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Trump and Hitler = Stochastic Terrorism?

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It is a definition.

You are questioning a definition. LOL

I gave you exactly what you asked.
No you didn’t, Definitions were not the topic . You gave a list of stuff you said sounded like what you had heard from right wing media. Prove that, I did not ask you for definitions.
 
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Right that's why he was virtually identical to Napoleon, Hitler, Stalin et al during his first term in office.

Hopefully, our Constitution will prevent that. As long as as we have a President who respects the oath s(he) takes to preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution.

BTW, do you recall Donald's remark before the 2016 election?

"I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn't lose any voters, OK?" Trump remarked at a campaign stop at Dordt College in Sioux Center, Iowa.

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo...-shoot-somebody-and-i-wouldnt-lose-any-voters


Maybe he meant this as a joke. Or maybe it's another sign of his megalomania.
 
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No you didn’t, Definitions were not the topic .
You asked about my first comment in the post. My first comment was the definition of stochastic terrorism. I gave you what you asked for.
You gave a list of stuff you said sounded like what you had heard from right wing media. Prove that, I did not ask you for definitions.
Now you are moving goalposts. You first accused me of flaming republicans, which is not true, and you have moved on to right wing media. Are you accusing me of flaming right wing media for their coverage attacking gay, undocumented immigrants, Drag Queens, trans-persons, Black Lives Matters, ANTIFA, and liberals? It is well known that these hot-button issues are all covered negatively by right wing media. Prove me wrong.
 
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0.5 to 5% is not what one considers a good percentage. Perhaps all you are describing is what you really think of the younger generations today.

How common is narcissistic personality disorder?​

Experts aren’t sure how common NPD is. According to research data, between 0.5% and 5% of people in the U.S. may have it.

What you feel to realize is your statistics are from those who are part of the problem that make us such. Society as a whole has become self-centered, narcissistic, know it all, no nothings. Who can’t even get out of bed on time. Yet blame everybody else for everything that is going on in their lives We all in reality are the issue. Each and every one of us feed into this to one degree or another.. But by all means please, continue..
 
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You suggested arresting these people. Again, I ask

For what? Poor taste?

For indirectly inciting members of the public to assassinate the President.


Stochastic terrorism is targeted political violence that has been instigated by hostile public rhetoric directed at a group or individual. Unlike incitement to terrorism, this is accomplished by using indirect, vague, or coded language that allows the instigator to plausibly disclaim responsibility for the resulting violence.[1] A key element is the use of social media and other distributed forms of communications where the person who carries out the violence has no direct connection to the users of violent rhetoric. Stochastic terrorism - Wikipedia
 
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For indirectly inciting members of the public to assassinate the President.
To do that they would really need some hard evidence that that was the intent. (There hasn't even been an attempted assassination of the President of the United States since 1981, so we are speaking in hypothetical or hyperbole.)
Stochastic terrorism is targeted political violence that has been instigated by hostile public rhetoric directed at a group or individual. Unlike incitement to terrorism, this is accomplished by using indirect, vague, or coded language that allows the instigator to plausibly disclaim responsibility for the resulting violence.[1] A key element is the use of social media and other distributed forms of communications where the person who carries out the violence has no direct connection to the users of violent rhetoric. Stochastic terrorism - Wikipedia
Notice how intent in implicit in this definition?
 
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What you feel to realize is your statistics are from those who are part of the problem that make us such. Society as a whole has become self-centered, narcissistic, know it all, no nothings. Who can’t even get out of bed on time. Yet blame everybody else for everything that is going on in their lives We all in reality are the issue. Each and every one of us feed into this to one degree or another.. But by all means please, continue..
The Cleveland Clinic is part of the problem? They are a pretty reputable hospital. I know very few narcissists, but just a little selfishness within most people does not mean they have NPD.
 
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To do that they would really need some hard evidence that that was the intent. (There hasn't even been an attempted assassination of the President of the United States since 1981, so we are speaking in hypothetical or hyperbole.)

We've never seen such a concerted mass media effort to characterize the President as Hitler. The media's treatment of Donald Trump is unprecedented.

The President is already assumed to be a target of assassination attempts. (hence the SS protection) To have most major media outlets and major social media influencers all putting out messaging that the President is Adolf Hitler for years and years, is undoubtedly ratcheting up the probability of an assassination attempt.

They are basically marketing an assassination by constantly blending the image of Donald Trump and Adolf Hitler to a mass audience over a long period of time. A reasonable argument could be made that this is stochastic terrorism.
 
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We've never seen such a concerted mass media effort to characterize the President as Hitler.
Who is calling Joe Biden "Hitler"?
The media's treatment of Donald Trump is unprecedented.
Trump is unprecedented.
The President is already assumed to be a target of assassination attempts. (hence the SS protection)
No attempts have been made on Joe Biden's life. (And it is USSS, they don't like "SS" for reasons that should be obvious, doubly so when references to Hitler are being made near by.)
To have most major media outlets and major social media influencers all putting out messaging that the President is Adolf Hitler for years and years, is undoubtedly ratcheting up the probability of an assassination attempt.
Again, who is calling Joe Biden "Hitler"?
They are basically marketing an assassination by constantly blending the image of Donald Trump and Adolf Hitler to a mass audience over a long period of time. A reasonable argument could be made that this is stochastic terrorism.
Oh, I see your problem. Let me clear this up for you, currently (in 2024) "the President" is Joseph Robinette Biden Junior. If something befalls him "the President" would be Kamala Harris, but has not happened. Donald Trump is not currently (nor has been for the last 3.5 years) "the President".

Calling Trump "America's Hitler"* is not an incitement to violence. It is a characterization of Trump's politics, particularly the mode or his rise to power.

If you want an indirect threat against a person, you could say that Person X is in Group Y. While also, at slightly different times that Group Y is guilty of Z, and at a third time that those guilty of Z deserve violence/death. Repeat each multiple times, but never use both in the same speech. That might be something like an incitement of stochastic terrorism against group Y and person Z.

*J.D. Vance, 2016
 
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Offensive derogatory nicknames and egregious inflammatory comments about public figures may be considered goading.

Think about it!

If you are even thinking about it; just don't!





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The Cleveland Clinic is part of the problem? They are a pretty reputable hospital. I know very few narcissists, but just a little selfishness within most people does not mean they have NPD.
Society as a whole,!so yes. Smarter one gets the worse it gets. But sadly even the moronic are playin suit. Me, me me and if something goes wrong it is everyone else ‘s fault but me. And I will gladly show you so you focus on them. They are the problem.

If you can’t see. That is ok. But don’t come on here acting and spout as if trump is this or that. We are in or heading in the same direction if we are not mindful of it.
 
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Calling Trump "America's Hitler"* is not an incitement to violence.

Oh, it surely is. I think you know that. What do we do with Hitler?

Now we have this unique situation where the entirety of the mass media landscape is being concertedly saturated with the Trump-Hitler meme over and over again for years. This is simply unprecedented.

Major media figures and social media influencers are promoting this Trump-Hitler idea over and over again.

Again, what should we do to Hitler?

"Trump Hitler Trump Hitler, Threat to Democracy, Must be eliminated!", over and over again from virtually every major media channel. They knew it was just a matter of time until some disturbed person actually believed them and acted on it. And last Saturday, someone did.

Sounds like stochastic terrorism to me, and it should probably be investigated.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-media-max-width="560"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">They are going to regret this on election day. <a href="x.com">pic.twitter.com/jdrwlV9qvH</a></p>&mdash; Charles (@chiefbacher) <a href=" ">July 15, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
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Oh, it surely is. I think you know that. What do we do with Hitler?
Then I guess you have an issue with Trump's new VP pick Vance since he is the one who compared Trump to Hitler.
 
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Nothing? You do realize Hitler shot *himself*, right?

And if the next Hitler *doesn't* shoot himself? ... and if the next Hitler is popular among voters and rising in the polls?

What then?

That is the extremely alarmist narrative that's been pumping out of our major media channels for the last several years.
 
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And if the next Hitler *doesn't* shoot himself? ... and if the next Hitler is popular among voters and rising in the polls?

What then?

That is the extremely alarmist narrative that's been pumping out of our major media channels for the last several years.
You write this as if we have a goal in mind. A goal that looks like what happened this weekend. You couldn't be further from the truth.
 
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Hopefully, our Constitution will prevent that. As long as as we have a President who respects the oath s(he) takes to preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution.

BTW, do you recall Donald's remark before the 2016 election?

"I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn't lose any voters, OK?" Trump remarked at a campaign stop at Dordt College in Sioux Center, Iowa.

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo...-shoot-somebody-and-i-wouldnt-lose-any-voters


Maybe he meant this as a joke. Or maybe it's another sign of his megalomania.
No it's not hopefully anything, because he's nothing like that. He ran a reasonably good presidency. Get the poison out of your system. It's hurting you more than him.
 
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You write this as if we have a goal in mind. A goal that looks like what happened this weekend. You couldn't be further from the truth.

I'm not accusing anyone, but that is the logical conclusion to the mass media messaging. And someone mentally/spiritually disturbed enough was bound to simply believe the messaging.

Something I didn't really mention yet is that all of this is happening in a social environment of *actual* death threats against President Trump, whether it be by celebrities or countless tweets, etc. Easy to look up. And everyone knows those sentiments have been allowed to run wild across social media since Trump ran in 2015. (otherwise referred to as Trump Derangement Syndrome)

That media foreknowledge of an actively hostile mass audience with which to play the Trump-Hitler messaging off of makes the case for stochastic terrorism that much more convincing, in my opinion.
 
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One thing I think no one can dispute is that, as a culture, we are sick.

This a million times over. I found the images disturbing and would never produce that. Are we so desensitized we're no longer bothered? Seriously.

There are so many manifestation, defining characteristics of this sickness from mass shootings, to the leaders we vote for. id it fundamental narcissism? Is it despair? What is it about a culture that would feed into something like stochastic terrorism.

We're reaching the point of unreasonableness and there's nowhere to go from there but implosion. Who would promote a term like that in light of the current. That's the last thing we need to hear.

Any history buffs here? How would you diagnose Nazi Germany? What do you see today?

I have been looking at the theological side of it, brushing up on history of theology since the reformation.
Still working on it.

Are you interested in what led up to events or what occurred during their rule?

~bella
 
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