American Tract Society & the American Sunday School Union Agree ~

[d taylor]

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[SkyWriting]

No not really, I just shared what God says verbatim from the scriptures in *Ezekiel 46:1-3; Isaiah 66:22-23 calling the Sabbath a day of worship. They are Gods' Words not mine.

And I covered the courtyard, and the burnt offering, the gate, and the New Moons requirement...which you seem to have lopped off for some reason. I dunno why.




‘Thus says the Lord GOD: “The gateway... the vestibule ...his burnt offering and his peace offerings... the New Moons.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Show that in The 10 commandments which was The law (or part of the law) for Israel in this age. Again Isaiah and Ezekiel are about The Messianic Kingdom not now.

You can say again as much as you like but the fact is as shown earlier from the scriptures Ezekiel 46:1-3 is pre-advent (read the context of Ezekiel 45:1-25) and Isaiah 66:22-23 is post advent as in the new heavens and the new earth as already shown in the scriptures posted in post # 40 linked where God himself says "the Sabbath is a day of worship.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Show that in The 10 commandments which was The law (or part of the law) for Israel in this age.

Here you go...

JESUS said...

• Think not that I have come to destroy the law or the prophet - Matthew 5:17
• Jesus magnified the law - Matthew 5:17-28
• The law will now pass away until heaven and earth pass away - Matthew 5:18
• Whoever will break the least of these commandments and teach men so will be the least in God's kingdom (the least are those who do not go there see 1 John 2:3-4)
• Whoever obeys and teaches the law will be called great in God's kingdom - Matthew 5:19
• Jesus taught that fail and obedience to Gods' law is required to receive eternal life - Matthew 19:17-21; John 3:36.
• Jesus taught others to follow the 10 commandments (Mark 10:17-21)
  Jesus taught that the two great commandments of love are not separate from obeying Gods' law - Matthew 22:36-40
  
• Jesus taught that if we break God’s Law by following man-made traditions we are not worshiping God (Matt 15:3-9)
  
• Jesus says if we commit sin (breaking Gods law - 1 John 3:4) we are a servant of sin and he has come to free us from sin - John 8:32-36
  
• Jesus taught if you love God you will keep God’s Law and abide in His Love - John 14:15; 15:10
• If we love God we will obey His commandments and abide in His love - John 14:15; John 15:10

Jesus did not teach anywhere in the bible that Gods law has been abolished both Jesus and the Apostles and all the new testament teaches obedience to Gods law according to the new covenant scriptures..

PAUL said...

• Paul teaches God's people keep the Sabbath Hebrews 4:1-9.
• Paul tells gentiles that "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of GOD" 1 Corinthians 7:19
• Paul tells gentiles "it is not the HEARERS of the Law that are just before God but the DOERS of the Law will be justified... on the day when according to my GOSPEL God will judge all mankind" Romans 2:13-16
• Paul says faith is not separate from obedience to God's law - Romans 3:31
• Paul tells ALL Christians that it is only the lost who will "not subject themselves to the Law of God neither indeed CAN they" Romans 8:6-8
• Paul teaches all Christians under the NEW Covenant that God's LAW as known in Jeremiah 31:31-33 is "written on the heart and mind" and Gods new covenant promise - Heb 8:7-11
• Paul tells all Christians that the OT text is to be used for Doctrine - 2 Timothy 3:16
• AND He never claims that "if I did not write it -- it is not scripture for us today" -- as one or two have imagined for us.
• Paul tells all Christians that the 5th commandment is the "FIRST commandment with a promise" and is binding on all Christians. - Ephesians 6:1-2
• Paul tells us that God's Law (10 commandments) is holy, just and good - Romans 7:12
• God's Law gives us a knowledge of what sin is - Romans 3:20; 7:7
• The penalty of breaking God's Law without Jesus is death - Romans 6:23
• If we break God's Law we dishonor God - Romans 2:23
• If we sin we are "under the Law" and guilty before God - Romans 3:19
• We are saved by faith but our faith establishes the Law in us - Romans 3:31
• If we are saved by grace we should not break God's Law - Romans 6:1-7
• We should not break God's Law if we are under grace - Romans 6:15
• We are to serve the Law of God through the mind because that is where sin starts - Romans 6:17; 7:25; 8:4; 12:2
• It is God's Law that brings us to Jesus - Galatians 3:24
• God's salvation frees us from sin so we can be obedient to God's Law and live a life of holiness - Romans 6:22
• We will be judged by God's Law and only those that are obedient will be justified because of their faith - Romans 2:4-13
• God's Law can only be obeyed through love and a changed heart which comes by faith in God's Word - Romans 2:21-29; 13:9-10; Hebrews 8:9-10
• If we break God's Law and are in unrepentant sin we will be lost and will received God's judgements - Hebrews 10:26-27

JOHN said...

• John says it is only by keeping God’s 10 commandments that we know that we know God (1 John 2:3)
• If someone says that they know God and do not keep God’s 10 commandments they are lying and not telling the truth (1 John 2:4)
• We should purify ourselves as Jesus is pure (1 John 3:3)
• Sin is the breaking of God’s 10 commandments (1 John 3:4)
• Whoever is abiding in Christ does not commit sin (1 John 3:6; John 15:4-10)
• If you are in unrepentant sin you have not seen Jesus or know him (1 John 3:6)
• John warns us that only those that are obedience to God’s Law are his true followers (1 John 3:7)
• If someone is committing unrepentant sin they are following the devil and not God (1 John 3:7)
• If you are born of God and abiding in him you will not commit sin (1 John 3:9; 1 John 3:6; John 15:4-10
• It is the keeping of God’s commandments that is the difference between those that are following God and those that are not following God (1 John 3:10; 1 John 5:3)
• It is only by Love through faith that we can keep God’s commandments (1 John 5:3-4)
• God’s true believers in the end days will keep all of God’s commandments through faith in Jesus (Revelation 14:12; 22:14)

JAMES said...

• James says God’s Law (10 commandments) are a Royal Law - James 2:8
• If we break one of God’s commandments we a guilty before God as sinners breaking all of God’s Law and gave some examples of breaking God’s Law - James 2:9-11
• James says God’s Law is a law of liberty and freedom - James 2:12)
• The 10 commandments (God’s Law) are the standard in the judgment - James 2:12
• If our faith does not have the fruit of obedience to God’s Law it is dead and not true faith - James 2:16-26

PETER said...

• Sanctification is to obedience to God’s Law - 1 Peter 1:2
• We can only be changed from sin to obedience to God’s Law by the power of God and it will be revealed in the last days - 1 Peter 1:5
• We should give up our sins to be holy because Jesus is holy - 1 Peter 1:13-16
• Jesus is your example who did no sin - 1 Peter 2:21-22
• Cease from sin and do not live in the flesh - 1 Peter 4:1-3
• Judgement will begin at the house of God and sinners (those breaking God’s 10 commandments) will not be saved - 1 Peter 4:17
• God has given us his precious promises and as we believe them God will grant us his divine power to live a life of Godliness (obedience to God’s Law; 2 Peter 1:2-4
• The Un-Godly (disobedient to God’s Law) will be like Sodom and Gomorrah - 2 Peter 2:6
• If any turn away from God’s Law and are in unrepentant sin breaking any of God’10 commandments they will be lost - 2 Peter 2:20-22
• God is not willing that any should perish but that everyone should come to repentance and turn away from sin to follow God’s 10 commandments because those that do not will receive the judgements of God 2 Peter 3:5-14

JESUS AND THE APOSTLES OBEYED AND TAUGHT THE SABBATH saying...

• It is lawful to do good on the Sabbath - Matthew 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56)
• Jesus made the Sabbath for all mankind - Hebrews 1:2; John 1:1-3; 14; Ephesians 3:9; Colossians 1:16-17; Mark 2:27
• Jesus is Lord (creator) and owner of the Sabbath - Mark 2:28
• If you do not believe and follow God you cannot enter His Sabbath rest - Hebrews 4
• It is one of God’s 10 commandments we break it we are guilty or breaking all - James 2:8-12
• Breaking it is sin - 1 John 3:4
• God’s true followers keep it Holy as God commanded - Revelation 14:12; 22:14; Ezekiel 20:20
• Jesus is our example and he kept the Sabbath - Matthew 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56; John 2:6; Matthew 16:24; 1 Corinthians 11:1; Ephesians 5:1-21; Peter 2:20-22
• The Apostle and disciples all kept the Sabbath after the death and resurrection of Jesus - Acts of the Apostles 13:14; 13:27; 13:44; 15:21; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4; Revelation 1:10
• Jesus taught that God's people would be still keeping the Sabbath well after the death and resurrection - Matthew 24:20; Mark 13:18.

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Everyone of God's 10 commandments are repeated in the new covenant as the standard of Christian living. Further scripture support proving these claims is provided here linked if your interested.

Take Care.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

And I covered the courtyard, and the burnt offering, the gate, and the New Moons requirement...which you seem to have lopped off for some reason. I dunno why. ‘Thus says the Lord GOD: “The gateway... the vestibule ...his burnt offering and his peace offerings... the New Moons.

Perhaps because it was not relevant to the point being made or to why the earlier scriptures were posted from Ezekiel 46:1-3 and Isaiah 66:22-23 which was to show that according to God himself the Sabbath is a day of worship. The rest of your post was only a distraction that no one was arguing about.

Take Care.

 

[SkyWriting]

What he does not understand is that is during the millennium reign of The Messiah, under Kingdom Law. Those verse have noting to do with the Law of Moses and now.

The law of Moses is obsolete.

 

[SkyWriting]

Here you go...

JESUS said...

• Think not that I have come to destroy the law or the prophet - Matthew 5:17
• Jesus magnified the law - Matthew 5:17-28
• The law will now pass away until heaven and earth pass away - Matthew 5:18
• Whoever will break the least of these commandments and teach men so will be the least in God's kingdom (the least are those who do not go there see 1 John 2:3-4)
• Whoever obeys and teaches the law will be called great in God's kingdom - Matthew 5:19
• Jesus taught that fail and obedience to Gods' law is required to receive eternal life - Matthew 19:17-21; John 3:36.
• Jesus taught others to follow the 10 commandments (Mark 10:17-21)
  Jesus taught that the two great commandments of love are not separate from obeying Gods' law - Matthew 22:36-40
  
• Jesus taught that if we break God’s Law by following man-made traditions we are not worshiping God (Matt 15:3-9)
  
• Jesus says if we commit sin (breaking Gods law - 1 John 3:4) we are a servant of sin and he has come to free us from sin - John 8:32-36
  
• Jesus taught if you love God you will keep God’s Law and abide in His Love - John 14:15; 15:10
• If we love God we will obey His commandments and abide in His love - John 14:15; John 15:10

Jesus did not teach anywhere in the bible that Gods law has been abolished both Jesus and the Apostles and all the new testament teaches obedience to Gods law according to the new covenant scriptures..

PAUL said...

• Paul teaches God's people keep the Sabbath Hebrews 4:1-9.
• Paul tells gentiles that "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of GOD" 1 Corinthians 7:19
• Paul tells gentiles "it is not the HEARERS of the Law that are just before God but the DOERS of the Law will be justified... on the day when according to my GOSPEL God will judge all mankind" Romans 2:13-16
• Paul says faith is not separate from obedience to God's law - Romans 3:31
• Paul tells ALL Christians that it is only the lost who will "not subject themselves to the Law of God neither indeed CAN they" Romans 8:6-8
• Paul teaches all Christians under the NEW Covenant that God's LAW as known in Jeremiah 31:31-33 is "written on the heart and mind" and Gods new covenant promise - Heb 8:7-11
• Paul tells all Christians that the OT text is to be used for Doctrine - 2 Timothy 3:16
• AND He never claims that "if I did not write it -- it is not scripture for us today" -- as one or two have imagined for us.
• Paul tells all Christians that the 5th commandment is the "FIRST commandment with a promise" and is binding on all Christians. - Ephesians 6:1-2
• Paul tells us that God's Law (10 commandments) is holy, just and good - Romans 7:12
• God's Law gives us a knowledge of what sin is - Romans 3:20; 7:7
• The penalty of breaking God's Law without Jesus is death - Romans 6:23
• If we break God's Law we dishonor God - Romans 2:23
• If we sin we are "under the Law" and guilty before God - Romans 3:19
• We are saved by faith but our faith establishes the Law in us - Romans 3:31
• If we are saved by grace we should not break God's Law - Romans 6:1-7
• We should not break God's Law if we are under grace - Romans 6:15
• We are to serve the Law of God through the mind because that is where sin starts - Romans 6:17; 7:25; 8:4; 12:2
• It is God's Law that brings us to Jesus - Galatians 3:24
• God's salvation frees us from sin so we can be obedient to God's Law and live a life of holiness - Romans 6:22
• We will be judged by God's Law and only those that are obedient will be justified because of their faith - Romans 2:4-13
• God's Law can only be obeyed through love and a changed heart which comes by faith in God's Word - Romans 2:21-29; 13:9-10; Hebrews 8:9-10
• If we break God's Law and are in unrepentant sin we will be lost and will received God's judgements - Hebrews 10:26-27

JOHN said...

• John says it is only by keeping God’s 10 commandments that we know that we know God (1 John 2:3)
• If someone says that they know God and do not keep God’s 10 commandments they are lying and not telling the truth (1 John 2:4)
• We should purify ourselves as Jesus is pure (1 John 3:3)
• Sin is the breaking of God’s 10 commandments (1 John 3:4)
• Whoever is abiding in Christ does not commit sin (1 John 3:6; John 15:4-10)
• If you are in unrepentant sin you have not seen Jesus or know him (1 John 3:6)
• John warns us that only those that are obedience to God’s Law are his true followers (1 John 3:7)
• If someone is committing unrepentant sin they are following the devil and not God (1 John 3:7)
• If you are born of God and abiding in him you will not commit sin (1 John 3:9; 1 John 3:6; John 15:4-10
• It is the keeping of God’s commandments that is the difference between those that are following God and those that are not following God (1 John 3:10; 1 John 5:3)
• It is only by Love through faith that we can keep God’s commandments (1 John 5:3-4)
• God’s true believers in the end days will keep all of God’s commandments through faith in Jesus (Revelation 14:12; 22:14)

JAMES said...

• James says God’s Law (10 commandments) are a Royal Law - James 2:8
• If we break one of God’s commandments we a guilty before God as sinners breaking all of God’s Law and gave some examples of breaking God’s Law - James 2:9-11
• James says God’s Law is a law of liberty and freedom - James 2:12)
• The 10 commandments (God’s Law) are the standard in the judgment - James 2:12
• If our faith does not have the fruit of obedience to God’s Law it is dead and not true faith - James 2:16-26

PETER said...

• Sanctification is to obedience to God’s Law - 1 Peter 1:2
• We can only be changed from sin to obedience to God’s Law by the power of God and it will be revealed in the last days - 1 Peter 1:5
• We should give up our sins to be holy because Jesus is holy - 1 Peter 1:13-16
• Jesus is your example who did no sin - 1 Peter 2:21-22
• Cease from sin and do not live in the flesh - 1 Peter 4:1-3
• Judgement will begin at the house of God and sinners (those breaking God’s 10 commandments) will not be saved - 1 Peter 4:17
• God has given us his precious promises and as we believe them God will grant us his divine power to live a life of Godliness (obedience to God’s Law; 2 Peter 1:2-4
• The Un-Godly (disobedient to God’s Law) will be like Sodom and Gomorrah - 2 Peter 2:6
• If any turn away from God’s Law and are in unrepentant sin breaking any of God’10 commandments they will be lost - 2 Peter 2:20-22
• God is not willing that any should perish but that everyone should come to repentance and turn away from sin to follow God’s 10 commandments because those that do not will receive the judgements of God 2 Peter 3:5-14

JESUS AND THE APOSTLES OBEYED AND TAUGHT THE SABBATH saying...

• It is lawful to do good on the Sabbath - Matthew 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56)
• Jesus made the Sabbath for all mankind - Hebrews 1:2; John 1:1-3; 14; Ephesians 3:9; Colossians 1:16-17; Mark 2:27
• Jesus is Lord (creator) and owner of the Sabbath - Mark 2:28
• If you do not believe and follow God you cannot enter His Sabbath rest - Hebrews 4
• It is one of God’s 10 commandments we break it we are guilty or breaking all - James 2:8-12
• Breaking it is sin - 1 John 3:4
• God’s true followers keep it Holy as God commanded - Revelation 14:12; 22:14; Ezekiel 20:20
• Jesus is our example and he kept the Sabbath - Matthew 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56; John 2:6; Matthew 16:24; 1 Corinthians 11:1; Ephesians 5:1-21; Peter 2:20-22
• The Apostle and disciples all kept the Sabbath after the death and resurrection of Jesus - Acts of the Apostles 13:14; 13:27; 13:44; 15:21; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4; Revelation 1:10
• Jesus taught that God's people would be still keeping the Sabbath well after the death and resurrection - Matthew 24:20; Mark 13:18.

...................

Everyone of God's 10 commandments are repeated in the new covenant as the standard of Christian living. Further scripture support proving these claims is provided here linked if your interested.

Take Care.

Ob-So-Lete

Hebrews 8:13
In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete.
And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

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1 Corinthians 13:8
Love never ends. As for prophecies, they will pass away; as for tongues, they will cease; as for knowledge, it will pass away.

Hebrews 9:15
Therefore he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

The law of Moses is obsolete.

Indeed, but God's 10 commandments are eternal and are a part of the new covenant as shown in the scriptures already in post # 44 linked

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Ob-So-Lete Hebrews 8:13 In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

Note what the scripture says. The Cov-En-Ant is obsolete not Gods' law.

COVENANT, n. [L, to come; a coming together; a meeting or agreement of minds.]

• 1. A mutual consent or agreement of two or more persons, to do or to forbear some act or thing; a contract; stipulation. A covenant is created by deed in writing, sealed and executed; or it may be implied in the contract.
• 2. A writing containing the terms of agreement or contract between parties; or the clause of agreement in a deed containing the covenant.
• 3. In theology, the covenant of works, is that implied in the commands, prohibitions, and promises of God; the promise of God to man, that mans perfect obedience should entitle him to happiness. This do, and live; that do, and die.
• The covenant of redemption, is the mutual agreement between the Father and Son, respecting the redemption of sinners by Christ.
• The covenant of grace, is that by which God engages to bestow salvation on man, upon the condition that man shall believe in Christ and yield obedience to the terms of the gospel.
• 4. In church affairs, a solemn agreement between the members of a church, that they will walk together according to the precepts of the gospel, in brotherly affection.
• COVENANT, v.i. To enter into a formal agreement; to stipulate; to bind ones self by contract. A covenants with B to convey to him a certain estate. When the terms are expressed ti has for before the thing or price.
• They covenanted with him for thirty pieces of silver. Mat 26.
• COVENANT, v.t. To grant or promise by covenant.

Take Care..

 

[SkyWriting]

Note what the scripture says. The Cov-En-Ant is obsolete not Gods' law.

The old covenant was
the keeping of God's law would provide salvation.
What were you thinking it was?

The Old Covenant was a conditional or bilateral agreement that God made with the Israelites. The Old Covenant was in effect during the dispensation of the Law. It is “old” in comparison to the New Covenant, promised by Jeremiah the prophet (Jeremiah 31:31, 33) and made effective by the death of the Lord Jesus (Luke 22:20). In the Old Covenant, the Israelites were required to obey God and keep the Law, and in return He protected and blessed them (Deuteronomy 30:15–18; 1 Samuel 12:14–15). In the New Covenant, things change and God becomes the proactive and unconditional source of salvation and blessing. In the New Covenant, “God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us” (Romans 5:8).What was the Old Covenant? | GotQuestions.org

 

[SkyWriting]

Indeed, but God's 10 commandments are eternal and are a part of the new covenant as shown in the scriptures already in post # 44 linked

The new Covenant is Grace, because we are unable to keep the old.

 

[SkyWriting]

Note what the scripture says. The Cov-En-Ant is obsolete not Gods' law.

COVENANT, n. [L, to come; a coming together; a meeting or agreement of minds.]

• 1. A mutual consent or agreement of two or more persons, to do or to forbear some act or thing; a contract; stipulation. A covenant is created by deed in writing, sealed and executed; or it may be implied in the contract.
• 2. A writing containing the terms of agreement or contract between parties; or the clause of agreement in a deed containing the covenant.
• 3. In theology, the covenant of works, is that implied in the commands, prohibitions, and promises of God; the promise of God to man, that mans perfect obedience should entitle him to happiness. This do, and live; that do, and die.
• The covenant of redemption, is the mutual agreement between the Father and Son, respecting the redemption of sinners by Christ.
• The covenant of grace, is that by which God engages to bestow salvation on man, upon the condition that man shall believe in Christ and yield obedience to the terms of the gospel.
• 4. In church affairs, a solemn agreement between the members of a church, that they will walk together according to the precepts of the gospel, in brotherly affection.
• COVENANT, v.i. To enter into a formal agreement; to stipulate; to bind ones self by contract. A covenants with B to convey to him a certain estate. When the terms are expressed ti has for before the thing or price.
• They covenanted with him for thirty pieces of silver. Mat 26.
• COVENANT, v.t. To grant or promise by covenant.

Take Care..

Keeping God's law is impossible and never was practical.
See Also:
The 613 Mitzvot - JMU

 

[SabbathBlessings]

The new Covenant is Grace, because we are unable to keep the old.

The Ten Commandments is more than just keeping the Sabbath commandment, but it is part of it. Exodus 34:28. Exodus 20 Are you saying you are free to worship other gods, bow to false images, vain God’s holy name, steal, cheat, and murder? Do you think doing these things without having a changed heart, repenting and turning from sin, will get you in heaven? You might want to read James 2:10-12, Matthew 7:21-23, Revelation 22:14-15, Hebrews 10:26-30 and 1 John 2:3-5

 

[LoveGodsWord]

The covenant was
the keeping of God's law would provide salvation.
What were you thinking?

Not at all. I was thinking scripture. According to the new covenant scriptures Gods' law has the same role it always had and that is to give us the knowledge of good (moral right doing) and evil (moral wrong doing); sin (moral wrong doing) and righteousness (moral right doing) *see Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; Psalms 119:172 and to lead us to Christ that we might be forgiven through faith. The covenant was not God's 10 commandments alone like many falsely claim but also included the Mosaic "shadow laws" for remission of sins that pointed to Jesus as Gods' Sacrifice for the sins of the world once and for all and Gods' new covenant promise of salvation by God's grace that we receive through faith from the Mosaic book of the covenant *Exodus 24:7. The old covenant agreement included both God's 10 commandments that give us a knowledge of what sin is that is carried over into the new covenant (scriptures here) and the Mosaic book of the covenant that included all the Mosiac shadow laws for remission of sins that are now fulfilled and continued and Christ to who they pointed to *see Hebrews 7:1-25; Hebrews 8:1-13; Hebrews 9:1-27 and Hebrews 10:1-22 both make up the old covenant that points us to the new.

Take Care.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Keeping God's law is impossible and never was practical.

According to the scriptures nothing is impossible with God (Luke 18:27; Mark 10:27; Matthew 19:26). Salvation is from sin not a license to continue practicing sin according to John 8:31-36; 1 John 2:3-4; 1 John 3:4-9; Revelation 12:17; Revelation 14:12 and Revelation 22:14.

See Also: The 613 Mitzvot - JMU

Nothing to do with what we are talking about. The Mosaic laws for remission of sins are now obsolete and fulfilled in Christ in who they all pointed to. As shown through the scriptures earlier all of God's 10 commandments which are God's eternal laws of good and evil are repeated throughout the new covenant as the standard of Christian living (scriptures already provided in post # 44 linked).

PS. No one trusts in the blood of Christ by continuing in a life of "unbelief and sin" according to Hebrews 10:26-31. These are said to count the blood of the covenant an unholy thing doing despite to the Spirit of Gods' grace who will receive the judgements of God which will devour them.

Take Care.

 

[Filippus]

You may want to tell that to God himself who disagrees with your claims here in *Ezekiel 46:1-3; Isaiah 66:22-23 calling the Sabbath a day of worship. Also, you may want to consider that Sunday worship is a man-made teaching and tradition that has led many away from God and His Word to break Gods 4th commandment of the 10 commandments. There is not a single scripture in all of Gods' Word that says Gods' 4th commandment is now abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest in honor of the resurrection of Jesus. According to Jesus if we knowingly follow man-made teachings and traditions that break the commandments of God we are not worshiping God in Matthew 15:3-9. I guess this begs the question. If Sunday worship is a man-made teaching and tradition that has led many away from Gods' Word to break Gods' 4th commandment and Jesus says by doing this we are not worshiping God, who are we worshiping, God or man? God is calling us all out from following man-made teachings and traditions back to His Word to worship Him in Spirit and in truth. God is a Spirit and those who worship Him must worship Him in Spirit and in truth.

Something to pray about.

Colossians 2:16‭-‬17
Therefore let no one judge you in regard to food and drink or in regard to [the observance of] a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day. Such things are only a shadow of what is to come and they have only symbolic value; but the substance [the reality of what is foreshadowed] belongs to Christ.

 

[Filippus]

You can say again as much as you like but the fact is as shown earlier from the scriptures Ezekiel 46:1-3 is pre-advent (read the context of Ezekiel 45:1-25) and Isaiah 66:22-23 is post advent as in the new heavens and the new earth as already shown in the scriptures posted in post # 40 linked where God himself says "the Sabbath is a day of worship.

Agree, you are quoting Moses, but if you apply the 1st and 2nd commandment, you would not expect people to conform to your beliefs, but accept them as is, like Jesus does.

And if they chose to get together on Sunday it makes no difference to their relationship with God, who saved them by grace.

Shalom

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Colossians 2:16‭-‬17
Therefore let no one judge you in regard to food and drink or in regard to [the observance of] a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day. Such things are only a shadow of what is to come and they have only symbolic value; but the substance [the reality of what is foreshadowed] belongs to Christ.

Firstly Colossians 2:16 does not say "Sabbath day" the Greek is a noun that is genitive neuter plural literally meaning sabbaths. The context is to the meat and drink offerings, the new moons and the sabbaths (plural) in the Feast days (N-GNP). Paul is quoting from Ezekiel 45:17 and other old testament scriptures (2 Chronicles 2:4; 2 Chronicles 31:3; Nehemiah 10:33; Ezekiel 45:17, and Hosea 2:11). If you know the old testament scriptures you will see that Colossians 2:16 is a reference to the ceremonial sabbaths (not God's 4th commandment of the 10 commandments) in the Feast days. These ceremonial sabbaths included; (1) Feast of Unleavened Bread (first and last day) *Leviticus 23:6-8 (2) Feast of Trumpets *Leviticus 23:24-25 (3) Day of Atonement *Leviticus 23:27-32 (4) Feast of Booths *Leviticus 23:34-36 (5) Feast of First Fruits *Leviticus 23:39 (6) Feast days of Holy convocation of no work (sabbaton Colossians 2:16 *Leviticus 23:7-8; 21;24; 27; 35-36 that were all shadows of things to come pointing to Jesus as the promised Messiah and Savoir of the world and not God's 4th commandment that points backwards to the finished work of creation (Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:8-11).

Various Sunday keeping commentaries...

Albert Barnes Notes on the Bible
“... Or of the Sabbath days - Greek, “of the Sabbaths.” The word Sabbath in the Old Testament is applied not only to the seventh day, but to all the days of holy rest that were observed by the Hebrews, and particularly to the beginning and close of their great festivals. There is, doubtless, reference to those days in this place, since the word is used in the plural number, and the apostle does not refer particularly to the Sabbath properly so called. There is no evidence from this passage that he would teach that there was no obligation to observe any holy time, for there is not the slightest reason to believe that he meant to teach that one of the ten commandments had ceased to be binding on mankind. If he had used the word in the singular number - “the Sabbath,” it would then, of course, have been clear that he meant to teach that that commandment had ceased to be binding, and that a Sabbath was no longer to be observed. But the use of the term in the plural number, and the connection, show that he had his eye on the great number of days which were observed by the Hebrews as festivals, as a part of their ceremonial and typical law, and not to the moral law, or the Ten Commandments. No part of the moral law - no one of the ten commandments could be spoken of as “a shadow of good things to come.” These commandments are, from the nature of moral law, of perpetual and universal obligation. ...” - Albert Barnes, Colossians 2:16 Commentary. E-Sword App.

Adam Clarke, states on the same passage:
There is no intimation here that the Sabbath was done away, or that its moral use was superseded, by the introduction of Christianity. I have shown elsewhere that, Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy, is a command of perpetual obligation, and can never be superseded but by the final termination of time. ...” - Adam Clarke, Colossians 2:16 Commentary. E-Sword App.

Jamieson, Fausset and Brown Commentary states:
“... the sabbath — Omit “THE,” which is not in the Greek (compare Note, see on Gal_4:10). “SABBATHS” (not “the sabbaths”) of the day of atonement and feast of tabernacles have come to an end with the Jewish services to which they belonged (Lev_23:32, Lev_23:37-39). The weekly sabbath rests on a more permanent foundation, having been instituted in Paradise to commemorate the completion of creation in six days. Lev_23:38 expressly distinguished “the sabbath of the Lord” from the other sabbaths. A positive precept is right because it is commanded, and ceases to be obligatory when abrogated; a moral precept is commanded eternally, because it is eternally right. If we could keep a perpetual sabbath, as we shall hereafter, the positive precept of the sabbath, one in each week, would not be needed. Heb_4:9, “rests,” Greek, “keeping of sabbath” (Isa_66:23). But we cannot, since even Adam, in innocence, needed one amidst his earthly employments; therefore the sabbath is still needed and is therefore still linked with the other nine commandments, as obligatory in the spirit, though the letter of the law has been superseded by that higher spirit of love which is the essence of law and Gospel alike (Rom_13:8-10). ...” - Jamieson, Fausset and Brown, Colossians 2:16 Commentary. E-Sword App.

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[LoveGodsWord]

Agree, you are quoting Moses, but if you apply the 1st and 2nd commandment, you would not expect people to conform to your beliefs, but accept them as is, like Jesus does. And if they chose to get together on Sunday it makes no difference to their relationship with God, who saved them by grace.

Shalom

No I quoted God who says that the Sabbath is a day of worship in Ezekiel 46:1-3 and Isaiah 66:22-23. According to the scriptures sin is the transgression of the law according to 1 John 3:4. Your not going to try and argue that if someone is living a life of known unrepentant sin and unbelief according to the scriptures that they are in a saved state with God and receive everlasting life now are you (see Hebrews 10:26-31; John 3:36; Matthew 7:13-23; 1 John 2:3-4)?

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[LoveGodsWord]

The new Covenant is Grace, because we are unable to keep the old.

According to the scriptures, Gods' Grace is for obedience to the faith not disobedience to the faith *Romans 1:5; Titus 2:11-12. According to Paul faith does not abolish Gods' law it establishes Gods' law in all those who believe and follow what God's Word says (see Romans 3:31; Romans 13:8-10).