Who are the Nephilim (Genesis 6) ?

[CoreyD]

No it doesn't you are right.

King James Bible
And the coast of Og king of Bashan, which was of the remnant of the giants, that dwelt at Ashtaroth and at Edrei,

Remnants of the Rapha: Giant, Rephaim
Deuteronomy 2:10, 11
10 (The Emim had dwelt there in times past, a people as great and numerous and tall as the Anakim. 11 They were also regarded as [a]giants, like the Anakim, but the Moabites call them Emim.
Footnote

1. Deuteronomy 2:11 Heb. rephaim

The Rephaim were like Anak - tall.
Being tall, and considered a giant, does not make one a Nephilim, or their offspring.
Did any of the Nephilim board the ark? The Bible tells us no... Every living thing outside the ark perished.

 

[Apple Sky]

Did any of the Nephilim board the ark? The Bible tells us no... Every living thing outside the ark perished.

No - We think that a second lot of angels came down a did the same again in Sodom & Gomorrah.

 

[CoreyD]

Men women and children? You need to come with a better reason than just being an enemy.

The Bible gives the reason why God wiped out entire nations - men, women, children, donkeys.. etc. Trees survived. That's all that God said to do not destroy.
Even on occasion, they were not to take any of the spoil.
The nations were that disgusting.

Leviticus 18:24-30; Deuteronomy 7:1-6, 22-26; Deuteronomy 12:29-32; 1 Kings 14:22-24

Deuteronomy 20:15-20
15 Thus you shall do to all the cities which are very far from you, which are not of the cities of these nations.
16 “But of the cities of these peoples which the Lord your God gives you as an inheritance, you shall let nothing that breathes remain alive, 17 but you shall utterly destroy them: the Hittite and the Amorite and the Canaanite and the Perizzite and the Hivite and the Jebusite, just as the Lord your God has commanded you, 18 lest they teach you to do according to all their [a]abominations which they have done for their gods, and you sin against the Lord your God.

19 “When you besiege a city for a long time, while making war against it to take it, you shall not destroy its trees by wielding an ax against them; if you can eat of them, do not cut them down to use in the siege, for the tree of the field is man’s food. 20 Only the trees which you know are not trees for food you may destroy and cut down, to build siegeworks against the city that makes war with you, until it is subdued.

Interestingly, what these nations were doing, was actually influenced by demons - the wicked spirits (angels). Leviticus 17:7; Psalm 106:37

 

[CoreyD]

God’sWord says “also after that” it doesn’t tell us how it happened but it did. You still haven’t come up with a reason God would have women and especially children murdered. Just being an enemy of Israel just doesn’t cut it . Children are innocent! There has to another reason a compassionate merciful God would have innocent children killed. Your explanation goes against the nature of God in scripture.

After what?

Genesis 6:1-4
1 Now it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born to them, 2 that the sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose.

3 And the Lord said, “My Spirit shall not strive[a] with man forever, for he is indeed flesh; yet his days shall be one hundred and twenty years.” 4 There were [b]giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.

 

[CoreyD]

That's what I'm saying. How human, as in able to to impregnate a woman, of course is unknown. But I'd say, probably not. And also the angels in the passages we've brought up, were not fallen angels. Demons are never described as taking on a physical appearance that I know of. Which I figure is a reason why they possess people.

Interesting that you mentioned the demons in Jesus' day, not appearing as human.
Throughout the Bible, it is seen that angels manifest human bodies.
Could it be, the rebellious angels were not able to manifest human bodies after they left God.

 

[CoreyD]

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This part of the verse means the Nephilim were on the earth after the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men. In other words they bare children to them who were the Nephilim.

I thought that was pretty clear.

 

[CoreyD]

How can an angel, a spirit, have relations with a human?

In the same way a machine can have relations with a human.
Artificial insemination is the deliberate introduction of sperm into a female's cervix or uterine cavity for the purpose of achieving a pregnancy through in vivo fertilization by means other than sexual intercourse. It is a fertility treatment for humans, and is a common practice in animal breeding, including dairy cattle and pigs

The angels just need the body, and the seed.
They actually don't need the body, but so as to take wives, and be actually seen, they manifest bodies.
People have claimed to be sexually molested by spirits, and we know this can happen. The spirit creatures even make people sick.

With a touch, an angel put out Jacob's hip, and had him limping.
They know our body better than we know it.

 

[CoreyD]

When did that start? After Joshua's time?

Jude tells us they were punished, and these would be the same ones that Jesus preached to. 2 Peter 3:18

 

[CoreyD]

I hold a more realistic view that Sasquatchs are the Nephilim and they're interdimensional which is how they escaped the flood and why no one has ever captured one.

Sounds like human philosophy.
Where does that come from?
If it's not the Bible, should we consider it when discussing the Biblical account?

 

[CoreyD]

No - We think that a second lot of angels came down a did the same again in Sodom & Gomorrah.

Does that not open the door to think up stories, and then say they happened?
Would it not be in keeping with scripture, to actually not add what is not there, according to the scriptural rule? 1 Corinthians 4:6

 

[Lost4words]

In the same way a machine can have relations with a human.
Artificial insemination is the deliberate introduction of sperm into a female's cervix or uterine cavity for the purpose of achieving a pregnancy through in vivo fertilization by means other than sexual intercourse. It is a fertility treatment for humans, and is a common practice in animal breeding, including dairy cattle and pigs

The angels just need the body, and the seed.
They actually don't need the body, but so as to take wives, and be actually seen, they manifest bodies.
People have claimed to be sexually molested by spirits, and we know this can happen. The spirit creatures even make people sick.

With a touch, an angel put out Jacob's hip, and had him limping.
They know our body better than we know it.

Nope

 

[ozso]

Sounds like human philosophy.
Where does that come from?
If it's not the Bible, should we consider it when discussing the Biblical account?

It was a joke.

 

[ozso]

Interesting that you mentioned the demons in Jesus' day, not appearing as human.
Throughout the Bible, it is seen that angels manifest human bodies.
Could it be, the rebellious angels were not able to manifest human bodies after they left God.

Angel just means messenger. There are different types of beings in the heavenly host. The Seraphim, Cherubim, Ophanim etc. Some of which are pretty strange looking according the the descriptions given of them by Ezekiel and John and others.

 

[Postvieww]

Could it be, the rebellious angels were not able to manifest human bodies after they left God.

What would lead one to think that? Fallen angels are still powerful beings, we see evidence of that in the book of Daniel.

 

[Postvieww]

From post #172: “ Argument From Reason - Angels Not Intended To Marry Concept
Logic would seem to tell us that if angels were never intended to marry (Matt 22:30) or be given in marriage in heaven “ Matthew 22:30 says absolutely nothing about what angels are capable of doing. “Angels of God in heaven” are the context of this verse not fallen angels no longer enjoying the presence of God. Angels of God in His service have no need or desire to engage in fornication as described in the book of Jude. Matthew 22:30 is often used to say angels are not capable of mating with humans but it only states angels of God in heaven do not. There is no need for marriage by the resurrected or angels of God in heaven. To clam more than this is adding to the Word of God what it does not say.

 

[Postvieww]

To help in the reading of Genesis 6:9, here are two other translations of the same verse.

(ESV) These are the generations of Noah. Noah was a righteous man, blameless in his generation. Noah walked with God.

(NASB) These are the records of the generations of Noah. Noah was a righteous man, blameless in his time; Noah walked with God.

You seem to have taken the concept of Noah being perfect among his peers and kin as being some kind of support that angel DNA didn't pollute the genetic line of Noah. But again, there are no verses that explicitly state this, nor are there verses that make any reference to angels (again excluding the disputed verses of Genesis 6:1-4).

The main question to answer here is who is “these are the generations “ referring to ? Contextually I see no alternative other than Noah’s sons. Noah’s son’s are his offspring direct from Noah’s genes. Cherry picking translations here is of no help. Shall we read this passage as Noah was “blameless” among his sons, which makes no sense contextually. “All flesh had corrupted his way on the earth “ , all flesh was corrupted excluding Noah and his sons. You demand specific wording from scripture referring to DNA and make the assumption “sons of God” in Genesis 6 is different from all other references in the OT, with no specific textual reason to do so other than the desire to refute the obvious.

 

[Postvieww]

The Bible gives the reason why God wiped out entire nations - men, women, children, donkeys.. etc. Trees survived. That's all that God said to do not destroy.
Even on occasion, they were not to take any of the spoil.
The nations were that disgusting.

Leviticus 18:24-30; Deuteronomy 7:1-6, 22-26; Deuteronomy 12:29-32; 1 Kings 14:22-24

Deuteronomy 20:15-20
15 Thus you shall do to all the cities which are very far from you, which are not of the cities of these nations.
16 “But of the cities of these peoples which the Lord your God gives you as an inheritance, you shall let nothing that breathes remain alive, 17 but you shall utterly destroy them: the Hittite and the Amorite and the Canaanite and the Perizzite and the Hivite and the Jebusite, just as the Lord your God has commanded you, 18 lest they teach you to do according to all their [a]abominations which they have done for their gods, and you sin against the Lord your God.

19 “When you besiege a city for a long time, while making war against it to take it, you shall not destroy its trees by wielding an ax against them; if you can eat of them, do not cut them down to use in the siege, for the tree of the field is man’s food. 20 Only the trees which you know are not trees for food you may destroy and cut down, to build siegeworks against the city that makes war with you, until it is subdued.

Interestingly, what these nations were doing, was actually influenced by demons - the wicked spirits (angels). Leviticus 17:7; Psalm 106:37

These groups were mainly clans of giants.

 

[Apple Sky]

Did any of the Nephilim board the ark? The Bible tells us no... Every living thing outside the ark perished.

Here is video that may put light on this subject;

 

[CoreyD]

These groups were mainly clans of giants.

Which scriptures can I find support for that being true?

 

[CoreyD]

Here is video that may put light on this subject;

The Bible sheds all the light we need.
Would you not agree? Or do you think videos made by people with their own ideas, is more of a light bearer than the scriptures themselves?

If you post a scripture, or scriptures, that sheds light on it, I will gladly look at it.