The Sabbath Day: Saturday or Sunday?

[Heart2Soul]

I am trying to do some research on what day the Sabbath was originally honored and when did it change if it changed and does it matter?

 

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Sabbath Worship

I fully believe we should all keep all Sabbath, but can never get answers from those that believe in Saturday worship only the answers to my questions:

1. Is a Sabbath a Saturday or is Saturday a Sabbath with other days also Sabbaths like: Passover and the day of Atonement and every day in the year of Jubilee?
   
   
2. Are Christians today to be like the regular Jews of the Old Testament or are we to be like the priestly tribe of the Old Testament?
   
   
3. Are Christians today to be that nation of priests (Ex. 19:6, 1 Peter 2:9) and not just a Jewish like nation?
   
   
4. Did the Priests offer up even more sacrifices and were they doing more worshipping activities on the Sabbaths? If so were the Priests keeping the Sabbath Rest?
   
   
5. Is worship to God “work” by God’s definition?
   
   
6. We know van worship is offering up to God obedience to man’s commands, so could righteous worship be offering up to God obedience to God’s commands?
   
   
7. If Christians are Priests, the temple of God, carrying the altar with them (cross), and constantly offering up themselves as a living sacrifice then: when are Christians not worshipping and should they ever stop?
   
   
8. Did Christ expand the Old Testament commands to include our thoughts and lots more actions?
   
   
9. For the Priests what is the Sabbath Rest and so what is the Sabbath Rest to be for Christians?
   
   
10. Some of the Jewish scholars prior to Christ seemed to have discussed (records are not perfect on this) that there was a coming “Age of Jubilee”, do you see that description fitting the Christian Dispensation we are part of?
    

I think the priests did follow the Sabbath Rest since “worship” is not work and the priests were to worship and not work all the time (the other Jews were to support them). By increasing the commands on Christians and providing a constant partner (the Spirit), Christian’s today can be in constant worship as long as what you are doing is in obedience to God’s commands and that obedience is offered up as worship, so we are in the Sabbath Rest. To suggest today we just do “Sabbath Rest” one day a week is also to suggest the other 6 days are ours?

 

[Heart2Soul]

Sabbath Worship

I fully believe we should all keep all Sabbath, but can never get answers from those that believe in Saturday worship only the answers to my questions:

1. Is a Sabbath a Saturday or is Saturday a Sabbath with other days also Sabbaths like: Passover and the day of Atonement and every day in the year of Jubilee?
   
   
2. Are Christians today to be like the regular Jews of the Old Testament or are we to be like the priestly tribe of the Old Testament?
   
   
3. Are Christians today to be that nation of priests (Ex. 19:6, 1 Peter 2:9) and not just a Jewish like nation?
   
   
4. Did the Priests offer up even more sacrifices and were they doing more worshipping activities on the Sabbaths? If so were the Priests keeping the Sabbath Rest?
   
   
5. Is worship to God “work” by God’s definition?
   
   
6. We know van worship is offering up to God obedience to man’s commands, so could righteous worship be offering up to God obedience to God’s commands?
   
   
7. If Christians are Priests, the temple of God, carrying the altar with them (cross), and constantly offering up themselves as a living sacrifice then: when are Christians not worshipping and should they ever stop?
   
   
8. Did Christ expand the Old Testament commands to include our thoughts and lots more actions?
   
   
9. For the Priests what is the Sabbath Rest and so what is the Sabbath Rest to be for Christians?
   
   
10. Some of the Jewish scholars prior to Christ seemed to have discussed (records are not perfect on this) that there was a coming “Age of Jubilee”, do you see that description fitting the Christian Dispensation we are part of?

I think the priests did follow the Sabbath Rest since “worship” is not work and the priests were to worship and not work all the time (the other Jews were to support them). By increasing the commands on Christians and providing a constant partner (the Spirit), Christian’s today can be in constant worship as long as what you are doing is in obedience to God’s commands and that obedience is offered up as worship, so we are in the Sabbath Rest. To suggest today we just do “Sabbath Rest” one day a week is also to suggest the other 6 days are ours?

I have to say AMEN and I totally agree with what you said. My cousin is trying to convince me I am breaking the Sabbath by going to church on Sunday....I did tell him I would research this since I have never given it any thought and see what I discovered. Thank You!

 

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I believe "Sabbath" is the word "Saturday" is based on. The bible calls it a day of rest. It also says the sabbath was made for man and not man for the sabbath. It is for rest.

Regarding worship, I do it every day. And I meet with other Christians to worship and learn together weekly, on Sunday. But it has nothing to do with the sabbath.

 

[Heart2Soul]

I believe "Sabbath" is the word "Saturday" is based on. The bible calls it a day of rest. It also says the sabbath was made for man and not man for the sabbath. It is for rest.

Regarding worship, I do it every day. And I meet with other Christians to worship and learn together weekly, on Sunday. But it has nothing to do with the sabbath.

So why are these religious leaders condemning those who go to church on Sunday? You know, I was perfectly fine with my Sunday day of Worship but my cousin doesn't want me to perish....which I assured him I was saved and that the day I went to church has nothing to do with salvation but I do not want to be ignorant of this since I have never really studied it.

 

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So why are these religious leaders condemning those who go to church on Sunday? You know, I was perfectly fine with my Sunday day of Worship but my cousin doesn't want me to perish....which I assured him I was saved and that the day I went to church has nothing to do with salvation but I do not want to be ignorant of this since I have never really studied it.

I think a lot of these interdenominational arguments are similar to a car that is out of alignment.

That is, you are fighting the wheel to keep the car in a straight line, but if you let go of the wheel it only veers very slightly to one side or the other.

i.e. we don't disagree on much, but where we do it becomes a really big deal to some people.

I believe people need a day of rest. Pick whatever day you want, but remember that "day of rest" =/= day you choose to worship with other believers. They are two completely different things according to the bible, at least outside of Judeaism.

 

[tulc]

if the goal of getting saved had been making better Jews, then the Sabbath is Saturday and all the Laws apply, if the goal of getting saved wasn't about making better Jews then the Sabbath was done away with in regards to making you required to keep it. If you'd like to keep it you can, just don't judge people who don't, if you don't want to follow the Sabbath Laws then don't judge people who do. I think the main point to take away from this is: "Do what you feel led to do and don't judge people who feel led differently."
tulc(knows it's easier to judge then assume others can follow the Lord in ways that are different from your own but that's how it is)

 

[JackRT]

The early Christian Church was originally no more than another branch of Judaism. They worshipped in temple and synagogue with their Jewish brothers and sisters. In some rare cases, they constituted the majority and were able to control the order of service, readings and such. However, in most cases they were a minority and could not insist on their own readings or rituals. The custom arose that these Jewish-Christians would meet again on the day (our Sunday) following the Sabbath for a service on their own. Tensions rose within the Jewish community until about AD90 when the rabbinical council of Jamniah decided upon the scriptures that would be permissible for use in synagogue services. This effectively ended Christian participation in Sabbath synagogue worship. They did however in most cases continue the tradition of the Sunday services calling it the Lord’s day. This eventually became the norm and was in fact made law by Constantine. In due course theology was invented to justify the change.

 

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if the goal of getting saved had been making better Jews, then the Sabbath is Saturday and all the Laws apply, if the goal of getting saved wasn't about making better Jews then the Sabbath was done away with in regards to making you required to keep it. If you'd like to keep it you can, just don't judge people who don't, if you don't want to follow the Sabbath Laws then don't judge people who do. I think the main point to take away from this is: "Do what you feel led to do and don't judge people who feel led differently."
tulc(knows it's easier to judge then assume others can follow the Lord in ways that are different from your own but that's how it is)

I was in a southern gospel band that would visit local rural small baptist churches. One of the members would talk (over the mic) about the sins of people who were not there and one day I finally reacted.

he said, and I paraphrase, "When I'm driving to church I'll see guys plowing their field or taking a load of hay or tobacco to the barn and ask myself, why isn't that guy in church?!"

To which I responded over my own hot mic, "Maybe they're Seventh day Adventists."

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

The only day that is THE Sabbath is on the 7th day

 

[faroukfarouk]

There is a distinction between Old and New Testaments and between Israel and the church. 1 Corinthians 15.20: "But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept."

 

[Almost there]

The only day that is THE Sabbath is on the 7th day

I agree, though I confess I use the English translation to describe it: Saturday.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

I believe "Sabbath" is the word "Saturday" is based on. The bible calls it a day of rest. It also says the sabbath was made for man and not man for the sabbath. It is for rest.

Regarding worship, I do it every day. And I meet with other Christians to worship and learn together weekly, on Sunday. But it has nothing to do with the sabbath.

The word Saturday is from Saturns day...pagan. The Russian word is Subota...from Sabbath.

 

[Call me Nic]

Colossians 2:16, Romans 14:5. It's a Romans 14 issue. An issue that only causes contention and debate, not one that helps to edify another.

 

[Almost there]

The word Saturday is from Saturns day...pagan. The Russian word is Subota...from Sabbath.

My point is that it is a name for the seventh day of the week.

 

[Doug Melven]

Jesus Christ is our Sabbath, we rest in Him.
The Sabbath in the OT was a shadow of the substance to come, who is Christ.

The Sabbath is not about a day of the week. Jesus is our Sabbath. Sabbath means rest. In Gen 2:2 it
says that God rested. Hebrew word is Shabat, from where we get Sabbath. Hebrews 3 talks about the
Sabbath not being a day, but a rest for the people of God. In Matt 11:28 Jesus says "Come unto me all
who labor and I will give you rest." The book of Hewbrews is all about the superiority of Jesus.
This concurs with the Gospel, we rest/trust in Jesus for everything. If we labor, we will get nowhere
but further from God. We may as well beat our heads against a brick wall to break it down. That wall
is a wall of sin. It would be completely futile to do anything to that wall. But thanks to Jesus that
wall has been put away. It still remains for people who will not trust Jesus.

People who focus on it being a certain day, miss the true meaning of Sabbath. Those are resting in Christ are the ones who are actually keeping the Sabbath.
Those who make it about a certain day normally attach a lot of rules that need to be kept to observe Sabbath.
You can only walk so far.
Some will even tell you that to use electricity is on Sabbath day is breaking the Sabbath.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Those are resting in Christ are the ones who are actually keeping the Sabbath.
Those who make it about a certain day normally attach a lot of rules that need to be kept to observe Sabbath.
You can only walk so far.
Some will even tell you that to use electricity is on Sabbath day is breaking the Sabbath.

So by NOT keeping the Sabbath, you are actually keeping it better than someone who does keep the Sabbath...?? Um, really? Many of the rules the Rabbis put around Shabbat were a hedge so there was no way you would break it. Many are manmade rules.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

I agree, though I confess I use the English translation to describe it: Saturday.

of course, I was just pointing out where it did come from

 

[chevyontheriver]

I believe "Sabbath" is the word "Saturday" is based on. The bible calls it a day of rest. It also says the sabbath was made for man and not man for the sabbath. It is for rest.

Saturday is literally 'Saturn's day' in honor of the Roman deity Saturn. Nothing Christian or Jewish about that. Otherdays of the week are similar. Thursday is 'Thor's day'. And so it goes.

 

[Heart2Soul]

So by NOT keeping the Sabbath, you are actually keeping it better than someone who does keep the Sabbath...?? Um, really? Many of the rules the Rabbis put around Shabbat were a hedge so there was no way you would break it. Many are manmade rules.

I really want to agree with you on this because I am totally against religious doctrines that get people bogged down with religious doctrines that will profit nothing except to create more bondage.