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In Las Vegas, Harris promises to end tips for service industry employees, echoing Trump pledge

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Fun factoid: tip stands for "to insure promptness". Or so I've heard.
No

That's a well-known folk (fake), etymology.

From the Online Etymological Dictionary:

"give a small present of money to," nominally for service and in addition to regular payment or wages; by 1706, from earlier sense of "give, hand, pass" (c. 1600), a word in thieves' cant, of uncertain origin. Perhaps it is from tip (v.2) "to tap" via a notion of "throw lightly to (another); direct toward" in expressions such as tip one a copper.
Hence the noun in this sense (1755) and the verb in the extended sense of "give private information to," which is attested by 1883. Related: Tipped; tipping.
The popularity of the tale of the word's supposed origin as an acronym in mid-18th century English taverns is attested by 1909 in Frederick W. Hackwood's book "Inns, Ales and Drinking Customs of Old England," where it was said to stand for To insure promptitude (in the form to insure promptness the anecdote is told from 1946). A reviewer of the book in The Athenaeum of Oct. 2, 1909, wrote, "We deprecate the careless repetition of popular etymologies such as the notion that 'tip' originated from an abbreviated inscription on a box placed on the sideboard in old coaching-inns, the full meaning of which was 'To Insure Promptitude.'


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Good to see that there's some agreement across the aisle on helping the lower paid workers.

Incidentally: Harris pledges to work to end taxes on tips for service industry employees, echoing Trump vow

'But the union representing 60,000 workers in that industry, the Culinary Workers Union, announced its endorsement of Harris. About 54% of the union's members are Latino, 55% women and 60% immigrants.

No wonder they are supporting Harris. Trump wants that 60% in camps and will then, somehow, remove them from the country, to...somewhere. With the approval of...someone wherever they are being sent. I'm sure he'll supply the details soon.
Unions have always supported Democrats
 
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Like it isn't already with a 20% plus tip?
I prefer to tip cash. I give good tips for good service because I like to critique service. Doing away with tips will harm a multitude of small mom-and-pop eateries and there is a ton in El Paso unless they attach this to corporate eateries only. Plus there is much idle time to be paid for in restaurants. I believe their base pay should be increased if it's still $3.25 in restaurants.

When manufacturing expands, workers' wages and workers' wages competition will naturally increase.
 
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The cost of eating out will be more expensive.
The cost of eating out for those who are currently stingy tippers will be more expensive.
 
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The cost of eating out for those who are currently stingy tippers will be more expensive.
Maybe they may not participate but I like eating out, will it affect my tips probably, depending on the cost of menu items I won't be eating out as much as I do. I'm only stingy with bad service.
 
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Maybe they may not participate but I like eating out, will it affect my tips probably, depending on the cost of menu items I won't be eating out as much as I do. I'm only stingy with bad service.
Problem is that a customer‘s idea of good service is subjective. I personally feel my dining experience is ruined when a server is constantly stopping at my table to ask if we need anything. Servers have to guess at what will make one table or the other happy. And their income depends on getting it right.
 
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Problem is that a customer‘s idea of good service is subjective.
Yes so tip accordingly whatever you can handle. I know when I was young I wasn't as liberal with my money now a different story because of economics I tend to tip well especially the older trying to supplement their social security and the young people I don't know if they have a child. My daughter is having to supplement her income.
I personally feel my dining experience is ruined when a server is constantly stopping at my table to ask if we need anything. Servers have to guess at what will make one table or the other happy.
In the '80s I watched my brother-in-law bartend and wait tables so as we were eating dinner I'd tell my kids when the waitress displeased me.

My thoughts: Keep the drinks full, especially beer, and don't forget something that a customer asked for, always have extra napkins for families don't be BSn in front of customers because they might need something. Both my daughters waited/bartended for Alpelbeese and their greatest gripe was having to share the tips with the lazy.
 
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“It is my promise to everyone here, when I am president, we will continue our fight for working families,” Harris said, pledging to raise the minimum wage and “eliminate tips for service and hospitality workers.”
She's something!
What are her specific policies and how will she implement them? Please provide a link to her stated policies. I'll wait.
 
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What are her specific policies and how will she implement them? Please provide a link to her stated policies. I'll wait.
 
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People can say anything ... what is written? Key words "likely" in the same vein as Biden (likely - meaning unknown) ... what is Bidens "vein" ... her own "stamp" and "style" ... what the heck is that? There is nothing of substance posted anywhere.
 
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People can say anything ... what is written? Key words "likely" in the same vein as Biden (likely - meaning unknown) ... what is Bidens "vein" ... her own "stamp" and "style" ... what the heck is that? There is nothing of substance posted anywhere.
Her campaign strategy is to keep everyone from finding out what she really wants to do.
She has flip flopped on several key issues and she is purposely being vague
 
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Apparently no one read the quote blurb in the link (or the article itself). She promises and end to federal taxes on tips.

And here I thought I was going to need a Harris/Walz yard sign in the fight to get restaurant owners to pay their employees themselves rather than leaving their compensation on our tables.

Want to impact tipping: eliminate the special "tipped worker" minimum wage.
 
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People can say anything ... what is written? Key words "likely" in the same vein as Biden (likely - meaning unknown) ... what is Bidens "vein" ... her own "stamp" and "style" ... what the heck is that? There is nothing of substance posted anywhere.
The Dems will be formally voting on policies at their convention. So only 7 more sleeps and you'll have all the details you need.
 
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The Dems will be formally voting on policies at their convention. So only 7 more sleeps and you'll have all the details you need.
Rally goers had to show ID to get into Kamala's rally but she opposes voter ID.
Will she be changing her position?
 
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