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I like this. The situation appears to require words such as submit (Jam 4:7) or resist (Acts 7:51, Rom 13:2, 2tim 3:8) and accept (Num 14:11) or reject (Mark 7:9, Acts 13:46 1Thes 4:8). More than words like choice or choose.Accepting the work of grace is not an active choice as much as it is the lack of rejection.
I agree, faith (or coming before God empty) affirms the work of grace already taking place.However, we actively affirm the work of grace by the declaration of faith
Sounds like this is what John Calvin is saying. Heavy on the humility though.I agree that the sentence,"Faith, then, brings a man empty to God" indicates that man brings some faith along with humility and helplessness.
As Hebrews 11:1, "faith is the substance of things hoped for". In this case, your 'hope' is for "God's will to save him".So the faith is in that hope that God wills to save him
Hi Mark, I've been away for a bit. Just getting back to a normal day.I hear more about John Calvin from those who wish to defeat Calvinism than from my own studies!
Does a true Disciple have Deity living within them? Can Deity participate in sinning with you?Not even tomorrow. Nobody is without sin, in some sense. Total depravity has to do with what is at the core, and in the believer, what is in the "old man", is still at the core. It is not only the individual conscious disobediences that are sin, but the rebellion still at work in us, and the ungodliness that we are not even aware of still within us, even in our very mindset.
All day long we declare independence against God. And he is patient enough to put up with it, working to make us what we will be when we see him as he is.
People use Eph 2:8 “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God” to show “faith” is a gift and forget about verse 9 which says: “not by works, so that no one can boast.” The gift cannot be grammatical correct and be “faith”, but you do not have to know Greek, just look at verse 9. If “faith” were the gift then Paul is telling us faith cannot be worked for and earned which is not logical or discussed as even an option anywhere else. How would people go about working to obtain faith anyway (it is to quit working, trying to do it yourself and start trusting). The “gift” in Eph. 2:8 is the whole salvation process which Paul talks about in other places, showing people trying to earn salvation.We are given a measure of faith from God as a gift
In the same way that repentance is granted by God (Acts 11:18; 2 Tim. 2:25), faith is also a supernatural gift of God. Ephesians 2:8–9 affirms this: “By grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.”
I have no doubts about God's gifts of grace and faith, but I question if free will allows us to reject those gifts. Not rejecting God's gifts is not a merit or work. God gives us the gift of life, and people often reject it. Can one not reject the gifts of grace and faith?
| Robertson, on the topic of pronouns, wrote: |
| 9. Gender and Number of outos. ... In general, like other adjectives, outos agrees with its substantive in gender and number, whether predicate or attributive. ... In Eph. 2:8, ..., there is no reference to pisteos in touto, but rather to the idea of salvation in the clause before. (A. T. Robertson, A Grammar of the New Testament, p.704) |
| Robertson, on the topic of particles, wrote: |
| (ii) Kai. ... The Mere Connective ('And') ... kai tauta (frequent in ancient Greek). See in particular Eph. 2:8, kai touto ouk ex umon, where touto refers to the whole conception, not to chariti. (A. T. Robertson, A Grammar of the New Testament, pp. 1181-1182) |
| Robertson, on the topic of prepositions, wrote: |
| (d) dia ... 3. 'Passing Between' or 'Through.' The idea of interval between leads naturally to that of passing between two objects or parts of objects. 'Through' is thus not the original meaning of dia, but is a very common one. ... The agent may also be expressed by dia. This function was also performed in the ancient Greek, through, when means or instrument was meant, the instrumental case was commonly employed. dia is thus used with inanimate and animate objects. Here, of course, the agent is conceived as coming in between the non-attainmnet and the attainment of the object in view. ... Abstract ideas are frequently so expressed, as sesosmenoi dia pisteos (Eph. 2:8), ... (A. T. Robertson, A Grammar of the New Testament, pp. 580-582) |
Greetings BibleBeliever, I hope you had a blessed weekend.My position is that the definition of faith is the word "faith." So faith literally means faith. It does not mean works.
Do you think that it is more correct to say that there is choosing or more correct to say the situation appears to require words such as submit (Jam 4:7) or resist (Acts 7:51, Rom 13:2, 2tim 3:8) and accept (Num 14:11) or reject (Mark 7:9, Acts 13:46 1Thes 4:8)?No it absolutely involves choosing.
I'm thinking we've been through this before. Do you claim to be without sin?Does a true Disciple have Deity living within them? Can Deity participate in sinning with you?
The "Old Self" should have been put to death?
Are we to be slaves to righteousness?
I unfortunately quench the Spirit way to much.I'm thinking we've been through this before. Do you claim to be without sin?
Me too. And not by accident.I unfortunately quench the Spirit way to much.
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