Is God eventually going to punish evil humans ?

[BCP1928]

So everyone is evil, because God made us that way,
and he will punish everyone for it?

Unless they vote for Trump, apparently.

 

[Whyayeman]

Unless they vote for Trump, apparently.

Ah, but surely Trump would be among the first to feel the hot breath of Divine Wrath!

 

[David Lamb]

And then he changed everything. ( according to Bible anyway)

Well, if you mean that when Adam and Eve disobeyed Him, everything changed, then you are correct, but just to say "He changed everything" could give the totally wrong impression that God keeps arbitrarily changing the way He orders His creation.

 

[Astrid]

Unless they vote for Trump, apparently.

It's kinda nice living here where I've no
responsibility for the success of said man of destiny.

 

[Astrid]

Well, if you mean that when Adam and Eve disobeyed Him, everything changed, then you are correct, but just to say "He changed everything" could give the totally wrong impression that God keeps arbitrarily changing the way He orders His creation.

" Everything changed"

We note the use of the passive
voice, typically a way to evade responsibility.

"It broke", not "I broke it."

Who do you think "changed everything"?

 

[Astrid]

Well, if you mean that when Adam and Eve disobeyed Him, everything changed, then you are correct, but just to say "He changed everything" could give the totally wrong impression that God keeps arbitrarily changing the way He orders His creation.

Arbitrary?

"unrestrained in autocratic exercise of power"
is exactly what "god" is about.

And we note that the story has it that " he" made other
abrupt, major changes, plans for more.

 

[Larniavc]

No He didn't. We are told:

“Then God saw everything that He had made, and indeed [it was] very good. So the evening and the morning were the sixth day.” (Ge 1:31 NKJV)

If as you claim we were created perfect there would have been no capacity to sin.

Either God made us specifically with capacity to sin or he didn’t. If he made us not to sin we would be unable to.

If he made us able to sin he did that on purpose knowing that humans would sin.

He knew who would sin and who would not. He did not even need to breathe life into a person to know their entire history of sinning.

It would be like knowingly building an entity sub-standard and the punishing it for being created imperfectly.

Weird.

 

[Larniavc]

but just to say "He changed everything" could give the totally wrong impression that God keeps arbitrarily changing the way He orders His creation.

His nature changed dramatically over time. For example time was he demanded little kid’s heads bashed in and men women and donkeys to be slain to the last child.

God used to think it was fine to kill the first born children when he was annoyed.

So can you honestly say God hasn’t changed over time?

He also changed the laws of physics so that rainbows exist.

 

[Tinker Grey]

'Good" is not " perfect".

Your friend did not claim " perfect".

To be fair, @Larniavc's interlocutor contradicted Larniavc's statement that God made us imperfect. @David Lamb's response was "No, he did not."

That contradiction implies perfect, regardless of what verse was quoted.

 

[Astrid]

To be fair, @Larniavc's interlocutor contradicted Larniavc's statement that God made us imperfect. @David Lamb's response was "No, he did not."

That contradiction implies perfect, regardless of what verse was quoted.

My correction stands corrected

 

[partinobodycular]

I've encountered a psychopath

I'm aware of your history.

 

[MassimoTheChristian]

Pace Meister Eckhart, God does not destroy creatures but brings them to fulfillment. Apparently, that's a long, drawn out process. If y'all would start acting right, we could get on with it.

Why does God make it a long process ?

 

[MassimoTheChristian]

High on the 4th floor of the Acme Building,
One man
is still trying to find the answers
to Life's persistent questions

I'm not Willie coyote.

 

[Astrid]

I'm not Willie coyote.

Guy Noir

 

[partinobodycular]

Why does God make it a long process ?

For some things the beauty doesn't lie in the destination... it lies in the journey

 

[Gregory Thompson]

And if so what's the wait for ? God could just snap his mighty fingers and boom all the evil people are erased out of existence I don't know why God simply won't do this.

There was this story in an old book, it spoke of an old farmer planting seeds in a field. However, when he woke up there were weeds planted alongside his crop seeds.

The farmer knew that he didn't plant the seeds for the weeds, but ripping them out of the ground would harm the crops growing alongside them.

Thus the farmer waited until harvest and then separated the weeds and the crops.

According to the story, the harvest was figurative for the end of the world, so we'll be waiting for a long time.

In a sense, anything that would kill "the bad ones" would also kill "the good ones" at the same time so ..

 

[Astrid]

There was this story in an old book, it spoke of an old farmer planting seeds in a field. However, when he woke up there were weeds planted alongside his crop seeds.

The farmer knew that he didn't plant the seeds for the weeds, but ripping them out of the ground would harm the crops growing alongside them.

Thus the farmer waited until harvest and then separated the weeds and the crops.

According to the story, the harvest was figurative for the end of the world, so we'll be waiting for a long time.

In a sense, anything that would kill "the bad ones" would also kill "the good ones" at the same time so ..

Unusual limitations for an omnipotent God.

Farmers are real good at dealing with weeds.

 

[Tinker Grey]

In a sense, anything that would kill "the bad ones" would also kill "the good ones" at the same time so ..

You'd think zn omnipotent god could do better.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

You'd think zn omnipotent god could do better.

From a western rationalist standpoint this might seem reasonable, but everything is more connected than we might imagine.

 

[VCR-2000]

Yes, but I don't know what he's waiting for.