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How to absolutely know for sure you're saved

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1 John 5:13 NIV

"I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may KNOW that you have eternal life." [emphasis mine]
I hope David hasn't left us. I also wish that we had a better strategy for helping folks with these kind of questions. I say folks, because it is impossible to know where anyone is at in their spiritual journey. He may have the Spirit of God already, or the hounds of heaven nipping at his heels.

I think I will make a separate thread about this. It seems counter productive for a half dozen or more people responding to one lone poster. I prefer to watch these threads and pray, (unless I got there first of course) only jumping in when absolutely necessary. Or as you did, with supporting scripture thank you for that verse btw, I knew it was out there but couldn't reel it in.
 
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I hope David hasn't left us. I also wish that we had a better strategy for helping folks with these kind of questions. I say folks, because it is impossible to know where anyone is at in their spiritual journey. He may have the Spirit of God already, or the hounds of heaven nipping at his heels.

I think I will make a separate thread about this. It seems counter productive for a half dozen or more people responding to one lone poster. I prefer to watch these threads and pray, (unless I got there first of course) only jumping in when absolutely necessary. Or as you did, with supporting scripture thank you for that verse btw, I knew it was out there but couldn't reel it in.
You're welcome, Simonides. And I agree completely. I placed the prayer hands on your reply in hopes I could leap in and out quickly and allow David to focus on you, since you had offered the commitment. Still praying here and NOW I'm leaping back out again, ha! God bless and come on back, David!
 
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Ok so i'm freaking out right now over here. I need to absolutely, 100% foolproof, 100% watertight, no doubt know for sure if I'm saved. I'm a believer and baptized but I cannot say 100% for sure if I'm saved. I've been fighting and searching everywhere for the past 5 years but I cannot know it for sure unless God told it to me personally. I've asked other believers, spend hundreds of hours on the internet searching and analysing every article there is on this topic, thousands of hours ruminating in my head but I cannot come to absolute certainty. I cannot go to the bible because there are enough verses that hinge on the possibility that I might not be saved and I need to know 100% for sure. I cannot live by faith alone, there is too much at stake here, I NEED TO KNOW FOR SURE!
God did tell you personally.
Satan is simply testing your faith in God.
Who are you gonna listen to?
 
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You won't know "for sure" until the day of judgement.
We have no guarantees.
Jesus said that he who endures until the end will be saved: so endure !
Live every day like it is the last day.
Fortunately, scripture tells us we will never be tempted above what we can handle..."There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it." (1 Cor 10:13)
Romans 8:16
The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are children of God,

John 5:24
“Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life."
Read that verse more than once.

1 John 5:12
He who has the Son has the life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have the life. These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life.

Hebrews 7:25
Therefore He is able also to save forever those who draw near to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them.

Christ does not intercede for you only when you are good. He does so when you stumble.
Ther are other verses which say the same.


Anyone who says they do not sin/make mistakes is a liar.
 
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Ok so i'm freaking out right now over here. I need to absolutely, 100% foolproof, 100% watertight, no doubt know for sure if I'm saved. I'm a believer and baptized but I cannot say 100% for sure if I'm saved. I've been fighting and searching everywhere for the past 5 years but I cannot know it for sure unless God told it to me personally. I've asked other believers, spend hundreds of hours on the internet searching and analysing every article there is on this topic, thousands of hours ruminating in my head but I cannot come to absolute certainty. I cannot go to the bible because there are enough verses that hinge on the possibility that I might not be saved and I need to know 100% for sure. I cannot live by faith alone, there is too much at stake here, I NEED TO KNOW FOR SURE!
It's about faith so you just have to trust God on that.

This need for certainty is how the modern cults get you.
 
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The highest and best proof you have is His Word. You are saved because He said you are. What is more powerful than His Word, integrity, and faithfulness?

The mechanics of salvation, paraphrase:

1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV
"I declare unto you the gospel by which ye are saved if ye keep in memory that Christ died for our sins and that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day."

Can you "keep this in memory?" Rest in it, and know He is faithful to maintain your salvation.

Here is one way this salvation can be applied:

1. God made Jesus Lord and Christ. Acts 2:36
2. He made Jesus the Lord of all. Acts 10:36
3. Everyone who calls on the Lord's name will be saved. Romans 10:12-13

He does not lie.

One point. We have to not depend on our "power to believe" for assurance. Depending on some function of your own being as assurance is doomed to failure. We depend on HIS faithfulness to His word. Our faith rests on His faithfulness. This is a trap for many believers. They evaluate their faith and look to that as proof. Essentially, they are saved if they feel saved. Not good. Feelings are fluctuating and can be mistaken for mere emotions. There are days when I do not "feel" that positive. You can go to the Word and find many proofs. Don't get me wrong... I have had strong feelings of reassurance and the presence of God. Of course, we love that and should. But when push comes to shove, and there is only rubber on the road... we have the word of God.

And remember that God is only pleased with faith... You depend on His faithfulness.
Hebrews 11:6 KJV
6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.


1 John 1:9 KJV
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Note that this verse says that He is faithful and just.
We base our faith on His faithfulness.
But our salvation is also based on justice. He is just to effect our salvation, and it would be unjust not to!
Remember, God (in the garden) required Jesus to suffer and go to the cross to provide for our salvation. Not only would it be unjust for Him to NOT apply that salvation to us, but it would also be unjust to Jesus for Him not to receive us. We were purchased with His blood. We belong to Him. Can you imagine the Father leaning over to Jesus and saying, "Yes. I know you suffered, shed your blood, and died for this man... but I am going to renege on your sacrifice and not honor your blood." That would be injustice toward Jesus. Not going to happen.

Just throw yourself over on His word, faithfulness, and righteousness. That is the sure foundation of your redemption.

1 John 5:13 ISV
13 I have written these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life.
 
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Ok so i'm freaking out right now over here. I need to absolutely, 100% foolproof, 100% watertight, no doubt know for sure if I'm saved. I'm a believer and baptized but I cannot say 100% for sure if I'm saved. I've been fighting and searching everywhere for the past 5 years but I cannot know it for sure unless God told it to me personally. I've asked other believers, spend hundreds of hours on the internet searching and analysing every article there is on this topic, thousands of hours ruminating in my head but I cannot come to absolute certainty. I cannot go to the bible because there are enough verses that hinge on the possibility that I might not be saved and I need to know 100% for sure. I cannot live by faith alone, there is too much at stake here, I NEED TO KNOW FOR SURE!
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J. Wilbur Chapman was a 19th century American evangelist who was greatly used by God to spread the good news of eternal life through faith in Jesus Christ. Here is what he wrote about how D. L. Moody used John 5:24 to show him that he could be sure he had eternal life through faith in Jesus Christ:


I (J. Wilbur Chapman) was studying for the ministry, and I heard that D. L. Moody was to preach in Chicago. I went to hear him. Finally I got into his after meeting. I shall never forget the thrill that went through me when he came and sat down beside me as an inquirer. He asked me if I was a Christian. I said, “Mr. Moody, I am not sure whether I am a Christian or not.”
He very kindly took his Bible and opened it to the 5th chapter of John, and the 24 verse, which reads as follows: “Verily, verily, I say unto you, he that heareth my word, and believeth on Him that sent Me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation, but is passed from death unto life.”
Suppose you had read it through for the first time, wouldn’t you think it was wonderful? I read it through, and he said, “Do you believe it?”
I said, “Yes.”
“Do you accept it?”
I said, “Yes.”
“Well, are you a Christian?”
“Mr. Moody, I sometimes think I am, and sometimes I am afraid I am not.”
He very kindly said, “Read it again.”
So I read it again, “Verily, verily, I say unto you, he that heareth my word, and believeth on Him that sent Me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation, but is passed from death unto life.”
Then he said, “Do you believe it?”
I said, “Yes.”
“Do you receive Him?”
I said, “Yes.”
“Well,” he said, “are you a Christian?”
I just started to say over again that sometimes I was afraid I was not, when the only time in all the years I knew him and loved him, he was sharp with me. He turned on me with his eyes flashing and said, “See here, whom are you doubting?” Then I saw it for the first time, that when I was afraid I was not a Christian I was doubting (a promise of Jesus Himself!) I read it again with my eyes overflowing with tears. Since that day I have had many sorrows and many joys, but never have I doubted for a moment that I was a Christian, because God said it.
 
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Jesus' only gospel (good news) was the Gospel of the Kingdom... that the Father would overcome death and all adversaries, be they elohim or man and establish absolute authourity over all creation. We simply have to choose sides and live accordingly. His will, not ours be done in earth...
 
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Yes, habitual sin, not in the sense that I don't care about it but that I am too weak to resist it.
Hello David, I'm sorry to hear about your struggle with sin. I'm praying for you about it!

The Bible (as someone has already pointed out for us) makes it clear that God wants us to have the assurance of our salvation .. e.g. 1 John 5:13, but assurance is a difficult thing to have whenever we sin, especially habitually (as I know you are already aware).

As far as being "weak" goes, we are all weak in regard to temptations and sin, but the good news is, God makes sure that the temptations that we face, day by day (sometimes, moment by moment) are never too much for us to handle (as someone above has already mentioned .. e.g. 1 Corinthians 10:13).

We also have a number of other wonderful promises from Him in regard to this problem, like the one that we find at the end of this verse.

James 4
7 Submit therefore to God. Resist the devil ~and he will flee from you~.

So, here are some of the practical things that you can do to resist temptations and sin.

1. Begin again to grow in your knowledge and understanding of God/His word every day, because His word is one of the principal means that He uses to sanctify us .. e.g. John 17:17 cf Joshua 1:8; Psalm 1:1-3; 119:105; Romans 12:2; 2 Timothy 3:16-17; Deuteronomy 11:18-21........ (I noticed in your OP that you chose to turn away from the Bible because you were afraid of what it might reveal to you about yourself and your salvation, but that is the very last thing that you want to do, because ignorance, in this case, is never bliss :preach:).​
2. Begin to practice the Lord's "presence" in the whole of your daily life (moment by moment by moment, IOW) by choosing to include Him in everything that you do, more and more. As the Bible tells us,​
1 Thessalonians 5
16 Rejoice always;
17 pray without ceasing;
18 in everything give thanks; for this is God’s will for you in Christ Jesus.
If these commands seem overwhelming to you, start small (remember that as a saint and a child of our loving, heavenly Abba, "time" is on your side, yes :amen:). So (for instance), begin by taking time throughout your day to look for things to rejoice in and thank Him for, even the smallest of things.​
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3. Learn to ~turn your eyes away~ from anything that you know will tempt you (as soon as you see it). It will take time for you to become comfortable doing this, but (of the things that "we" can do to help in our battle against sin) this is our first line of defense.​
4. RESIST/REFUSE each and every temptation that comes your way by taking it "captive", again and again and again, as long as it continues to be necessary for you to do so (I know that this aspect of the battle can be both tiring and painful, but when times are difficult, like they are for you now, our "fight" against temptation and sin needs to be considered a "war" against it instead)! Remember the Lord's promise in James 4:7 by trusting Him/choosing to take Him at His very word, even when it seems like the battle that you are presently in (with our common enemy) will never be over.
2 Corinthians 10
5 We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we ~take captive~ every thought to make it obedient to Christ.

Praying for you!

God bless you!!

--David
p.s. - here is one of my very favorite little passages in regard to all of this, because it not only tells us what we need to do, it tells us how to do it, as well :oldthumbsup::oldthumbsup: (we can talk more about what the Bible means in v11 if you'd like to, but I'm going to stop here because this post is already way too long .. sorry about that)!

Psalm 119
9 How can a young man keep his way pure? By keeping it according to Thy word.
11 Thy word I have treasured (hidden/stored up) in my heart, that I may not sin against Thee.
 
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Ok so i'm freaking out right now over here. I need to absolutely, 100% foolproof, 100% watertight, no doubt know for sure if I'm saved. I'm a believer and baptized but I cannot say 100% for sure if I'm saved. I've been fighting and searching everywhere for the past 5 years but I cannot know it for sure unless God told it to me personally. I've asked other believers, spend hundreds of hours on the internet searching and analysing every article there is on this topic, thousands of hours ruminating in my head but I cannot come to absolute certainty. I cannot go to the bible because there are enough verses that hinge on the possibility that I might not be saved and I need to know 100% for sure. I cannot live by faith alone, there is too much at stake here, I NEED TO KNOW FOR SURE!
I experienced a time in my life when I was freaking out over salvation. I had a chemical imbalance in my brain. I was put on medication and got over it.
 
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Ok so i'm freaking out right now over here. I need to absolutely, 100% foolproof, 100% watertight, no doubt know for sure if I'm saved. I'm a believer and baptized but I cannot say 100% for sure if I'm saved. I've been fighting and searching everywhere for the past 5 years but I cannot know it for sure unless God told it to me personally. I've asked other believers, spend hundreds of hours on the internet searching and analysing every article there is on this topic, thousands of hours ruminating in my head but I cannot come to absolute certainty. I cannot go to the bible because there are enough verses that hinge on the possibility that I might not be saved and I need to know 100% for sure. I cannot live by faith alone, there is too much at stake here, I NEED TO KNOW FOR SURE!
The only evidence of salvation is the Holy Spirit. By fruit you will know the tree. Holy Spirit produces fruit in every believer. Go and read in NT about the fruit of the Holy Spirit.

Also, does who are saved love Christ, and follow His commandments.
 
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Romans 10:8-11 said:
But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart”—that is, the word of faith which we are preaching, that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation. For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes in Him will not be put to shame.”

It’s very basic. Do you believe that Christ was raised from the dead? Yes? Do you acknowledge that Christ is the rightful authority over Your life? Yes? You’re saved.

What I think your kernel of doubt is a small amount of concern over the authority part, because you are struggling to obey Christ’s authority. All Christians struggle to obey that. What is important is that there is a struggle, that you want to subject that part of mind or body to Christ and you want to obey. He is the Lord you should be following, and you look forward to the day when, in a perfectly sinless body, you will perfectly follow the Lord. But you are not there yet.

If the Lord somehow declares me unsaved and I end up at the Great White throne, I will be infuriated and I will accuse Christ of being dishonest because I read the requirements to be saved in Romans that God told Paul to write, and I did those. (I’m feeling the rage just typing this.) Jesus Christ is Lord and God raised him from the dead, and I claim Christ’s righteousness on my behalf in gratitude instead of my filthy rags of so-called good works. Needless to say, since God cannot lie, I feel reassured of my salvation.
 
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Romans 8:16
The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are children of God,

John 5:24
“Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life."
Read that verse more than once.

1 John 5:12
He who has the Son has the life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have the life. These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life.

Hebrews 7:25
Therefore He is able also to save forever those who draw near to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them.

Christ does not intercede for you only when you are good. He does so when you stumble.
Ther are other verses which say the same.
What men know today, may be untrue tomorrow.
Ananias and Sapphira may have thought themselves "saved" on one day, only to find themselves dead for lying to the Holy Ghost the next day.
There are scores of exhortations and admonissions geared at keeping us on our toes, Spiritually.
Guaranteed salvation would make those kinds of scriptures unnecessary.
Our lives will reflect where we are, at any given time.
Anyone who says they do not sin/make mistakes is a liar.
You'll have to PM me on that topic, as it isn't allowed, out in the open, here.
 
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What men know today, may be untrue tomorrow.
Ananias and Sapphira may have thought themselves "saved" on one day, only to find themselves dead for lying to the Holy Ghost the next day.
There are scores of exhortations and admonissions geared at keeping us on our toes, Spiritually.
Guaranteed salvation would make those kinds of scriptures unnecessary.
Our lives will reflect where we are, at any given time.

You'll have to PM me on that topic, as it isn't allowed, out in the open, here.
133 eternal security verses:


We cannot "keep ourselves saved", period. Jesus does it all - or nothing. It's that black and white.

I would gently suggest that perhaps we should pause and make our own election sure, before disturbing the confidence of our brother through our unwarranted fears, hmm?

God bless us ALL, and I mean that!

And again... I'm out...
 
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You're welcome, Simonides. And I agree completely. I placed the prayer hands on your reply in hopes I could leap in and out quickly and allow David to focus on you, since you had offered the commitment. Still praying here and NOW I'm leaping back out again, ha! God bless and come on back, David!
I've had a busy day, but kept checking in to see if David returned. It grieves my heart to see someone reaching out for help, I presume in sincerity, and to watch the thread that he began devolve into yet another debate. You'd think this crowd would eventually grow weary of all the camel flesh they constantly devour.
Apparently not.
Jesus wept.
 
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133 eternal security verses:


We cannot "keep ourselves saved", period. Jesus does it all - or nothing. It's that black and white.

I would gently suggest that perhaps we should pause and make our own election sure, before disturbing the confidence of our brother through our unwarranted fears, hmm?
Ps 111:10..."The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom: a good understanding have all they that do his commandments: his praise endureth for ever."
God bless us ALL, and I mean that!
And again... I'm out...
Eccl 12:13..."Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man."
 
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I've had a busy day, but kept checking in to see if David returned. It grieves my heart to see someone reaching out for help, I presume in sincerity, and to watch the thread that he began devolve into yet another debate. You'd think this crowd would eventually grow weary of all the camel flesh they constantly devour.
Apparently not.
Jesus wept.
I hear ya, I think it grieves all of us. I wish your challenge to start a debate thread elsewhere had been accepted - me included.

But hey, let's give the Holy Spirit credit. Perhaps He is using this as an opportunity to demonstrate to David that we all have struggled mightily at some time in our walk with what seemed to be contradictory Scriptures, and some still are struggling, so perhaps heaps of grace and patience is needed from all of us. Scripture does say somewhere to be gentle with those who are doubting.

All I know is that the one Scripture that set me personally free was Romans 8:16. God let me struggle for years until the day He got in my face, challenged me as to whether I truly believed that it was Almighty God telling me personally that I was His child, and if so, know that I was still His child and forever would be so - all due to His covenant of grace with me and absolutely nothing else. Either stand on His Word TO ME, or continue to flounder and remain unfruitful for His Kingdom.

And His proof to me that it was indeed still Him speaking to me?

He revealed His heart. And I recognized Him. And like Job I shut my mouth in humility for His awesomeness.

Then the Spirit rose within me and I stamped my foot and shouted at the devil that if he didn't like it that grace keeps me saved, take it to my High Priest and Advocate and leave me alone!

Since that day, all of these 133 promises and more have become more and more alive, such that I KNOW I can survive any further valleys of dryness on the veracity of His Word alone, despite all feelings and emotions (disguised as logic) to the contrary.

And that is a daily source of true joy, brother! Am I not alone in this experience? I think not - I see it clearly in all the confident posts here - truly the Holy Spirit talking. Am I right???

Hey, maybe there's wisdom in a multitude of witnesses and we shouldn't fret, eh? Maybe David is researching and pondering what is being said, and we should stop referring to him in the 3rd person, ha!

Let's keep praying, brothers! [edit: and sisters!]
 
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A reminder to everyone that Requests for Christian Advice is a non-debate forum. From the forum SOP:

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@Hoping2, you need to stop debating please.

@Simonides, this post is borderline flaming since you accused a member of giving incorrect advice, which may have started the regrettable debate:
This is not scriptural advice. If you have nothing better than this to offer, please remove yourself from this conversation. Respectfully.
Again, from the forum statement of purpose:

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All further posts in this thread need to be about helping David, not about debating about how we are reassured of salvation. If you wish to debate that, please open a new topic in Soteriology DEBATE. Thanks!
 
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I'm not saying I'm giving up. I'm saying that if salvation depends on my own effort I already failed, will continue to fail and eventually will perish
Christianity is not relying on yourself. It's relying on Jesus who saved you. The way you got saved is the same way that you overcome areas of your flesh that when yielded to makes you worry that your not saved.

You got saved by confessing Jesus as your Savior. So continue on by confessing who you are in Christ Jesus and let Jesus transform you from one degree of glory to another.

Baby Christians always fail at being a Christian. But the more that you learn about who you are in Christ Jesus the less areas of failure will happen. The more you make confession of faith to overcome weaknesses the more of an adult Christian you will become.

James said that it's the reins in the horses mouth that the rider can direct where the horse goes. He likened that to a person using words - God's words - to discipline their mind and body.

The apostle Paul said that Christians delightfully agree with God's word. And the apostle Peter said that the baby Christian is like a human baby to desire God's word like a baby hungers for mother's milk, to grow thereby.

How hard is it to talk? Everybody does it. Just change the words that you speak against yourself. Into words that help yourself to grow and change into the person that God provides you to be.
 
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