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Are Folks Making America Hate Again?

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Your pickup truck is breaking down, and you cannot afford a new one. Good jobs are hard to find, and prices keep going up. You fear you might not be able to keep your God. Times are tough. I get it.

In frustration, you look for people to blame, and you find no shortage of possibilities. You could blame DEI recipients, transgenders, or Democrats, for instance. And then along comes a presidential candidate who speaks out against all the people you blame. True, some of those people being hated could include your friends or even yourself, but largely the message resonates with you. Yes, you have been told this candidate should never be President again, but then again, you hear this candidate is blaming the people you blame. You like that. And so, you vote for him.

But have you turned to hatred, rather than resolving the problems?

Here are some of the groups being hated:

DEI Recipients: Historically, discrimination had made it hard for minorities and women to have equality. DEI programs have been instituted to help overcome this bias, so that the result of both the lingering discrimination plus DEI emphasis would supposedly put everybody on more of an equal footing. Yes, some of those programs may have gone too far. There is always room for healthy debate. But how can it be good to lash out in hatred of all who have sought what they consider fairness?

Immigrants: People have blamed a range of other people here, from criminals to hard-working undocumented people to green card holders to natural-born citizens. All get lumped together with calls for mass deportation. Sure, violent criminals must go, but, in the meantime, many good people get caught up in a wave of hate.

LGBTQ+: No, Mr. Falwell, homosexuals and abortion providers were not the cause of the 9/11 attacks. There are decent people in the LGBTQ+ community who just want to live their lives. But an outpouring of hatred has been showered on these groups.

Other religions and nationalities: Other religions, especially Muslims, have seen immense hatred. In particular, vast hatred is reserved for the Palestinian people. True, Hamas has committed evil acts. Those who do that should be punished. But there are a vast number of people living in Palestine who want to live their lives peacefully. They think they deserve a fairer distribution of the land where they and the Israelis live.

Foreign Countries: There seems to be no end of the vitriol against China. Now, even Europe and Canada are in the crosshairs. Everybody seems to get the blame except, oddly, Russia. But America relies on a world of friendship. Somehow, we strike out in anger at even our friends, thinking that somehow that is OK.

Environmentalists: There is unending anger at those who seek to preserve the environment and seek to be honest about the limited resources in the world we live in. Environmentalists care about our future. Without such concern, the future is bleak.

Government Workers: There has been a vast backlash against the many career government workers who dedicate their lives in civil service. They are degraded as “the Deep State.” They have faced massive layoffs. But don’t forget, at its core, government is good.

The needy: There is endless backlash against welfare queens, without even acknowledging that the welfare program was abolished in the Clinton era, replaced with the much less generous Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF). We need programs like Medicare, TANF, FEMA, and USAID. But unfortunately, these programs get branded as Marxism and receive the wrath of many people.

America is, and always has been, great. That greatness has sometimes been overshadowed with hate. We had slavery, the Trail of Tears, and subjugation of women. Despite that, America has been moving on with things like The New Deal, The Great Society, Civil Rights, and even Compassionate Conservatism. Are we now losing all that? Are we making America hate again?



 

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It is a difficult balance between solidarity and being taken advantage of. Between generosity and being used.
Jesus calls us to self sacrifice and service but does that mean as a culture? As a nation?
Don't we need to care for ourselves first?

Boy, what a temptation that is. If someone would only validate it as "OK".
That is where we are now. WE elected a leader who validates self interest.
An important aspect of self interest is casting others as enemy.
The next step is dehumanizing rhetoric. We are there now also.

I think we have a warped sense of justice. How do we get it back.
 
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Things have been going so swimmingly over the years in America and i am just astonished over what motivates some people to vote for those I know are nothing but hate mongers.

Domestic terrorism, nothing to see here:







Anti Christian hate, nothing to see here:




Home grown extremists, nothing to see here:



Such well run immigration policies, nothing to see here:




The environment, all green policies are just fines nothing to see here:


BGE plans to build new overhead transmission lines in parts of Maryland as coal-powered station closes
 

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We will always have disagreements within denominations and within faith communities, within families and any group of people secular or religious.

Where we stand or fail is in how we treat each other in those disagreements.

We can disagree with dignity and respect. We can practice here in this forum.
 

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Your pickup truck is breaking down, and you cannot afford a new one. Good jobs are hard to find, and prices keep going up. You fear you might not be able to keep your God. Times are tough. I get it.

In frustration, you look for people to blame, and you find no shortage of possibilities. You could blame DEI recipients, transgenders, or Democrats, for instance. And then along comes a presidential candidate who speaks out against all the people you blame. True, some of those people being hated could include your friends or even yourself, but largely the message resonates with you. Yes, you have been told this candidate should never be President again, but then again, you hear this candidate is blaming the people you blame. You like that. And so, you vote for him.

But have you turned to hatred, rather than resolving the problems?

Here are some of the groups being hated:

DEI Recipients: Historically, discrimination had made it hard for minorities and women to have equality. DEI programs have been instituted to help overcome this bias, so that the result of both the lingering discrimination plus DEI emphasis would supposedly put everybody on more of an equal footing. Yes, some of those programs may have gone too far. There is always room for healthy debate. But how can it be good to lash out in hatred of all who have sought what they consider fairness?

Immigrants: People have blamed a range of other people here, from criminals to hard-working undocumented people to green card holders to natural-born citizens. All get lumped together with calls for mass deportation. Sure, violent criminals must go, but, in the meantime, many good people get caught up in a wave of hate.

LGBTQ+: No, Mr. Falwell, homosexuals and abortion providers were not the cause of the 9/11 attacks. There are decent people in the LGBTQ+ community who just want to live their lives. But an outpouring of hatred has been showered on these groups.

Other religions and nationalities: Other religions, especially Muslims, have seen immense hatred. In particular, vast hatred is reserved for the Palestinian people. True, Hamas has committed evil acts. Those who do that should be punished. But there are a vast number of people living in Palestine who want to live their lives peacefully. They think they deserve a fairer distribution of the land where they and the Israelis live.

Foreign Countries: There seems to be no end of the vitriol against China. Now, even Europe and Canada are in the crosshairs. Everybody seems to get the blame except, oddly, Russia. But America relies on a world of friendship. Somehow, we strike out in anger at even our friends, thinking that somehow that is OK.

Environmentalists: There is unending anger at those who seek to preserve the environment and seek to be honest about the limited resources in the world we live in. Environmentalists care about our future. Without such concern, the future is bleak.

Government Workers: There has been a vast backlash against the many career government workers who dedicate their lives in civil service. They are degraded as “the Deep State.” They have faced massive layoffs. But don’t forget, at its core, government is good.

The needy: There is endless backlash against welfare queens, without even acknowledging that the welfare program was abolished in the Clinton era, replaced with the much less generous Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF). We need programs like Medicare, TANF, FEMA, and USAID. But unfortunately, these programs get branded as Marxism and receive the wrath of many people.

America is, and always has been, great. That greatness has sometimes been overshadowed with hate. We had slavery, the Trail of Tears, and subjugation of women. Despite that, America has been moving on with things like The New Deal, The Great Society, Civil Rights, and even Compassionate Conservatism. Are we now losing all that? Are we making America hate again?

Thank you for sharing truth.
Be blessed.
 
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Do we all not live with a deep guilt, perhaps yet unconscious, that we have betrayed life and sold out to falsity in service to the ego. We have even appropriated our religion. and thus toxify our spirituality. Unless we can see ourselves in the lepers of our day we are missing what is really important. It is the opportunity for solidarity that makes us human.
 
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Domestic terrorism
Yes, I agree, terrorism and crime exist. Other than that, did you have a point you were trying to make?
 
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Your pickup truck is breaking down, and you cannot afford a new one. Good jobs are hard to find, and prices keep going up. You fear you might not be able to keep your God. Times are tough. I get it.

In frustration, you look for people to blame, and you find no shortage of possibilities. You could blame DEI recipients, transgenders, or Democrats, for instance. And then along comes a presidential candidate who speaks out against all the people you blame. True, some of those people being hated could include your friends or even yourself, but largely the message resonates with you. Yes, you have been told this candidate should never be President again, but then again, you hear this candidate is blaming the people you blame. You like that. And so, you vote for him.

But have you turned to hatred, rather than resolving the problems?

Here are some of the groups being hated:

DEI Recipients: Historically, discrimination had made it hard for minorities and women to have equality. DEI programs have been instituted to help overcome this bias, so that the result of both the lingering discrimination plus DEI emphasis would supposedly put everybody on more of an equal footing. Yes, some of those programs may have gone too far. There is always room for healthy debate. But how can it be good to lash out in hatred of all who have sought what they consider fairness?

Immigrants: People have blamed a range of other people here, from criminals to hard-working undocumented people to green card holders to natural-born citizens. All get lumped together with calls for mass deportation. Sure, violent criminals must go, but, in the meantime, many good people get caught up in a wave of hate.

LGBTQ+: No, Mr. Falwell, homosexuals and abortion providers were not the cause of the 9/11 attacks. There are decent people in the LGBTQ+ community who just want to live their lives. But an outpouring of hatred has been showered on these groups.

Other religions and nationalities: Other religions, especially Muslims, have seen immense hatred. In particular, vast hatred is reserved for the Palestinian people. True, Hamas has committed evil acts. Those who do that should be punished. But there are a vast number of people living in Palestine who want to live their lives peacefully. They think they deserve a fairer distribution of the land where they and the Israelis live.

Foreign Countries: There seems to be no end of the vitriol against China. Now, even Europe and Canada are in the crosshairs. Everybody seems to get the blame except, oddly, Russia. But America relies on a world of friendship. Somehow, we strike out in anger at even our friends, thinking that somehow that is OK.

Environmentalists: There is unending anger at those who seek to preserve the environment and seek to be honest about the limited resources in the world we live in. Environmentalists care about our future. Without such concern, the future is bleak.

Government Workers: There has been a vast backlash against the many career government workers who dedicate their lives in civil service. They are degraded as “the Deep State.” They have faced massive layoffs. But don’t forget, at its core, government is good.

The needy: There is endless backlash against welfare queens, without even acknowledging that the welfare program was abolished in the Clinton era, replaced with the much less generous Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF). We need programs like Medicare, TANF, FEMA, and USAID. But unfortunately, these programs get branded as Marxism and receive the wrath of many people.

America is, and always has been, great. That greatness has sometimes been overshadowed with hate. We had slavery, the Trail of Tears, and subjugation of women. Despite that, America has been moving on with things like The New Deal, The Great Society, Civil Rights, and even Compassionate Conservatism. Are we now losing all that? Are we making America hate again?
And the end of that fractured fairy tale is that the man who taught them to blame those groups for all their problems is--in fact--the cause of all the problems they're having.
Glad I didn't fall for it. At least I have my self respect.
 
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Except for... well, none of these things are true except in the minds of the politicals who need this narrative to be true. There is no grand national hatred against these people. It is all the fantasy of groups looking for reasons to legitimise their victimhood. They lost an election, and they cannot believe that they lost it due to bad policies and wokeism. Just false.
 

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We have who we have now because the two people who ran against him were the weakest candidates possible.
You sound as if you are angry because Democrats had "weak" candidates and that left voters no choice but to vote for a 34 times convicted felon with a NYS tax judgment against him for defrauding the state of half a billion dollars in taxes and many other indictments derailed by his "presidential immunity.

If you look at economic statistics, Biden's record was superlative. If you look at the legislation he passed through Congress (what a quaint idea--including Congress!) he accomplished more than any president in decades. If you look at historians' work, he is ranked #14 while the current president is ranked last.

Maybe it was voters' fault, not only for excusing the unbelievably compelling disqualifying character traits--but also believing his continual character assassinations and other falsehoods.

Buyer's remorse? We learn from our failures, and we can move on from them.
 
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Domestic terrorism
As opposed to funding terrorism abroad (which US citizens have been doing since the late 60s, with tacit or even blatant support of some elected officials)
 
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Except for... well, none of these things are true except in the minds of the politicals who need this narrative to be true. There is no grand national hatred against these people.
I guess you don't watch the news.
It is all the fantasy of groups looking for reasons to legitimise their victimhood.
What groups?
They lost an election, and they cannot believe that they lost it due to bad policies and wokeism. Just false.
Who is "they"? Are "they" the same as the groups listed above?
 
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First, I don't know you, but I take it that your entire post is sarcasm. You show not the slightest hint that you mean it to be sarcasm, but I think you are speaking sarcastically when you say green policies are just fine.

Ever hear of Poe's Law?

Let's look at your link. It says that a coal-powered station is closing (Yeah!) and that new overhead transmission lines are now needed to distribute power (Boo!).

Understood. As Kermit the Frog put it, "It's not easy being green." I will not for one minute say that being green is simply something we can switch on and all will be well.

Your link mentions new overhead transmission lines. Yes, we will need those. But that's only the beginning. We will need gigantic solar farms, massive wind turbines, miles of HVDC transmission to interconnect the smaller transmission lines you mention, huge pumped-hydro storage facilities, massive battery storage facilities, electric trucks, and so much more. Our low carbon future will not be easy. And don't get me started on all the mining and destruction of the Earth that would be needed to do all that.

But the alternative? Are you suggesting that we just continue to fuel record breaking warmth and putting our own lives at risk?

By the way, those links above on carbon solutions point to the work of Michael Barnard, an eternal optimist on green energy. I don't quite share his optimism, but I admit that we have no other choice but to attempt something like this to keep any semblance of our industrial society going.

But instead, people have turned to hating the messengers. But sorry, those of us who speak out on climate issues are not the enemy. We are telling you what we see.

Unfortunately, it is much easier to hate the messenger then to work together to solve this mess.
 
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Except for... well, none of these things are true except in the minds of the politicals who need this narrative to be true. There is no grand national hatred against these people. It is all the fantasy of groups looking for reasons to legitimise their victimhood. They lost an election, and they cannot believe that they lost it due to bad policies and wokeism. Just false.
First, I don't know you, but I take it that your entire post is sarcasm. You show not the slightest hint that you mean it to be sarcasm, but I think you are speaking sarcastically when you say green policies are just fine.

Ever hear of Poe's Law?

Let's look at your link. It says that a coal-powered station is closing (Yeah!) and that new overhead transmission lines are now needed to distribute power (Boo!).

Understood. As Kermit the Frog put it, "It's not easy being green." I will not for one minute say that being green is simply something we can switch on and all will be well.

Your link mentions new overhead transmission lines. Yes, we will need those. But that's only the beginning. We will need gigantic solar farms, massive wind turbines, miles of HVDC transmission to interconnect the smaller transmission lines you mention, huge pumped-hydro storage facilities, massive battery storage facilities, electric trucks, and so much more. Our low carbon future will not be easy. And don't get me started on all the mining and destruction of the Earth that would be needed to do all that.

But the alternative? Are you suggesting that we just continue to fuel record breaking warmth and putting our own lives at risk?

By the way, those links above on carbon solutions point to the work of Michael Barnard, an eternal optimist on green energy. I don't quite share his optimism, but I admit that we have no other choice but to attempt something like this to keep any semblance of our industrial society going.

But instead, people have turned to hating the messengers. But sorry, those of us who speak out on climate issues are not the enemy. We are telling you what we see.

Unfortunately, it is much easier to hate the messenger then to work together to solve this mess.
Solar farms a solution?

 
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You sound as if you are angry because Democrats had "weak" candidates and that left voters no choice but to vote for a 34 times convicted felon with a NYS tax judgment against him for defrauding the state of half a billion dollars in taxes and many other indictments derailed by his "presidential immunity.

If you look at economic statistics, Biden's record was superlative. If you look at the legislation he passed through Congress (what a quaint idea--including Congress!) he accomplished more than any president in decades. If you look at historians' work, he is ranked #14 while the current president is ranked last.

Maybe it was voters' fault, not only for excusing the unbelievably compelling disqualifying character traits--but also believing his continual character assassinations and other falsehoods.

Buyer's remorse? We learn from our failures, and we can move on from them.
I'm simply saying Democrats dropping the ball is why Trump was able to make a comeback. I'm placing blame on the DNC rather than the voters.
 
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Solar farms a solution?
Yes.

Your point seems to be that green solutions have many problems of their own. I agree. Switching from fossil fuels to solar and wind power just swaps out one set of problems for another. I have already mentioned that.

But the alternative, that of burning all the fossil fuels we can find until we drive global warming far beyond safe levels for humanity, is a far worse choice.
 
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I'm simply saying Democrats dropping the ball is why Trump was able to make a comeback. I'm placing blame on the DNC rather than the voters.
No. Republicans had a choice also.
 
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Do we all not live with a deep guilt, perhaps yet unconscious, that we have betrayed life and sold out to falsity in service to the ego. We have even appropriated our religion. and thus toxify our spirituality. Unless we can see ourselves in the lepers of our day we are missing what is really important. It is the opportunity for solidarity that makes us human.
"EVERY MOMENT AND EVERY EVENT of every man’s life on earth plants something in his soul. For just as the wind carries thousands of invisible and visible winged seeds, so the stream of time brings with it germs of spiritual vitality that come to rest imperceptibly in the minds and wills of men. Most of these unnumbered seeds perish and are lost, because men are not prepared to receive them: for such seeds as these can not spring up anywhere except in the good soil of liberty and desire. The mind that is the prisoner of its own pleasure and the will that is the captive of its own desire cannot accept the seeds of a higher pleasure and a supernatural desire." - Merton Seeds of Contemplation

I think we can safely concludes that we live in a decadent world and country. O, there are many good people and people with good intentions. But our wills have been bent and not just by some original human sin. Daily we make choices that are quite often based on morally misaligned desires. this aberration of the will is bipartisan. Whether Left or Right there is ample opportunity for aberration.
 
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Solar farms a solution?

That's basically just an ad for a company that does...solar parking lots. Still solar, just somewhere else. I agree, solar parking lots are a great idea. Lots of open space, no pesky tree cover or vegetation to work around, easy access for servicing, proximity to businesses that will use the power. And they have the added bonus of keeping my car cooler in the summer. Everyone wins!
 
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