The Rainbow.... Not by flood... ever again
Abraham... All blessed through his lineage
Moses... Land Promises and Israel is promised that all authority will be given to Israel
Jesus... Goes back to Abraham and is defined as "The New Covenant".... however, Jesus doesn't fulfill "ALL" of the Old Covenant Land Promises, but does fulfill the Mitzvah / Law... and the Land Covenant (Joel 3 / (Zechariah 14) itself is eluded to in Acts 1:6 Then they gathered around him and asked him, “Lord, are you at this time going to restore the kingdom to Israel?”

7 He said to them: “It is not for you to know the times or dates the Father has set by his own authority."

Jesus has the New Covenant with Gentile Sinners.. aka us... Christians.... in the here and now.... Jesus calls it the "Time of the Gentiles" Luke 21:24

However... The Jews are awaiting their Messiah to do exactly as they asked Him in Acts 1:6
 
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Lord, are you at this time going to restore the kingdom to Israel?”
Thinking that Israel only means the Jews, is a mistake. They lost the Kingdom, Matthew 21:43, and are never said to get it back.
That Promise belongs to the faithful Christian peoples. Matthew 25:33-34 The Overcomers for Him; literally Gods Israelite peoples.
The Jews are awaiting their Messiah to do exactly as they asked Him in Acts 1:6
Prophecy tells us the fate of the apostate Jews. - Isaiah 22:14, Ezekiel 21:1-7, + and only a remnant will survive. Romans 9:27
 
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Thinking that Israel only means the Jews, is a mistake. They lost the Kingdom, Matthew 21:43, and are never said to get it back.
That Promise belongs to the faithful Christian peoples. Matthew 25:33-34 The Overcomers for Him; literally Gods Israelite peoples.

Prophecy tells us the fate of the apostate Jews. - Isaiah 22:14, Ezekiel 21:1-7, + and only a remnant will survive. Romans 9:27
2 Questions... What is happening here in "1 Peter 3:19 In that state He also went and made a proclamation to the spirits in prison"

And what is happening here "Revelation 20:12 I also saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life, and the dead were judged according to their works by what was written in the books." in light of "John 5:24 I assure you: Anyone who hears My word and believes Him who sent Me has eternal life and will not come under judgment but has passed from death to life." ?
 
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John 5:24 I assure you: Anyone who hears My word and believes Him who sent Me has eternal life and will not come under judgment but has passed from death to life." ?
True faithful believers in Jesus, have their names Written in the Book of Life and so at the Great White Throne Judgment; AFTER the thousand year reign of King Jesus on earth; they will receive Eternal life.
 
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True faithful believers in Jesus, have their names Written in the Book of Life and so at the Great White Throne Judgment; AFTER the thousand year reign of King Jesus on earth; they will receive Eternal life.
That interpretation thrusts the BOC into judgment at the Great White Throne. This is not so. Jesus specifically stated that the BOC is not Judged (John 5:24)

How do you theologically feel confident contradicting the incarnations statement?

Also, you are ignoring the events that lead up to the millennial reign. This is where timeline becomes the real issue. Zechariah 12-14, Joel 3 and Acts 1 become strong rebuttals to your posit, IMO. Romans 11 only reinforces my claim, again IMO.

Exodus 32:32 seems far more significant in this discussion. IMO
 
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That interpretation thrusts the BOC into judgment at the Great White Throne. This is not so. Jesus specifically stated that the BOC is not Judged (John 5:24)
Rev 20:11-15 is quite clear: everybody who has ever lived, plus those still living, will have to stand before God on His Great White Throne.
Then the Books will be opened and those whose names are found in the Book of Life will receive immortality. The rest are Judged and annihilated.
you are ignoring the events that lead up to the millennial reign.
I have written a book on things to happen before Jesus Returns. 800 + articles on my website.
Plenty to get a grip onto there! I believe I will see it all happen.
 
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Rev 20:11-15 is quite clear: everybody who has ever lived, plus those still living, will have to stand before God on His Great White Throne.
Then the Books will be opened and those whose names are found in the Book of Life will receive immortality. The rest are Judged and annihilated.

I have written a book on things to happen before Jesus Returns. 800 + articles on my website.
Plenty to get a grip onto there! I believe I will see it all happen.
There it is! You just said it! The Dead are raised to Judgment before the Great White Throne, which Jesus also refers to AS THE GREAT FEAST. The BOC is either with Jesus, or Snatched (1 Thes 4:17 Cross References (30 Verses)) at the last moments of the Anti-Christ's deception... to spare all the earth from ceasing to exist.

You're eisegesis is as if the BOC is in "SHEOL (Jonah 2:2)(What Does the Bible Say About Sheol?)".... Which it most definitely is NOT! Those who Died in Jesus are ALIVE with Jesus (1 Thessalonians 4:14)!

The BOC meets Jesus as He is on His way to the earth. Where is He headed and why?

Acts 1, Joel 3 and Zechariah 14 reveal this!

Think it through... you have the BOC with Jesus in complete at the close of the time of the Gentiles.... so why does God raise the Dead unto judgment and WHERE does it take place per ALL scripture?
 
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