Paul vs Christ?

[SabbathBlessings]

Yes, why one should not interpret Paul's writings as contradicting everything Jesus said, taught and kept. Paul was a follower of Christ, he wasn't commissioned to teach against everything Christ taught, how confusing would that be. Hence 2 Peter 3:15-16 and why they must work in harmony to Jesus, not against His teachings.

 

[Leaf473]

We absolutely want to follow the instructions from God in place for us in our time

Whoever doesn't have a sword, let them sell their jacket and buy one Luke 22

 

[Leaf473]

Paul's writings don't contradict Jesus, they show how what Jesus taught applies in the New Covenant

 

[Leaf473]

Turn your eyes upon Jesus,
Look full in his wonderful face,
And the things of Earth will grow strangely dim

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Jesus taught to keep the commandment through love John 14:15 not to break the least of them Mat 5:19 and when keeping our rules over obeying the commandments of God quoting right from the unit of Ten, ones heart is far from Him and leads one in a ditch Mat 15:3-14 so Paul writings must be in light of what Jesus taught and lived, otherwise 2 Peter 3:16 applies. Jesus is our example to follow if we abide in Him John 15:10 1 john 2:6. But we are given free will to see how it all works out in the end, despite Jesus already telling us Mat 7:21-23 Rev 22:14-15

 

[trophy33]

1. The Sabbath was a part of the Mosaic Law and of the Mosaic Law only.
2. The Law was only for Jews, since Moses till Christ.
3. The book of Genesis was a prologue to the Mosaic Law, its not meant for all people in all times and its creation accounts are not literal history.

 

[Leaf473]

Jesus did teach us to keep God's commandments, and showed us how it's to be done

Treat other people the way you want to be treated

 

[Leaf473]

1. The Sabbath was a part of the Mosaic Law and of the Mosaic Law only.
2. The Law was only for Jews, since Moses till Christ.
3. The book of Genesis was a prologue to the Mosaic Law, its not meant for all people in all times and its creation accounts are not literal history.

Makes sense to me

 

[SabbathBlessings]

According to Christ the Sabbath is for all flesh, it wont be just the Jews saved in the New Heaven and New Earth and there is no Jew or Gentile, just those grafted in by faith Gal 2:26-28 obeying God because of love John 14:15

And it shall come to pass That from one New Moon to another, And from one Sabbath to another, All flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the LORD.

Jesus will never force one to worship Him on the Sabbath, why His Judgment is one of love

 

[Leaf473]

The Sabbath was made for everyone, I don't think the Sabbath commandment was

But I praise God for the Sabbath, amen

Psalm 145:5
I will meditate on the glorious majesty of your honor, on your wondrous works

 

[trophy33]

According to Christ the Sabbath is for all flesh

This is absurdly false. Quote Christ saying this.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Pro 30:5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart,
And lean not on your own understanding;
6 In all your ways acknowledge Him,
And He shall [b]direct your paths.


Isa 56:1 Thus says the Lord:

“Keep justice, and do righteousness,
For My salvation is about to come,
And My righteousness to be revealed.
2 Blessed is the man who does this,
And the son of man who lays hold on it;
Who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And keeps his hand from doing any evil.”

6 “Also the sons of the foreigner
Who join themselves to the Lord, to serve Him,
And to love the name of the Lord, to be His servants—
Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And holds fast My covenant

Isa 66:22 “For as the new heavens and the new earth
Which I will make shall remain before Me,” says the Lord,
“So shall your descendants and your name remain.
23 And it shall come to pass
That from one New Moon to another,
And from one Sabbath to another,
All flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the Lord.

When we think we know God's words better than He, that's not a place I would want to be in. No one forces us to believe Christ, I believe He knows the difference between man and Jew Mark 2:27 but without faith in Christ, which would be through His teachings, not a good place to be in. Heb 11:6

 

[trophy33]

Pro 30:5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart,
And lean not on your own understanding;
6 In all your ways acknowledge Him,
And He shall [b]direct your paths.


Isa 56:1 Thus says the Lord:

“Keep justice, and do righteousness,
For My salvation is about to come,
And My righteousness to be revealed.
2 Blessed is the man who does this,
And the son of man who lays hold on it;
Who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And keeps his hand from doing any evil.”

6 “Also the sons of the foreigner
Who join themselves to the Lord, to serve Him,
And to love the name of the Lord, to be His servants—
Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And holds fast My covenant

Isa 66:22 “For as the new heavens and the new earth
Which I will make shall remain before Me,” says the Lord,
“So shall your descendants and your name remain.
23 And it shall come to pass
That from one New Moon to another,
And from one Sabbath to another,
All flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the Lord.

So not "according to Christ", but according to the author of Isaiah. And its a prophetical language for Jews, not a commandment for Christians.

Be more honest, more careful and less manipulative in your posts.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

It has a thus saith the Lord, no manipulation in Christ's teaching, just believe Him . If we don't trust God's Word, not sure why one would be on a Christian forum. Faith comes by hearing Romans 10:17

 

[Leaf473]

Pro 30:5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart,
And lean not on your own understanding;
6 In all your ways acknowledge Him,
And He shall [b]direct your paths.


Isa 56:1 Thus says the Lord:

“Keep justice, and do righteousness,
For My salvation is about to come,
And My righteousness to be revealed.
2 Blessed is the man who does this,
And the son of man who lays hold on it;
Who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And keeps his hand from doing any evil.”

6 “Also the sons of the foreigner
Who join themselves to the Lord, to serve Him,
And to love the name of the Lord, to be His servants—
Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And holds fast My covenant

Isa 66:22 “For as the new heavens and the new earth
Which I will make shall remain before Me,” says the Lord,
“So shall your descendants and your name remain.
23 And it shall come to pass
That from one New Moon to another,
And from one Sabbath to another,
All flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the Lord.

When we think we know God's words better than He, that's not a place I would want to be in. No one forces us to believe Christ, I believe He knows the difference between man and Jew Mark 2:27 but without faith in Christ, which would be through His teachings, not a good place to be in. Heb 11:6

Isaiah 56 goes on to say

I will bring these to my holy mountain,
and make them joyful in my house of prayer.
Their burnt offerings and their sacrifices will be accepted on my altar;
for my house will be called a house of prayer for all peoples

 

[Leaf473]

It has a thus saith the Lord, no manipulation just believe Him . If we don't trust God's Word, not sure why one would be on a Christian forum. Hearing is believing Romans 10:17

There are a ton of "thus saith the Lord"s in the King James

Malachi 2:4
And ye shall know that I have sent this commandment unto you, that my covenant might be with Levi, saith the Lord of hosts

 

[trophy33]

It has a thus saith the Lord, no manipulation just believe Him . If we don't trust God's Word, not sure why one would be on a Christian forum. Hearing is believing Romans 10:17

Christ is the third person of the Trinity, born as a man in the times of Augustus, under the Law, sent to Israel.

"Lord" in Isaiah means Yah-weh, not Christ - if you cared to be precise in your statements, sometimes.

 

[JesusFollowerForever]

Scripture is clear about the sabbath, from the old testament to the new testament with living examples from the creation to the Apostles. Both Paul and Jesus did follow the sabbath AND yet some people still refuse the words of GOD.

To the people here, who refute the Sabbath, what do you say, what bible proofs do you have that say that the sabbath cannot be followed today? Write them down here and lets have a look.

just remember that there were many different sabbaths under the mosaic law, here I am talking about the fourth commandment, the sabbath command part of the Moral law also called the 10 commandments and also the described as the Covenant. please do not use verses that refer to these other sabbaths, if you are not certain, please refer to bible commentaries, they may guide you. these bible commentaries are available on Biblehub;

Colossians 2:16 Commentaries: Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day--

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Peace

 

[DamianWarS]

You don't seem to be following

2 Peter 3:16 as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures.

There is no destruction of keeping the Sabbath commandment only blessings Isa 56:2 Eze 20:12 Eze 20:20 Rev 22:14 Isa 66:23

There is destruction thus saith the Lord for not keeping the Sabbath Exo 31:14, Eze 20:13 Eze 20:21 Jer 17:27 Isa 66:17 Rev 22:15 Eze 22:26

So one cannot interpret 2 Peter 3:16 Col 2:14-17 as Paul telling us not to keep the Sabbath because there is destruction for disobeying God's commandments as the verse says and the consequence of sinning as shown in the scriptures all are thus saith the Lord. Col 2:14-17 is not about God's finger-written commandments that are holy and blessed by God but Moses handwritten ordinances that were contrary and against placed besides God's Ten Commandments Deut 31:24-26 which came after the fall of man and includes the yearly sabbaths ordinances that had to do with food and drink offerings the context of this passage.

I don't think you are the one following. Any commentary regarding Col 2:14-17 is an interpretation of something Paul said and may fall under suscpisicon of 2 Peter 3:16 "difficult to understand" clause. You cannot point the finger at someone saying their interpretation is false while yours is correct if you use 2 Peter 3:16 as your reasons because it's a double standard and the same measure is applied to you.

Paul is also not telling anyone to not keep the sabbath in Colossians and I don't think anyone here is saying that so I'm not sure why you've turned it into that. He is saying there is no foundation to judge anyone by how they keep or not keep these things. For example I don't judge you, I applaud your spirit of worship on the Sabbath, in like manner you also should not judge me but instead edify/encourage.

By saying these things Paul implicitly addresses these days and how we keep them as non-moral issues. So new moon/religious festivals and Sabbath observance are all not addressing moral behaviour so we should not be concerned with how others keep or not keep them provided their actions still remain moral. For example he would categorically codem some sort of public sexual ceremony as that address moral behaviour but he does not codem how we obverse the events in context as keeping or not keeping are not a moral issue.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

I don't think you are the one following. Any commentary regarding Col 2:14-17 is an interpretation of something Paul said and may fall under suscpisicon of 2 Peter 3:16 "difficult to understand" clause. You cannot point the finger at someone saying their interpretation is false while yours is correct if you use 2 Peter 3:16 as your reasons because it's a double standard and the same measure is applied to you.

Paul is also not telling anyone to not keep the sabbath in Colossians and I don't think anyone here is saying that so I'm not sure why you've turned it into that. He is saying there is no foundation to judge anyone by how they keep or not keep these things. For example I don't judge you, I applaud your spirit of worship on the Sabbath, in like manner you also should not judge me but instead edify/encourage.

By saying these things Paul implicitly addresses these days and how we keep them as non-moral issues. So new moon/religious festivals and Sabbath observance are all not addressing moral behaviour so we should not be concerned with how others keep or not keep them provided their actions still remain moral. For example he would categorically codem some sort of public sexual ceremony as that address moral behaviour but he does not codem how we obverse the events in context as keeping or not keeping are not a moral issue.

Jesus said to keep God’s commandments and kept the Sabbath, if you wish to believe Paul taught against what Jesus taught and lived, and taught against every thus saith the Lord on the Sabbath and God was against man from Creation, thats your free will. I do not believe Paul taught one to sin 1 John 3:4 Rom 7:7 and dishonor God by breaking His law Rom 2:21-23 but guess all will get sorted out soon enough