Is God eventually going to punish evil humans ?

[David Lamb]

Let's not overstep our bounds here and claim to know for sure what even Jesus himself didn't know for sure, ok.

Matthew 19:25–26 (NKJV): 25 When His disciples heard it, they were greatly astonished, saying, “Who then can be saved?” 26 But Jesus looked at them and said to them, “With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”

This answer/response from Jesus reveals three things. A- He didn't know how many, or whether it would be many or few being saved. And B- But that he had a hope that it would wind up being many that would end up being saved. And then C- But that it was ultimately only up to both his and our God the Father as to whether it would be many or few being saved.

We should not be overstepping our bounds in trying to claim we know beyond these things, etc.

We will know, or will find out when Jesus comes back. Or else we will find out at the very end of this whole entire creations age or ending if we don't find out then maybe, etc.

So be careful how you are judging in the meantime, ok.

God Bless.

Sorry, but I don't see where it says in the verses you mentioned that Jesus didn't know how many, or whether it would be many or few being saved, or that He hoped that it would end up being many that would finally be saved. He is answering the question from the disciples, "Who then can be saved?" (The context is the words of Jesus about how difficult it is for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.) Jesus answers that with men it is impossible, but not with God. Nothing about how few or many would be saved, nothing about Him not knowing how many, or hoping that many would be saved.

 

[SavedByGrace3]

Galatians 6:7-8 KJV
7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

 

[RileyG]

Galatians 6:7-8 KJV
7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

It's all in God's hands.

 

[com7fy8]

And if so what's the wait for ? God could just snap his mighty fingers and boom all the evil people are erased out of existence I don't know why God simply won't do this.

God's inaction would seem to suggest a number of different possibilities.

1. There is no God
2. There are no evil people
3. There are no non-evil people
4. Erasing evil people would itself be evil, therefore to avoid hypocrisy God would need to erase Himself

Personally, I'm leaning toward #2, there are no evil people... there's just people.

I can think of other possibilities >
a. God is keeping evil people here while He adopts some number of them to become His children.
b. God is using what evil people do for His purpose, like we see happened in Genesis 37-50. And we see how Jesus on the cross has been used for so much good.
c. Evil people are containers (Romans 9:21) for the spirit of evil > "the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience," we have in Ephesians 2:2. Instead of letting Satan's evil and nasty spirit get totally loose all over the place, God has evil in order, with the spirit of evil contained in evil people who are transporting it to the flaming sewer which burns with fire and brimstone.
d. God does not want evil people to perish and to suffer in hell; so He has them here for a while; but evil people can't stand Jesus: they could suffer more in the bright presence of Jesus, than in the fire of hell which is not so intense. Satanic people are so stupidly anti-love and stubborn, that only fire can contain and control them.
e. We are getting a lesson > evil people are getting opportunities to have pleasures, but look at what they are doing with it all, right while every one of them could have enough and not hurt anyone else. This is a demonstration that we might learn from.
f. God is being generous and kind to evil people > "God resists the proud," we have in James 4:6 and in 1 Peter 5:5. God's resistance helps to keep evil people from doing as much horrible stuff as they would. And God is giving them some nice things to help them not feel their own deep horribleness so much. But we see the lesson > enough is never enough, for ones of greedy lusts which can not ever be satisfied > so we are the wiser to get away from that and trust in Jesus who gives us "rest for your souls" (in Matthew 11:29). In His love's rest we have unconditional satisfaction so we are not depending on foolish pleasures for peace and love and happiness. Our preference is for love, not for pleasure!! But evil people are desperate for pleasure so they don't feel their misery of boredom and loneliness and unforgiveness and nasty anger and cruel hatred.
g. Therefore Jesus died on the cross for everyone; everyone needs Jesus. And even though many people refuse Jesus and choose unforgiveness, still Jesus is getting everyone blessed somehow, at least with God's caring resistance and with certain nicer things of this life. But the best way to take advantage of Jesus on the cross is to trust in Him for salvation and so we are adopted by our Father to spend eternity with God and with one another as His family.

 

[Neogaia777]

Let's not overstep our bounds here and claim to know for sure what even Jesus himself didn't know for sure, ok.

Matthew 19:25–26 (NKJV): 25 When His disciples heard it, they were greatly astonished, saying, “Who then can be saved?” 26 But Jesus looked at them and said to them, “With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”

This answer/response from Jesus reveals three things. A- He didn't know how many, or whether it would be many or few being saved. And B- But that he had a hope that it would wind up being many that would end up being saved. And then C- But that it was ultimately only up to both his and our God the Father as to whether it would be many or few being saved.

We should not be overstepping our bounds in trying to claim we know beyond these things, etc.

We will know, or will find out when Jesus comes back. Or else we will find out at the very end of this whole entire creations age or ending if we don't find out then maybe, etc.

So be careful how you are judging in the meantime, ok.

God Bless.

This post has also led me to conclude that, well, for one, that neither One of Them fully knew these things for sure fully for one, and then for another, They also didn't fully know or truly understand how God the Father was/is going to judge, or already has judged either, for another, etc, and that neither One of Them ever really truly knew or ever really fully understood true judgement, etc, which was probably why Jesus Christ had to go where he had to go or did, with the promise to return from there one day with God the Father's true judgements in hand, which might turn out to be a very, very different kind of judgement from what any of us ever knew, or were told by the other Two, or were told by any of their followers from before that, previously before that, etc.

But having the revelation now that neither one of these Two ever really knew or ever really fully understand true judgement, on top of everything else they claimed to be, and yet did not fully know, etc, is a now a heavy burden to bear upon me now, etc. It definitely, definitely changes my view or greatly alters my perception about a few things, and I am right now not at all liking my already predetermined course or foreordained destiny in this, etc.

I'm wondering why it was just only me that was meant to come to this and try to tell it to the rest of you, etc.

It was not what I was seeking out, or sought out, or expected to find, and it's kind of making me a little bit angry now discovering this, etc.

How were either one of Them any different from any of us, etc?

It seems that none has been able to eat the fruit from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil yet successfully.

And is probably why I have always found verses in the Bible that do speak about judgement, or what is required or not to be "saved", to be contradictory a lot of the time, etc.

God Bless.

 

[Hazelelponi]

And if so what's the wait for ? God could just snap his mighty fingers and boom all the evil people are erased out of existence I don't know why God simply won't do this.

Because we are in tribulation. Being refined in fire.

He Is Like a Refiner's Fire

If God were only an incinerating fire, heaven would be empty. And if he were no fire, heaven would be empty.

www.desiringgod.org

When God judges people/nations, He leaves them to their own devices so when their destruction comes they can't blame anyone but themselves. That takes quite a few years.

For example If America hits economic collapse, has multiple terrorist attacks and becomes generally unsafe and Christians eventually are persecuted here whose fault is it but the fault of our own?

We can't wring our hands after voting a bunch of Marxist's into office year after year and cry foul because history is replete with examples of why we shouldn't have ever voted for them in the first place. They have historically bad policies that historically kill people, usually in the millions.

For Christians tribulation is what strengthens us, this is how we become truly God's people and get to know Him more as we get to know ourselves and all our weaknesses and how His Strength makes us stronger, strong enough to face each day in Him.

For unbelievers this is judgement. Their own thoughts betraying them.. they will be without excuse.

For 2,000 years God is holding back His actual Wrath with one Hand, while with the Other Hand is inviting all who will come, to come to Him.

This state won't last forever.

When you see it all together intertwined like this, you can see the Romans 8:22-24 groaning of creation awaiting it's redemption..

 

[Neogaia777]

This post has also led me to conclude that, well, for one, that neither One of Them fully knew these things for sure fully for one, and then for another, They also didn't fully know or truly understand how God the Father was/is going to judge, or already has judged either, for another, etc, and that neither One of Them ever really truly knew or ever really fully understood true judgement, etc, which was probably why Jesus Christ had to go where he had to go or did, with the promise to return from there one day with God the Father's true judgements in hand, which might turn out to be a very, very different kind of judgement from what any of us ever knew, or were told by the other Two, or were told by any of their followers from before that, previously before that, etc.

But having the revelation now that neither one of these Two ever really knew or ever really fully understand true judgement, on top of everything else they claimed to be, and yet did not fully know, etc, is a now a heavy burden to bear upon me now, etc. It definitely, definitely changes my view or greatly alters my perception about a few things, and I am right now not at all liking my already predetermined course or foreordained destiny in this, etc.

I'm wondering why it was just only me that was meant to come to this and try to tell it to the rest of you, etc.

It was not what I was seeking out, or sought out, or expected to find, and it's kind of making me a little bit angry now discovering this, etc.

How were either one of Them any different from any of us, etc?

It seems that none has been able to eat the fruit from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil yet successfully.

And is probably why I have always found verses in the Bible that do speak about judgement, or what is required or not to be "saved", to be contradictory a lot of the time, etc.

God Bless.

I'm a little bit calmer now. I'm not angry at Them or anything, I just don't like what I've found.

None of Them lied to us about anything, but to call, at least one of Them at least, "innocent" isn't the term I'd prefer to use, but rather "blameless" preferably probably, as I also know neither one of Them ever lied, and didn't ever sin ever either, etc. It probably was not an easy line or road to walk, but at least one of Them did it, and did it well, etc.

I told him/Them I didn't think I could do it, etc. And not just that I couldn't do it, but that I think myself totally incapable of doing it the way that at least one of Them did it, etc. But then I was asked about the people I was studying with right now, and whether I was not right now "learning to do it", etc? And I couldn't give an adequate answer, etc. I'm studying with a group of people right now that I am keeping a lot of things from right now, etc, but it's with the ultimate goal of hopefully one day winning them for Christ, etc, but I can't reveal a lot of what I know to them right now, not right away anyway, because there not anywhere close to being ready for it yet, or of being able to recieve it yet, etc, so maybe I am learning that sometimes absolute full disclosure, right away, may not sometimes always be for the best maybe, etc?

But, the point about neither one of Them (or their followers) fully knowing judgement though? They could spell out what was most of the time either good or bad, or what might be beneficial to our salvation, and what maybe sometimes or most of the time might not be, etc, but neither one of Them (just like the rest of us) could ever point to a specific person or a certain individual, and say "By the Father's judgement for 100% sure this one was most certainly going to Heaven in the afterlife", or to another one and say "By the Father's judgement for 100% certain this one certainly stands for sure forever condemned, and is for sure going to hell in the afterlife", etc, and that upset me a bit, etc. Guess I should just get over it and be grateful though. After all am I not right now doing the very same kind of thing with the people I am studying with right now, etc? People's assumptions are no one else's responsibility or fault but their own after all, right? And maybe we have assumed too much about Them, instead of just listening to what They said or had to say maybe, etc?

Anyway, that's enough for now.

I need to think upon this, etc.

Oh and, don't worry, I already know I might as well be speaking to the wind here, something else They are right now letting me know about full disclosure right away, etc. It does no good to talk to anyone about anything, or things that they are no where even anywhere near ready to try and accept or understand yet, and is why I should focus on other things instead, etc. You know, things like information that might actually save, or do some actual good maybe, and other things like that, etc, so I really don't expect this to go anywhere really, etc, I'm just mainly talking to myself here mainly, or might as well be, etc.

Anyway, I'm still learning, etc.

God Bless.

 

[ruthiesea]

And if so what's the wait for ? God could just snap his mighty fingers and boom all the evil people are erased out of existence I don't know why God simply won't do this.

I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things. ~ Isaiah 45:7

 

[BNR32FAN]

And if so what's the wait for ? God could just snap his mighty fingers and boom all the evil people are erased out of existence I don't know why God simply won't do this.

Probably because He knows something that we don’t. Like maybe that a lot of believers will eventually be born from these wicked people.

 

[dlamberth]

And if so what's the wait for ? God could just snap his mighty fingers and boom all the evil people are erased out of existence I don't know why God simply won't do this.

I'm just not into a God that acts like a Roman/Greek pagan god sitting on a throne up high in the sky ready to snap fingers of vengeance against those deemed worthy of judgement.

 

[David Lamb]

I'm just not into a God that acts like a Roman/Greek pagan god sitting on a throne up high in the sky ready to snap fingers of vengeance against those deemed worthy of judgement.

Do you mean that you don't believe that God judges sinners at all, or just that He doesn't do it in the way the Romans and Greeks believed their gods did? God certainly does judge sinners:

“And do you think this, O man, you who judge those practicing such things, and doing the same, that you will escape the judgment of God?” (Ro 2:3 NKJV)

 

[JEBofChristTheLord]

I'm just not into a God that acts like a Roman/Greek pagan god sitting on a throne up high in the sky ready to snap fingers of vengeance against those deemed worthy of judgement.

Indeed, the Roman, Greek, Persian, Aztec, and other false ones, were known as neither just, righteous, nor merciful. They were said to snap fingers of vengeance at their whim. And the Father in Heaven does not snap fingers of vengeance at whims. He is very slow to anger indeed. And the only righteous vengeance there is, is His, and He shall take it. And when He takes vengeance, it is awful, and great, and terrible for those against whom He takes it.

 

[Dan1988]

And if so what's the wait for ? God could just snap his mighty fingers and boom all the evil people are erased out of existence I don't know why God simply won't do this.

God has appointed a day when He will judge everyone who ever lived. It's called judgement day, that day will come when the last of His elect are added to His Church (The Body of Christ).

God can't erase anyone out of existence, because He created everyone to be eternal. But everyone will spend eternity in one of two places, Gods people will spend eternity in paradise and the rest will be tormented ion hell for all eternity.

 

[ViaCrucis]

Wanting to see "the bad people" punished is a very human thing. Part of it is a sense of justice--a recognition of a wrong that needs to be righted somehow. But equally at play is a sense of vengeance, it's often less about righting a wrong and more about wanting those who hurt us to also be hurt.

The means of God's justice, primarily, as it unfolds in the biblical drama reaching a climax in the Person of Jesus and revealed in the life of Jesus is not a God who hurts the people we think need to be hurt; but a God who simultaneously beholds the innate goodness of His human creation and the deep wrongness in the world and desires to see His good creation prosper, and to prosper means to be set free from the wickedness and injustice that oppresses them and which they use to oppress others. So that both oppressed and oppressor are brought into a state of reconciliation and peace.

In the story of Jonah we see this in action. In the story of Jonah, Jonah is sent to the capital city of the Assyrian Empire, Nineveh, to preach repentance to the people. Jonah refuses, he knows that God is merciful and if the people repent God will show compassion. He doesn't want the Ninevites to repent, he wants them to suffer. After all, the Assyrians were an enemy of Israel, inflicting pain and suffering. The Northern Kingdom was entirely destroyed by the Assyrians, and thousands were taken captive. Assyria is one of several major ancient world powers that has the "villain" status in the narratives of Israel. Add to them Egypt and Babylon, and we get effectively the trifecta evil national powers in the biblical drama. Yet here, Jonah is sent on a mission of reconciliation, to preach repentance, in order that the people have opportunity to turn from their evil ways and find peace with Israel's God. Throughout the story Jonah keeps refusing, and God causes several things to happen to teach the reluctant prophet lesson after lesson. Eventually Jonah does what he was supposed to do, and in the end Nineveh repents. Jonah, however, remains unhappy with the results.

Speaking of Egypt and Assyria, in the book of the Prophet Isaiah we see something very interesting. There is a future gaze to a time of reconciliation and peace, where Israel/Judah, Egypt, and Assyria are not enemies, but sisters. The old wounds have healed, the animosities have faded away, and peace has come, reconciliation has come between the oppressor-powers and the oppressed--and there is a life of peace under the universal God of mercy.

At the same time, even as mercy is preached to Israel's enemies; so often is judgment preached to Israel herself. The problem of evil, the problem of injustice, isn't the monopoly of "the bad guys", it's also right here among "the good guys". Because there really isn't such a thing as good guys and bad guys. There's only human beings, and human beings are messy, complicated, and broken creatures. The problem of evil isn't an external problem, but an internal one. The problem of evil runs right through the middle of each person. Whether it's the figure of Pharaoh in the story of the Exodus, or the figure of the patriarchs and kings of Israel. The biblical villains and the biblical heroes are all flawed, broken, messy people. Nobody has clean hands, everybody has dirty hands. Being an Israelite doesn't excuse behaving badly, and being from one of the foreign hostile nations doesn't mean one is beyond redemption. We have story after story of God's people behaving badly, and those among the hostile nations doing things right. We have Rahab, a Canaanite prostitute, who is praised for her virtue in defending Joshua and Caleb. Ruth, a Moabite woman who voluntarily gives up her former identity and follows her mother-in-law Naomi, and so on and so forth.

It, then, isn't strange then that we have statements in the Gospels where Jesus rebukes the hypocrisy of the religious leadership, and tells them that simply saying "Abraham is our father" doesn't mean anything if they aren't acting like it, "God can turn these stones into Abraham's children". Later Paul will speak of Abraham as the father of everyone who has faith, and that it was never about who your parents were, but rather trust in God and the promises of God.

The language of judgment is frequently turned on its head throughout the Bible; it's not "the bad people over there" that are going to be judged severely, it's we ourselves who are going to face the harshness of judgment for thinking that we can rest on our laurels, as though it were enough that we have the right religion, or belong to the right tribe, or are part of the "good guys"--when what matters is faith and the life of faith flowing out into how we treat others, especially those who are often deemed unworthy of just and good treatment.

Jesus speaks of how it will be better for Sodom on the day of judgment than for those in His day, He also speaks of Tyre and Sidon. Jesus specifically mentions places of infamy as facing a less harsh judgment. It's not "those icky people over there" that we all agree to hate that will face the harsh realities of Judgment; instead it's all of us "good people" who are going to face the harsh realities of Judgment.

When we understand this we understand that God's way of doing things isn't to be our personal angel of vengeance against all the people we think deserve to be punished. Instead God's way of doing things is to bear the pain and suffering of a broken world through the suffering of Jesus, in order that there should be reconciliation and peace established between God and sinners; and that at the end of the day it's not "those people" but we ourselves who need to be reminded of the importance of repentance.

If we think of ourselves as "the good guys" and that we will escape judgment for being part of the right club, the right team, the right tribe, etc; then we have things very wrong, and we do not understand what justice and mercy mean.

This doesn't mean ignoring acts of evil when we see them; but rather it means recognizing that "evil" isn't a problem only "those people" have; it's the problem we have. And that same evil manifests in us when we harden ourselves against others, when we deny mercy, when we withhold forgiveness, when we hold grudges, when we are envious of others, when we allow hate to fester within, when we lose patience, when we think angry and horrible thoughts about others.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[partinobodycular]

...the rest will be tormented ion hell for all eternity.

The prospect of eternal torment has never concerned me. What will be, will be. If you want me to respect your God, then either Him, or those who claim to represent Him, will have to earn it. I've lived as my heart and soul compelled me to live, if that's not sufficient for your God, then so be it. I truly believe that I've done as much to earn His respect as He's done to earn mine. If that means that I must spend eternity in hell, then I'll spend eternity in hell. Perhaps the people there will have a greater appreciation for the struggles of this life than you and your God seem to have had.

 

[Dan1988]

The prospect of eternal torment has never concerned me. What will be, will be. If you want me to respect your God, then either Him, or those who claim to represent Him, will have to earn it. I've lived as my heart and soul compelled me to live, if that's not sufficient for your God, then so be it. I truly believe that I've done as much to earn His respect as He's done to earn mine. If that means that I must spend eternity in hell, then I'll spend eternity in hell. Perhaps the people there will have a greater appreciation for the struggles of this life than you and your God seem to have had.

The prospect of spending eternity in hell, may not concern you now, but it will when you stand before God to be judged. There will be no ignoring or escaping it then. You seem to have a flippant attitude towards the most important issue of all, that being 'where you spend eternity'.

Jesus gave more warnings about hell than anyone else, He said "if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out, because it's better to enter heaven with one eye than it is to be cast into hell with two eyes".
God doesn't want or need anything from you, and neither do His people. But you need Him for your next breath, so your relationship with Him is one sided. You need Him for everything and He doesn't need anything from you.

You have lived according to the dictates of your fallen sin nature, since everyone is born with a sin nature inherited from Adam. That's why God must slay us and we must be born again as new creatures, otherwise we cannot enter His Kingdom.
I'm afraid that living as your heart and soul, compelled you to live has earned you a place in hell. God said our best works are as filthy stinking rags in His sight, but you are relying on your filthy rags to justify your lifestyle, which is an abomination in Gods sight.

God never earns respect, He just commands your highest respect, worship, love, obedience, fear, praise and all the glory. Man is in no position to bargain with God, He holds all the cards and chips. We're just condemned criminals on death row, begging for mercy and we have nothing but filthy rags to offer in our defense.

All those in the fires of hell will spend eternity screaming at the top of their lungs, they won't be able to stop to hear you sad story, because they have their own.

 

[partinobodycular]

The prospect of spending eternity in hell, may not concern you now, but it will when you stand before God to be judged.

No it won't.

You seem to have a flippant attitude towards the most important issue of all, that being 'where you spend eternity'.

Where you spend eternity may be of importance to you, but I really couldn't care less. What matters to me is the character with which I face whatever is set before me, be it in this world or the next. If there are people like me in hell, and people such as many so-called Christians in heaven, then God must be a very poor judge of character. But I really doubt that that's the case. Rather, I think that it's probably many Christians who are just very poor judges of God... and of their fellow man for that matter.

But you need Him for your next breath...

I don't care about my next breath. If this is my last one, then so be it. I'm perfectly content with the ones that I've already been given. Why is it that Christians are so fixated on the next life, when many of them haven't figured out how to nobly live this one. And yet they want me to emulate them. Don't they realize how hypocritical that is?

You have lived according to the dictates of your fallen sin nature, since everyone is born with a sin nature inherited from Adam.

Don't even begin to think that you're in any position to judge my life. But feel free to do so if it makes you happy... just be aware, I'm not as concerned as you would like me to be.

He just commands your highest respect, worship, love, obedience, fear, praise and all the glory.

Any God that needs to command His followers to give Him these things... doesn't deserve them.

Fortunately for me, my God demands nothing of me, and I demand nothing of Him. He accepts that I will do as I will do... and I accept that He will do the same. That's what a loving relationship looks like.

We're just condemned criminals on death row, begging for mercy and we have nothing but filthy rags to offer in our defense.

You may be futilely begging for mercy, but I have no need to do so. And I'm very, very proud of my rags.

All those in the fires of hell will spend eternity screaming at the top of their lungs, they won't be able to stop to hear you sad story, because they have their own.

Continue to preach this dogma if it makes you happy, but I for one will continue not to listen. I will be sad however, that you feel the need to preach it, but it is after all, your choice. So do as you see fit, and I shall continue to accept it for what it is... the misguided ramblings of someone who simply doesn't know any better. I will assume no malevolence on your part, and I assure you that there's none on mine.

 

[Dan1988]

No it won't.



Where you spend eternity may be of importance to you, but I really couldn't care less. What matters to me is the character with which I face whatever is set before me, be it in this world or the next. If there are people like me in hell, and people such as many so-called Christians in heaven, then God must be a very poor judge of character. But I really doubt that that's the case. Rather, I think that it's probably many Christians who are just very poor judges of God... and of their fellow man for that matter.



I don't care about my next breath. If this is my last one, then so be it. I'm perfectly content with the ones that I've already been given. Why is it that Christians are so fixated on the next life, when many of them haven't figured out how to nobly live this one. And yet they want me to emulate them. Don't they realize how hypocritical that is?



Don't even begin to think that you're in any position to judge my life. But feel free to do so if it makes you happy... just be aware, I'm not as concerned as you would like me to be.



Any God that needs to command His followers to give Him these things... doesn't deserve them.

Fortunately for me, my God demands nothing of me, and I demand nothing of Him. He accepts that I will do as I will do... and I accept that He will do the same. That's what a loving relationship looks like.



You may be futilely begging for mercy, but I have no need to do so. And I'm very, very proud of my rags.



Continue to preach this dogma if it makes you happy, but I for one will continue not to listen. I will be sad however, that you feel the need to preach it, but it is after all, your choice. So do as you see fit, and I shall continue to accept it for what it is... the misguided ramblings of someone who simply doesn't know any better. I will assume no malevolence on your part, and I assure you that there's none on mine.

Let me assure you God is a perfect Judge of character. He punishes each person according to what they have done. The degree of punishment will fit the offence.
You may consider yourself to be a good person, compared to most. The problem with this view is, God will not compare you to anyone except Himself. So if your righteousness is equal to God's, then you will be rewarded with eternal paradise. If not then you will be cast into the part of hell that was prepared for sinners of your caliber.

You won't find any Christians who judge God or our fellow man. God is the only judge, we are not called to put God on trial. We are not called to pass final judgement on any person, but we are called to judge all people by their fruit. I'm sure you know that means we judge you by the way you live your life and how your life effects your neighbor.

Christians are the only people who have figured out how to "nobly live this life". Because God teaches us, and we can share the good news with you if you care to know.
God has commanded me to judge every person by their fruit, so I'm not passing final judgement on you. I'm only identifying you by what you have revealed. I don't know you personally so I don't know what type of fruit you bare, but your world view is based on sandy ground.

The One true God who revealed Himself in the bible, created everything for His own glory. So everything we do must bring Him glory, honor, praise and worship. God owns you and me and everyone and everything, we are His property, that's why we will have to give account for everything we have ever done.
Nobody is autonomous or free, we are dependent on God for everything and without Him we can do nothing.

 

[partinobodycular]

Let me assure you God is a perfect Judge of character.

If I could ask you anything it's that you stop thinking of God as a judge metaphorically sitting on a throne somewhere. He's a judge only in the sense that life itself is a judge... giving to each of us the trials and victories that are common to life. It's we who then judge them to be fair or unfair... reward or punishment. But they're always fair... they're your life. For better or worse, it's what you've been given. You may bemoan what others did to you, or what fate did to you, or what God did to you, or even what you did to yourself, but if you can accept that this was your life, then that's loving God, and respecting God, and glorifying God, because that's respecting the very thing that God has given you... life, even if in the eyes of men it wasn't perfect... it was your life, it wasn't meant to be perfect, and yet at the same time... it was.

Now if you've got a God that's sitting on a throne somewhere waiting to judge you, then you have my condolences... you'll be waiting a very long time. But if you can look at your life and appreciate it for what it is, then you've already received your reward... a contentment with who and what you are. And far beyond this, if you can look at someone else's life and appreciate the fact that they're struggling with the same things that you're struggling with... perhaps better, perhaps worse... but with the same unanswered questions. Then you can not only appreciate your life, you can appreciate their life as well.

Life is a journey wrought with unanswered questions, but if you can accept it for what it is, and if you can accept others for what they are... then I think, that you might just be a Christian... and one step closer to knowing what it means to love thy God, and thy neighbor.

 

[JEBofChristTheLord]

Life is a journey wrought with unanswered questions, but if you can accept it for what it is, and if you can accept others for what they are... then I think, that you might just be a Christian... and one step closer to knowing what it means to love thy God, and thy neighbor.

Have you ever read any of the four Gospels? Or believed what is quoted that the Lord has said within them?