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THE LAW OF MOSES FLOWS FROM THE TEN COMMANDMENTS

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THE LAW OF MOSES FLOWS FROM THE TEN COMMANDMENTS

The Ten Commandments are the foundation of God's covenant with Israel. They were not simply one part among many laws, they were the heart of the covenant, spoken directly by God to the people, written by His own finger on tablets of stone, and meant to be kept above all else. In Deuteronomy 4:13, Moses says, “So He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone.” This shows that the Ten Commandments are not just moral suggestions, but the very terms of the covenant that God made with His people.

When the Israelites were brought out of Egypt, they were a large group, around 600,000 men, not counting women and children. These people had lived as slaves for generations. They had no education, no knowledge of God’s ways, no written laws, and no structure to live by. When God led them into the wilderness, they had to be taught everything from the ground up. For forty years, they wandered in the desert, and during that time, God used Moses to give them a full system of laws. These laws are often called the Law of Moses, but they were not separate from God’s covenant, they were built on it. Every law Moses gave was based on the Ten Commandments and explained how to live those commands in real life at that time. They showed what it meant to be holy, just, merciful, and pure—not only in heart, but in actions, habits, and how they treated one another.

The first part of the Ten Commandments teaches the people how to love and honour God. God began by saying, “You shall have no other gods before Me.” This command was the call to complete loyalty. The Law of Moses expands this by giving clear instructions to destroy idols, not follow after other nations’ gods, and not even speak the names of foreign deities. In Exodus 23:24, God says, “You shall not bow down to their gods, nor serve them, nor do according to their works.” These commands helped protect the people from falling into idolatry, which had surrounded them in Egypt and would surround them again in the land of Canaan. God also said, “You shall not make for yourself a carved image.” This was about keeping worship pure. The Law of Moses warned strongly against using images or statues in worship, even if people claimed they represented God. In Deuteronomy 27:15, it says, “Cursed is the one who makes a carved or molded image.” These laws taught the people that God is holy, invisible, and not to be shaped or limited by human hands.

Another command says, “You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain.” This is about respect for God’s name, which stands for His character and authority. The Law of Moses warns against using God’s name falsely, especially in oaths or deceit. Leviticus 19:12 says, “And you shall not swear by My name falsely, nor shall you profane the name of your God.” These commands taught the people that their words matter, and God’s name must be treated with reverence.

God also said, “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.” This command connected directly to the creation, when God rested on the seventh day and made it holy. It was not only a day of rest, but a sign between God and His people. In Exodus 31:13, God says, “Surely My Sabbaths you shall keep, for it is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations.” The Law of Moses gave more detailed instructions about how to keep the Sabbath holy: no gathering of food, no work, no lighting of fires, and no buying or selling. These rules helped shape the Sabbath as a day of rest and worship, where the people stopped their normal labor and remembered their Creator. It reminded them they were no longer slaves who worked every day, but free people with a God who provided for them.

The second part of the Ten Commandments teaches the people how to treat one another. The first command in this section is “Honor your father and your mother.” This command is about respect, obedience, and care within the family. The Law of Moses reinforces this by giving laws that protect the authority of parents and warn against dishonoring them. In Exodus 21:15 and 17, it says that one who strikes or curses a parent should face serious punishment. These laws showed that family respect was the foundation for a respectful and orderly society.

God also said, “You shall not murder.” This command is simple, but the Law of Moses explains what it means in real life. It distinguishes between murder and accidental killing. In Numbers 35:16–24, there are laws about cities of refuge, where someone who killed another by accident could flee to be judged fairly. These laws were built to preserve justice and protect life while preventing revenge and rash decisions.

The command “You shall not commit adultery” was also expanded in the Law. In Leviticus 18 and Deuteronomy 22, we find clear rules about sexual purity, marriage, and forbidden relationships. These laws protected marriage as something sacred, not just between two people, but before God. They taught the people to be faithful, to avoid lust and impurity, and to guard the home.

God said, “You shall not steal.” The Law of Moses gave details about how to handle theft—how much to repay, what to do if something was stolen and later found, and how to make things right. In Exodus 22:1–4, we read about restoring what was stolen, and even paying double in some cases. These laws promoted fairness, trust, and responsibility.
Another command says, “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbour.” This is about telling the truth, especially in court and serious matters. The Law of Moses taught that a person should not join with the wicked to give false testimony, nor should they follow a crowd to do evil. In Exodus 23:1–2, God says, “You shall not circulate a false report.” These laws helped protect the innocent, guide judges, and ensure that justice was done with truth.
Finally, God said, “You shall not covet.” This is not just about actions, but about the heart. Coveting leads to other sins like stealing, lying, adultery, or even murder. The Law of Moses taught contentment, honesty in business, fairness in inheritance, and trust in God’s provision. These laws helped the people control their desires and live with integrity.

Besides these moral and civil laws, God also gave laws for health, cleanliness, and sanitation. Because the people were living in camps in the wilderness with no doctors, no hospitals, and no proper water systems, God gave them practical rules to protect them. In Leviticus 13–15, we find laws about skin diseases, washing after touching a dead body, and how to handle mold or sickness. In Deuteronomy 23:12–14, God commands them to dig a hole outside the camp and cover their waste. These may seem simple, but they were vital for a large community living in close quarters. They helped stop the spread of disease and reminded the people to live clean and orderly lives before God, who said, “For the Lord your God walks in the midst of your camp... therefore your camp shall be holy.”

All of these laws, the moral, civil, and health-related, were not random or separate. They were deeply connected to the Ten Commandments. The commandments were the root, and the other laws were the branches, showing how to apply God’s covenant in every part of life. God was teaching a people who knew nothing, shaping them into a nation that reflected His holiness, justice, and mercy.

When Jesus came, He confirmed this by saying He did not come to destroy the law, but to fulfill it. In Matthew 5:17–19, He said, “Whoever breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven.” He later said the whole law is built on two great truths: love God with all your heart and love your neighbour as yourself. These two commands are the heart of the Ten Commandments. They do not replace them—they explain their spirit. And the Law of Moses, in all its details, was given to help God’s people live out these holy values in the real world.

Blessings,
 
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Hi JFF, Your thread would probably fit better in the Sabbath and the Law section.

I appreciate your effort to now recognize that the Book of the Law is also part of the Sinai Covenant and explain how it complements the Ten Commandments. However, I must try to help you understand that New Covenant Christians and furthermore no one is subject to the now defunct Sinai Covenant. We certainly glean much from the Law and it surely should be part of our understanding.

Jesus came to save the Jews from the ministry of death, the law. Matt5: 17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.

What does it mean to fulfill the Law and the Prophets. The prophets prophesied the coming of Jesus. Jesus coming fulfilled those prophesies, so He brought those prophesies to an end. The sentence also contains the Law, He brought the Law to an end. So many argue that He didn't bring it to an end, but how else can we distinguish two different meanings for what He did for the prophesies and the Law. Jesus even said not any part of the Law could be eliminated until everything He came to do was accomplished or fulfilled. The question then becomes di Jesus accomplish everything He came to do? Why would anyone disagree that Jesus didn't finish everything He came to do? Jews were subject to the Law until everything Jesus came to do was fulfilled. The last thing Jesus came to do was to die for our sins. His shed blood covers mankind's sins and His blood also ratified the new and better covenant that not only was for Jews, but for all mankind.

Some argue that the New Covenant is just the old one warmed over (my definition). If that would be true then why in Jeramiah 31 was it prophesied that a new one would be coming? Since Jesus brought to an end the Old Covenant Law, we New Covenant Christians have to find how to live with each other. In
Jn 15:9 “As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you. Now remain in my love. 10 If you keep my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have kept my Father’s commands and remain in his love. 11 I have told you this so that my joy may be in you and that your joy may be complete. 12 My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you. 13 Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one’s life for one’s friends. 14 You are my friends if you do what I command.

What would the people of this World be like if we loved our fellow man like Jesus loves us? What would the World be like if everyone loved Jesus? What other commands would be needed? Love is the great theme of the New Testament. Why is it some people ignore love in favor of the thou shalt nots?
 
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Hi JFF, Your thread would probably fit better in the Sabbath and the Law section.

I appreciate your effort to now recognize that the Book of the Law is also part of the Sinai Covenant and explain how it complements the Ten Commandments. However, I must try to help you understand that New Covenant Christians and furthermore no one is subject to the now defunct Sinai Covenant. We certainly glean much from the Law and it surely should be part of our understanding.

Jesus came to save the Jews from the ministry of death, the law. Matt5: 17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.

What does it mean to fulfill the Law and the Prophets. The prophets prophesied the coming of Jesus. Jesus coming fulfilled those prophesies, so He brought those prophesies to an end. The sentence also contains the Law, He brought the Law to an end. So many argue that He didn't bring it to an end, but how else can we distinguish two different meanings for what He did for the prophesies and the Law. Jesus even said not any part of the Law could be eliminated until everything He came to do was accomplished or fulfilled. The question then becomes di Jesus accomplish everything He came to do? Why would anyone disagree that Jesus didn't finish everything He came to do? Jews were subject to the Law until everything Jesus came to do was fulfilled. The last thing Jesus came to do was to die for our sins. His shed blood covers mankind's sins and His blood also ratified the new and better covenant that not only was for Jews, but for all mankind.

Some argue that the New Covenant is just the old one warmed over (my definition). If that would be true then why in Jeramiah 31 was it prophesied that a new one would be coming? Since Jesus brought to an end the Old Covenant Law, we New Covenant Christians have to find how to live with each other. In
Jn 15:9 “As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you. Now remain in my love. 10 If you keep my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have kept my Father’s commands and remain in his love. 11 I have told you this so that my joy may be in you and that your joy may be complete. 12 My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you. 13 Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one’s life for one’s friends. 14 You are my friends if you do what I command.

What would the people of this World be like if we loved our fellow man like Jesus loves us? What would the World be like if everyone loved Jesus? What other commands would be needed? Love is the great theme of the New Testament. Why is it some people ignore love in favor of the thou shalt nots?
Bob those who have recieved the Holy Spirit know the trurh, you will not understand until you truly believe scripture and what jesus was teaching, you prefer another gospel, its your choice.
 
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Bob those who have recieved the Holy Spirit know the trurh, you will not understand until you truly believe scripture and what jesus was teaching, you prefer another gospel, its your choice.
Your statement reeks of judgment JFF. I would like to know what Gospel you believe I prefer? I would really like to know why you cast judgment in place of refuting what I wrote in post #3.
 
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Your statement reeks of judgment JFF. I would like to know what Gospel you believe I prefer? I would really like to know why you cast judgment in place of refuting what I wrote in post #3.
Bob I have many times in the recent past explained these things in post 3. you speak of judgment, I judge no one but speak of what I know.I am sorry if is sounded as a judgment, it was not. A bad choice of words probably as a french speaking person it happens sometimes. Please consider that Perhaps it is you who Judge GOD by refuting what is written about the law? Like I explained many times before FULFILL had many different meaning. in this one that we discussed so many times before it does mean to end.

In any case if you want to continue to discuss, like I mentioned before please do prove your point with scripture like I asked before, for now, we turn round and round and we go nowhere. You have to look at Scripture as a whole and not just focus on a single verse. The message of Jesus reflects the Old Testament perfectly. It is a rich and deep message that speaks about many important things—like obedience, faith, righteousness, holiness, love, mercy, justice, repentance, forgiveness, humility, grace, and absolute trust in God. All these things are connected. Jesus didn’t bring a new message but fulfilled what was already written. To truly understand His words, we must see how they agree with the Law, the Prophets, and the teachings of God from the beginning.

Also like you mentioned in post 3, you use your own definitions, well we cannot do that, I think scripture is enough to know the true meaning without any one us adding to it. Let the Holy Spirit of GOD guide you!
 
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Two questions Jff, did Jesus bring to an end the prophesies concerning His coming?

Do you believe Jesus came and accomplished everything He came to do?

I believe He did and I believe He ended the prophesies about His coming which means He also ended the Law. (Fulfill the Law and the prophets)
 
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Two questions Jff, did Jesus bring to an end the prophesies concerning His coming?

Do you believe Jesus came and accomplished everything He came to do?

I believe He did and I believe He ended the prophesies about His coming which means He also ended the Law. (Fulfill the Law and the prophets)
you may nor remember but i did answers all these questions before and quoted scrupture. This is what i mean when i wrote we turn round and round.
 
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The Ten Commandments are the foundation of God's covenant with Israel.
Agreed. Not with Christians, not with Gentiles. With Israel.

Disagreed with "are". The right term is "were". Until Christ.
God also said, “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.” This command connected directly to the creation
Depends on the version. There are two, in Torah - one connects Sabbath to the Genesis 1 mythological drama, another one connects it to the slavery in Egypt. In any case, it is connected to Jewish culture.

When Jesus came, He confirmed this by saying He did not come to destroy the law, but to fulfill it. In Matthew 5:17–19, He said, “Whoever breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven.”
And He later said "it is finished". On the cross.

He later said the whole law is built on two great truths: love God with all your heart and love your neighbour as yourself. These two commands are the heart of the Ten Commandments.
Eh, actually, he did not mention anything about the ten commandments, in this context. He said that, on these two hang "all the Law and the Prophets". Do you know why also the Prophets?
 
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Agreed. Not with Christians, not with Gentiles. With Israel.
started with Israel since there was no one else around in the desert, later was for everyone who wanted to be grafted to the vine, see parables of jesus on this. ANYONE CAN JOIN jews and gentiles.
Disagreed with "are". The right term is "were". Until Christ
Depends on the version. There are two, in Torah - one connects Sabbath to the Genesis 1 mythological drama, another one connects it to the slavery in Egypt. In any case, it is connected to Jewish culture.

And He later said "it is finished". On the cross.

what was finished on the cross?
"It is finished" means the completion of Jesus’ redemptive work—his mission to save humanity, fulfill prophecy, and establish a new relationship between God and mankind. It is a word of triumph, not defeat, because what was "finished" was the necessary sacrifice for sin and the reconciliation of humanity with God.
Eh, actually, he did not mention anything about the ten commandments, in this context. He said that, on these two hang "all the Law and the Prophets". Do you know why also the Prophets?
the 2 are a short version of the 10 to point to love as the basis of the commandments, show me where Jesus abolished the commandments.
 
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started with Israel since there was no one else around in the desert, later was for everyone who wanted to be grafted to the vine, see parables of jesus on this. ANYONE CAN JOIN jews and gentiles.
This response does not make much sense, IMO. It was given to Israel and specifically to Israel. Argument "no one else was around" is weird, God could make such covenants with any nation He would like, with Egypt, with China, with American natives... but did not.

what was finished on the cross?
"It is finished" means the completion of Jesus’ redemptive work—his mission to save humanity, fulfill prophecy, and establish a new relationship between God and mankind.
Which is what the Law was leading to - to bring the Messiah to Israel.

the 2 are a short version of the 10 to point to love as the basis of the commandments
No, they are not "a short version" of anything. They are the greatest commandments and the whole Law and Prophets hanged on them. Do you know why also the Prophets?

show me where Jesus abolished the commandments.
What are you talking about? Why should I show you something like that?
 
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This response does not make much sense, IMO. It was given to Israel and specifically to Israel. Argument "no one else was around" is weird, God could make such covenants with any nation He would like, with Egypt, with China, with American natives... but did not.


Which is what the Law was leading to - to bring the Messiah to Israel.


No, they are not "a short version" of anything. They are the greatest commandments and the whole Law and Prophets hanged on them. Do you know why also the Prophets?


What are you talking about? Why should I show you something like that?
Ok we are done, have a good one and do follow the commandments like Jesus asked us to do he is the only way to eternal life.
 
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Ok we are done, have a good one and do follow the commandments like Jesus asked us to do he is the only way to eternal life.
"We are done" Does that mean you cannot refute what was written and won't admit not having any answers?

The only way to have eternal life is to follow what John said in 1Jn3:19-24. 19 This is how we know that we belong to the truth and how we set our hearts at rest in his presence: 20 If our hearts condemn us, we know that God is greater than our hearts, and he knows everything. 21 Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God 22 and receive from him anything we ask, because we keep his commands and do what pleases him. 23 And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us. 24 The one who keeps God’s commands lives in him, and he in them. And this is how we know that he lives in us: We know it by the Spirit he gave us.

If we were subject to any of the old covenant rituals wouldn't John have mentioned them here? I know I belong to the truth because I believe in Jesus and I love my fellow man. Love is the command written on our hearts. The ten WERE the ministry of death.
 
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THE LAW OF MOSES FLOWS FROM THE TEN COMMANDMENTS

The Ten Commandments are the foundation of God's covenant with Israel. They were not simply one part among many laws, they were the heart of the covenant, spoken directly by God to the people, written by His own finger on tablets of stone, and meant to be kept above all else. In Deuteronomy 4:13, Moses says, “So He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone.” This shows that the Ten Commandments are not just moral suggestions, but the very terms of the covenant that God made with His people.

When the Israelites were brought out of Egypt, they were a large group, around 600,000 men, not counting women and children. These people had lived as slaves for generations. They had no education, no knowledge of God’s ways, no written laws, and no structure to live by. When God led them into the wilderness, they had to be taught everything from the ground up. For forty years, they wandered in the desert, and during that time, God used Moses to give them a full system of laws. These laws are often called the Law of Moses, but they were not separate from God’s covenant, they were built on it. Every law Moses gave was based on the Ten Commandments and explained how to live those commands in real life at that time. They showed what it meant to be holy, just, merciful, and pure—not only in heart, but in actions, habits, and how they treated one another.

The first part of the Ten Commandments teaches the people how to love and honour God. God began by saying, “You shall have no other gods before Me.” This command was the call to complete loyalty. The Law of Moses expands this by giving clear instructions to destroy idols, not follow after other nations’ gods, and not even speak the names of foreign deities. In Exodus 23:24, God says, “You shall not bow down to their gods, nor serve them, nor do according to their works.” These commands helped protect the people from falling into idolatry, which had surrounded them in Egypt and would surround them again in the land of Canaan. God also said, “You shall not make for yourself a carved image.” This was about keeping worship pure. The Law of Moses warned strongly against using images or statues in worship, even if people claimed they represented God. In Deuteronomy 27:15, it says, “Cursed is the one who makes a carved or molded image.” These laws taught the people that God is holy, invisible, and not to be shaped or limited by human hands.

Another command says, “You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain.” This is about respect for God’s name, which stands for His character and authority. The Law of Moses warns against using God’s name falsely, especially in oaths or deceit. Leviticus 19:12 says, “And you shall not swear by My name falsely, nor shall you profane the name of your God.” These commands taught the people that their words matter, and God’s name must be treated with reverence.

God also said, “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.” This command connected directly to the creation, when God rested on the seventh day and made it holy. It was not only a day of rest, but a sign between God and His people. In Exodus 31:13, God says, “Surely My Sabbaths you shall keep, for it is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations.” The Law of Moses gave more detailed instructions about how to keep the Sabbath holy: no gathering of food, no work, no lighting of fires, and no buying or selling. These rules helped shape the Sabbath as a day of rest and worship, where the people stopped their normal labor and remembered their Creator. It reminded them they were no longer slaves who worked every day, but free people with a God who provided for them.

The second part of the Ten Commandments teaches the people how to treat one another. The first command in this section is “Honor your father and your mother.” This command is about respect, obedience, and care within the family. The Law of Moses reinforces this by giving laws that protect the authority of parents and warn against dishonoring them. In Exodus 21:15 and 17, it says that one who strikes or curses a parent should face serious punishment. These laws showed that family respect was the foundation for a respectful and orderly society.

God also said, “You shall not murder.” This command is simple, but the Law of Moses explains what it means in real life. It distinguishes between murder and accidental killing. In Numbers 35:16–24, there are laws about cities of refuge, where someone who killed another by accident could flee to be judged fairly. These laws were built to preserve justice and protect life while preventing revenge and rash decisions.

The command “You shall not commit adultery” was also expanded in the Law. In Leviticus 18 and Deuteronomy 22, we find clear rules about sexual purity, marriage, and forbidden relationships. These laws protected marriage as something sacred, not just between two people, but before God. They taught the people to be faithful, to avoid lust and impurity, and to guard the home.

God said, “You shall not steal.” The Law of Moses gave details about how to handle theft—how much to repay, what to do if something was stolen and later found, and how to make things right. In Exodus 22:1–4, we read about restoring what was stolen, and even paying double in some cases. These laws promoted fairness, trust, and responsibility.
Another command says, “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbour.” This is about telling the truth, especially in court and serious matters. The Law of Moses taught that a person should not join with the wicked to give false testimony, nor should they follow a crowd to do evil. In Exodus 23:1–2, God says, “You shall not circulate a false report.” These laws helped protect the innocent, guide judges, and ensure that justice was done with truth.
Finally, God said, “You shall not covet.” This is not just about actions, but about the heart. Coveting leads to other sins like stealing, lying, adultery, or even murder. The Law of Moses taught contentment, honesty in business, fairness in inheritance, and trust in God’s provision. These laws helped the people control their desires and live with integrity.

Besides these moral and civil laws, God also gave laws for health, cleanliness, and sanitation. Because the people were living in camps in the wilderness with no doctors, no hospitals, and no proper water systems, God gave them practical rules to protect them. In Leviticus 13–15, we find laws about skin diseases, washing after touching a dead body, and how to handle mold or sickness. In Deuteronomy 23:12–14, God commands them to dig a hole outside the camp and cover their waste. These may seem simple, but they were vital for a large community living in close quarters. They helped stop the spread of disease and reminded the people to live clean and orderly lives before God, who said, “For the Lord your God walks in the midst of your camp... therefore your camp shall be holy.”
All of these laws, the moral, civil, and health-related,
The Levitical laws had nothing to do with health, and everything to do with teaching the meaning of spiritual defilement (sin) and the remedy for sin (blood sacrifice).
were not random or separate. They were deeply connected to the Ten Commandments. The commandments were the root, and the other laws were the branches, showing how to apply God’s covenant in every part of life. God was teaching a people who knew nothing, shaping them into a nation that reflected His holiness, justice, and mercy.

When Jesus came, He confirmed this by saying He did not come to destroy the law, but to fulfill it. In Matthew 5:17–19, He said, “Whoever breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven.” He later said the whole law is built on two great truths: love God with all your heart and love your neighbour as yourself. These two commands are the heart of the Ten Commandments. They do not replace them—they explain their spirit. And the Law of Moses, in all its details, was given to help God’s people live out these holy values in the real world.

Blessings,
 
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Ok we are done, have a good one and do follow the commandments like Jesus asked us to do he is the only way to eternal life.
It is interesting that so many claim that the Ten Commandments were abolished, annulled, or canceled. That they no longer apply to Gentiles, or some such reasoning. So, my question to them is this: Which of those "big ten" do you feel comfortable breaking, considering 1John3:4; Rev 12:17,14:12 & 22:14? (KJV) Plus, Matt 5:19, etc.. I find that some folks simply do not want to be told what to do, or instructed on how to do it (acceptable obedience/action/life-style) in observing/following God's will). Then some claim that they follow only Jesus. My question then is, How many of the "general" commandments/instructions of Jesus do you know, understand and observe to do (not those instruction given to individuals or groups for a specific time or task)? My last count stands at 138, addressing 21 spiritual areas. Then some primarily follow only the Apostolic teachings. A good choice, but incomplete. when separated from the instructions of Jesus. Some folks follow after the Holy Spirit. Another good choice. However my experience has been that these folks often confuse and substitute their good ideas for what the Scriptures teaches. Not testing what they perceive be true against the word of God. /sigh/ The result: over 40,000 denominations claiming they have "the truth", or least more of the Truth than their neighbors. The fix: It is You, the Word and the Holy Spirit, then living one's life in the light that you have, and continually seeking a greater degree of spiritual maturity. Western, Greek thinking believers seek after knowledge, while Hebrew thinkers seek after "what must I do to please God". I attempt to follow the latter.
 
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"We are done" Does that mean you cannot refute what was written and won't admit not having any answers?

The only way to have eternal life is to follow what John said in 1Jn3:19-24. 19 This is how we know that we belong to the truth and how we set our hearts at rest in his presence: 20 If our hearts condemn us, we know that God is greater than our hearts, and he knows everything. 21 Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God 22 and receive from him anything we ask, because we keep his commands and do what pleases him. 23 And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us. 24 The one who keeps God’s commands lives in him, and he in them. And this is how we know that he lives in us: We know it by the Spirit he gave us.

If we were subject to any of the old covenant rituals wouldn't John have mentioned them here? I know I belong to the truth because I believe in Jesus and I love my fellow man. Love is the command written on our hearts. The ten WERE the ministry of death.
No Bob, I have given you already the answers on this topic that is all, if you follow the verses you posted in 1jn3:19-14 that John got from Jesus then all is good as long as you do not forget this part; "and receive from him anything we ask, because we keep his commands and do what pleases him."

Blessings Bob
 
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The Levitical laws had nothing to do with health, and everything to do with teaching the meaning of spiritual defilement (sin) and the remedy for sin (blood sacrifice).
Claire was not leprosy a disease? Leveticus describes it and what to to to avoid it..many had to do with health;

Deuteronomy 24:8
Deu 24:8 Take heed in the plague of leprosy, that thou observe diligently, and do according to all that the priests the Levites shall teach you: as I commanded them, so ye shall observe to do.

Lev 22:4 What man soever of the seed of Aaron is a leper, or hath a running issue; he shall not eat of the holy things, until he be clean. And whoso toucheth any thing that is unclean by the dead, or a man whose seed goeth from him;

see the whole chapter, Leviticus 14 about health and disease. some laws were about health and how to avoid sickness and remaining healthy.
 
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, we turn round and round and we go nowhere. You have to look at Scripture as a whole and not just focus on a single verse.

Exactly, and when you do that, it becomes clear that the Mosaic Law has been superseded, and salvation is not gained by adhering to the Ten Commandments.

Furthermore, the idea that worship on Sunday is somehow sinful, particularly in the case of churches that also worship on Saturday, like the Orthodox Church, contradicts the express statements of St. Paul in Colossians 2:16.
 
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No Bob, I have given you already the answers on this topic that is all, if you follow the verses you posted in 1jn3:19-14 that John got from Jesus then all is good as long as you do not forget this part; "and receive from him anything we ask, because we keep his commands and do what pleases him."

Blessings Bob
If I folllowed your advice on keeping commands I would be keeping the ritual commands given only to Israel in the old covenant. John, in the next sentence, goes on to tell us what commands WE are to observe. Funny they do not jive with your instructions. AND HIS COMMANDMENTS ARE: And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us.

I choose to follow the New Testament teachings on how to serve God and my fellow man. I am not saved because of my works, I am saved by the blood of the Lamb. Teaching that we have to keep days is diametrically opposed to any teaching in the New Testament.
 
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