• Starting today August 7th, 2024, in order to post in the Married Couples, Courting Couples, or Singles forums, you will not be allowed to post if you have your Marital status designated as private. Announcements will be made in the respective forums as well but please note that if yours is currently listed as Private, you will need to submit a ticket in the Support Area to have yours changed.

  • CF has always been a site that welcomes people from different backgrounds and beliefs to participate in discussion and even debate. That is the nature of its ministry. In view of recent events emotions are running very high. We need to remind people of some basic principles in debating on this site. We need to be civil when we express differences in opinion. No personal attacks. Avoid you, your statements. Don't characterize an entire political party with comparisons to Fascism or Communism or other extreme movements that committed atrocities. CF is not the place for broad brush or blanket statements about groups and political parties. Put the broad brushes and blankets away when you come to CF, better yet, put them in the incinerator. Debate had no place for them. We need to remember that people that commit acts of violence represent themselves or a small extreme faction.

The good shepherd

Door of the sheep

The way, the truth and the life

There is none before Him

And none after Him

He comes to save and to give

To have life abundantly

Jesus, the Christ

He Is the good shepherd

Laid His life for them

He knows His own

And they know His voice

Blessed are those who are His

Blessed be the King

Blessed be the King indeed
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Our partner in Indonesia trains and equips Christian leaders who are from a Muslim background, giving them a biblical understanding of mission and preparing them to reach out in areas where they may face persecution for the gospel.

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that God will bless and protect our partner; particularly for strength to manage the heavy responsibilities carried on a daily basis.


Pray for recent graduates from the mission training as they return to their ministry locations: that the Lord will give them boldness as well as discernment in sharing Christ with those around them. Many have already experienced persecution and hardship.

Pray for Indonesia, a hugely populated country, which faces many on-going challenges. Pray for the millions of Indonesians who live in spiritual darkness, and who have never heard the gospel.

Pray for Christians from a Muslim background, who often face rejection and persecution from their communities. At the same time, they can also find it difficult to fit into the existing Christian culture and churches.

Indonesia has the largest Muslim population in the world and accounts for 13% of all Muslims globally.

Liberal Protestant churches proclaim 'holiness' of transgenderism, rebuke Catholic bishops

Several liberal Protestant and Jewish denominations declared transgenderism "holy" this week in direct rebuke of a vote by the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB) to bar transgender procedures in Catholic healthcare facilities.

"During a time when our country is placing their lives under increasingly serious threat, there is a disgraceful misconception that all people of faith do not affirm the full spectrum of gender — a great many of us do," read the Wednesday statement, which included signatures of leaders from The Episcopal Church, the Presbyterian Church (USA), the United Church of Christ (UCC), the Unitarian Universalist Association, the Union for Reform Judaism, an association of Quakers and others.

“Let it be known instead that our beloveds are created in the image of God — Holy and whole," the statement said of transgender-identifying individuals.

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America Is the ‘No. 1 Buyer of Boys and Girls Around the World’—Tim Tebow Talks About Fighting Sexual Slavery on ‘Flagrant’ Podcast

Tebow, author of the new book “Look Again,” appeared on a popular podcast this week to discuss his faith and his advocacy work. On the Nov. 12 episode of “Flagrant,” hosted by comedians Andrew Schulz and Akaash Singh, Tebow talked about Christianity, living out his faith, and working to save children trapped in sexual slavery.

Tebow, 38, is a former professional athlete, Heisman Trophy winner, and new father. While playing sports, he was often mocked for kneeling in prayer, wearing Bible verses in his eye black, and pledging to remain a virgin until marriage.

This week’s conversation on “Flagrant” began with some of those topics, giving Tebow opportunities to share the gospel message. The activist then spent a large chunk of time addressing the evils of child trafficking and exploitation—and how he’s working to combat them.

Tim Tebow: ‘God Is Not Far From the Suffering’


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Gallup: Drop in U.S. Religiosity Among Largest in World

The 17-point drop in the percentage of U.S. adults who say religion is an important part of their daily life — from 66% in 2015 to 49% today — ranks among the largest Gallup has recorded in any country over any 10-year period since 2007.

About half of Americans now say religion is not an important part of their daily life. They remain as divided on the question today as they were last year.

As religiosity has declined in the U.S., the gap between the U.S. and the global median has widened. The global median for religiosity has remained stable for nearly two decades, averaging 81% since 2007 and reaching 83% last year, the most current full-year data available.

At the same time, attitudes in the U.S. are drawing closer to those in other advanced economies.

U.S. Now Occupies Unique Spot in Global Religiosity​

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Is engineering a ‘super’ human being a good idea?

According to reports in The Wall Street Journal, billionaires in Silicon Valley are trying to expand the frontiers of genetic engineering in the eternal quest to create genetically engineered human beings with enhanced intelligence and traits preferred in different cultures.

Editing genes in sperm, eggs and embryos is currently banned in the United States. The current effort by Preventive, a Silicon Valley startup, involves a couple with a genetic abnormality who want to participate in producing a genetically engineered embryo.

Scientists are currently employing technologies for treating genetic birth defects (including edited and inserted DNA after birth, but not before birth).

In fact, scientists and medical ethicists have been calling “for a global moratorium until the ethical and scientific questions get resolved.”

Preventive is the harbinger of other efforts in Silicon Valley and beyond that are pushing all boundaries in the areas of genetic engineering and reproductive technologies. The stated goal is one of attempting to cure genetic diseases and genetic birth defects. The stated goal is to produce babies “who are free of genetic disease and resilient against illnesses.”

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Why Kat Von D Will Not Get Rid of an Item in Her Home Some Christians Think Is ‘Demonic’

Kat Von D responded to Christians online who told her that a piece of furniture she has in her house was “demonic” and that she needed to get rid of it immediately. Von D said she would not be doing so and explained why she finds value in the piece.

“Yesterday, I posted a photo of one of my favorite pieces of furniture from my personal collection,” said Von D in a video posted Nov. 13.

“Surprisingly, but not surprisingly, I got a ton of negative feedback from my fellow Christian followers, who were calling the piece demonic and dark and telling me how I should just get rid of it and, you know, [saying to] get it out of my house as soon as possible,” she said, “which will not be happening.”

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Why Kat Von D Will Not Get Rid of an Item in Her Home Some Christians Think Is ‘Demonic’
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Fundamentalist or Evangelical?

What is the difference between these two groups? I've been in churches, and had elders trying to instruct me, and they claim to be Evangelical, but I think they are closer to Fundamentalist.

Here a couple of things that makes me think they are fundamentalist, they seemed to not agree with and tried to steer me away from modern paraphrases like JB Phillip's Letters to Young Churches. They try to steer me away from pop/rock music, and some CCM. In their favor I suppose I could score them for showing an interest to get me on the what they believe to be the right path as it were. But its their claim to be evangelical? Maybe they are and maybe JB Phillips is questionable for some in the evangelical community? But I get the feeling a lot of stuff is going to be off limits for me if I submit to these sorts of churches. I like to know where they are coming from, what in their view a christian can and can't do, listen to, read etc. as some groups can be extreme in what they regard as worldly.

Is there anything in particular that distinguishes Evangelicals from Fundamentalists?

US announces (special) military operation against 'narco-terrorists'


United States Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth has announced a new US military operation that is aimed at targeting so-called "narco-terrorists" in the Western Hemisphere.


"Today, I'm announcing Operation SOUTHERN SPEAR," the Pentagon boss declared on social media platform X on Thursday.


"Led by Joint Task Force Southern Spear and @SOUTHCOM, this mission defends our Homeland, removes narco-terrorists from our Hemisphere, and secures our Homeland from the drugs that are killing our people," he said.
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No Mayor - you cannot control privately owned businesses - if they want to leave, they can.

Seattle’s New Socialist Mayor Goes Full Communist, Says She Won’t Allow Private Grocery Stores To Close


Democratic Seattle Mayor-elect Katie Wilson declared that she will not allow private grocery stores to close in a resurfaced video from September.​
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5 Christians killed, 44 wounded after Muslim leader calls for massacre over selling pork

Five Christians were killed and 44 others injured on Nov. 4 after an Islamist leader incited Muslims to attack Christians over pork sales near a mosque in Yumbe, northern Uganda, sources said.

The violence erupted after reports spread that Christian merchants were openly selling pork near Munir Mosque, a move many Muslims described as provocative and disrespectful to their religion, which forbids consumption of pork.

According to police sources, the unrest began following a video that circulated on social media showing Sheikh Kasim Abdalla of Munir Mosque urging Muslims from the wider West Nile sub-region, and even from Sudan and Somalia, to support what he termed “Operation Albadiri,” likening it to an ancient Islamic battle.

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The Vatican's stance on the Virgin Mary as Co- Redemtrix.

Hi, I was first told about this by a non denominational Protestant. She said the Pope doesn't want you to worship or pray to the Virgin Mary. I told her to hold on and I pulled out the truth. I don't have an issue with it. I never considered the Virgin to be equal to Christ.

It seems Protestants online are running with this idea that the Virgin is not to be prayed to. I have to go now and pray my Rosary!

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Pray that Hindu Nationalist politicians, & their allies who had a landslide victory in the region of Bihar, India show Christians favor

Pray that Hindu Nationalist politicians, & their allies who had a landslide victory in the region of Bihar, India show Christians favor:

We don't grow coffee, bannans and other fruits

....they finally figured that out?

Scott Bessent, the Treasury secretary, said on Fox News Wednesday that the administration would be making “substantial” announcements about tariff exemptions over the next few days, saying that they would target “things we don’t grow here.”

He named coffee, bananas and other fruits. “So that will bring the prices down very quickly,” he said.


...it seems the administration is finally admitting that tariffs increase prices.

The Trump administration is preparing broad exemptions to certain tariffs in an effort to ease elevated food prices that have provoked anxiety for American consumers, according to three people briefed on the actions.

The change would apply to certain reciprocal tariffs the president announced in April, including on products coming from countries that have not struck trade deals with the administration, the people said, discussing a pending announcement on the condition of anonymity.

Pray for Healing, Forgiveness, and Peace at Work

Dear brothers and sisters in Christ,

Today I experienced a very difficult moment at work. I was scolded by my boss, and it has left me feeling deeply sad and overwhelmed—I have been crying much of the day. Despite this, I want to continue to forgive, to love, and to maintain a peaceful and positive heart in my workplace.

Please pray for me that God would:

Heal my heart from the sadness and hurt I am feeling.

Help me forgive fully and not hold resentment.

Strengthen me to show love and patience to my boss and colleagues.

Give me peace and joy as I continue to work faithfully in this environment.

Guide me in humility and grace in every interaction at work.


I truly want to honor God through my attitude and actions, even in difficult circumstances. Your prayers and encouragement mean a lot to me.

Thank you and God bless.

BBC apologizes for edit of Trump speech

In a letter to the White House released late Thursday, BBC Chair Samir Shah said he and the corporation were "sorry for the edit of the President's speech " acknowledging that the way the footage was spliced created "the mistaken impression that President Trump had made a direct call for violent action."
But despite the apology, the statement made clear it does not concede the defamation claim. "While the BBC sincerely regrets the manner in which the video clip was edited, we strongly disagree there is a basis for a defamation claim," the corporation said.The documentary — titled Trump: A Second Chance? — was commissioned by the BBC from an external production company and aired shortly before the 2024 U.S. presidential election. It spliced together separate parts of Trump's speech on the day of the Capitol riots, even though the excerpts came from moments almost an hour apart.

They were financially smart to make the apology.
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U.S. Bishops’ full statement on immigration and opposing mass deportation released

"Catholic teaching exhorts nations to recognize the fundamental dignity of all persons, including immigrants. We bishops advocate for a meaningful reform of our nation’s immigration laws and procedures. Human dignity and national security are not in conflict. Both are possible if people of good will work together.
We recognize that nations have a responsibility to regulate their borders and establish a just and orderly immigration system for the sake of the common good. Without such processes, immigrants face the risk of trafficking and other forms of exploitation. Safe and legal pathways serve as an antidote to such risks."

We can't let this exploitation of immigrants in a quest for votes and one-party control ever happen again. The leaders need to be held accountable. The effects of flooding of our country with from 10 to 20 million immigrants in one presidential term, in contempt of our border laws, will be felt for many years. It was an attack on the will of the people who had supported laws to gradually allow immigrants into our country. It has created a situation where some who might likely have gained citizenship will end up being deported, because there is no way our country can handle a proper review of tens of millions on a case by case basis. Certainly there had to be recognition of this fact by many who were sought control of our government.
Only a fraction of the children lost track of by the last administration have been rescued because there is nowhere to start to investigate on an individual basis. How many were essentially sold into slavery we may never know. Realize too that many immigrants were lured into our country when our president said "come." What we should working together on is a pathway for citizenship for those who love America and our Judeo/Christian founded culture, who don't wish to tear it down or be on the government dole for the rest of their lives. They can apply for citizenship from outside the country, but they will have to take a place in line BEHIND those who have obeyed our laws and legally applied from outside of the U.S. Instead many are idolizing some of the worst of criminals and those who hate our country, trying to keep them here as long as possible. Sadly we have seen this pattern of causing suffering for others for political gains, so often by the same people over and over again. I conjunction I also think the voluntary deportation program needs to be pushed harder.

Don't Listen to The Cockroaches

The context here is that of believers in Jesus Christ needing to be those who are putting aside all sinful desires and actions and to long for the pure word of God that they may grow to maturity in Christ and in their salvation. We are to be those who offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. For we are a people for God’s own possession, that we might proclaim the excellencies of God who has called us out of darkness (sin) into his marvelous light (Jesus Christ, truth, righteousness, the gospel of Christ).

And then we are instructed that we are to be submissive to governing authorities, and we are to be people who do what is right. So, those two cannot contradict one another. In other words, if submitting to any governing authorities means that we have to compromise our faith in Jesus Christ or the gospel of Christ or our morals or the commandments of God, then we must obey God rather than man. And biblical examples of this are found in the lives of Daniel, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, and Jesus Christ, Peter, John, and Paul, and many others throughout the world.

“..But if when you do what is right and suffer for it you patiently endure it, this finds favor with God. For you have been called for this purpose, since Christ also suffered for you, leaving you an example for you to follow in His steps, who committed no sin, nor was any deceit found in His mouth; and while being reviled, He did not revile in return; while suffering, He uttered no threats, but kept entrusting Himself to Him who judges righteously.” (1 Peter 2:20-23 NASB1995)

For, even though we are doing what is right, and not what is wrong, corrupt leadership may indeed make us suffer because we obeyed the commands of God and we did not give way to compromise of truth and righteousness. And that is what happened in the lives of the people of God listed above who suffered greatly at the hands of people who were in positions of rule of law but who were apart from God’s rule of law, and who opposed the law of God, such as those who are malicious, morally unclean, deceivers, manipulators, opportunists, liars, untrustworthy, egocentrics, who fake their Christianity.

So, if we suffer for doing right, and at the hands of people in positions of power and rule of law over us, either within the government, or within other law enforcement, or within the gatherings of the church (or what are falsely being called “church,” but which are businesses created in the minds of humans), we are not to retaliate. We are not to return evil with evil, but we are to return evil with good. And we are to keep putting our lives into the hands of our maker God, entrusting ourselves to God who judges righteously. And we are to keep obeying God and doing what is right.

For “He Himself bore our sins in His body on the cross, so that we might die to sin and live to righteousness; for by His wounds you were healed. For you were continually straying like sheep, but now you have returned to the Shepherd and Guardian of your souls.” (1 Peter 2:24-25 NASB1995)

And it is critical that we get what this is saying here for we have many malicious, morally unclean, deceivers, manipulators, opportunists, liars, and untrustworthy egocentrics, who fake their Christianity, now living among us, who serve in positions of power, rule, and authority over us, but who are presenting a gospel message which is a lie, and which is straight from hell. For they are telling us that all we have to do is to make a verbal confession of Christ as Lord, and believe that God raised him from the dead, and now we are saved. But that is out of context, and is not the gospel in whole.

For Jesus Christ gave his life up for us on that cross in putting our sins to death with him so that we will now die to sin and live to righteousness. This is the gospel message which is taught all throughout the Scriptures, both in the Old Testament and in the New Testament. We cannot put on our new garments in Christ Jesus if we don’t first remove the old ones, by the grace of God, in the power and wisdom of God. For if we do not die to sin, and if we do not obey our Lord’s commands, we do not know God, we are not in fellowship with Christ, and we do not have eternal life with God. Know this!

[Matthew 7:13-14,21-23; Luke 9:23-26; John 10:27-30; Acts 26:18; Romans 1:18-32; Romans 2:5-10; Romans 3:23; Romans 6:1-23; Romans 8:1-14; 1 Corinthians 10:1-22; Galatians 5:16-24; Ephesians 2:8-10; Ephesians 4:17-32; Ephesians 5:3-6; Titus 2:11-14; Hebrews 3:1-19; Hebrews 4:1-13; Hebrews 10:19-39; Hebrews 12:1-2; 1 Peter 2:24; 1 John 1:1-10; 1 John 2:3-6; 1 John 3:4-10; Revelation 2:1-29; Revelation 3:1-22]

As the Deer

By Martin J. Nystrom
Based off Psalm 42:1


As the deer panteth for the water
So my soul longeth after You
You alone are my heart's desire
And I long to worship You

You alone are my strength, my shield
To You alone may my spirit yield
You alone are my heart's desire
And I long to worship You

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Don’t Listen to The Cockroaches
An Original Work / November 14, 2025
Christ’s Free Servant, Sue J Love

Does Daniel 9:24–27 support a dual 70-week fulfillment with a chiastic structure?

I’ve been studying Daniel 9:24–27 closely and created a detailed clause-by-clause chart of the prophecy, including Hebrew words, chiastic layers, and proposed historical and eschatological fulfillment. My translation emphasizes that the 70 weeks are “divided out” (נֶחְתַּךְ), and verse 25 mentions “the second sixty” (בַּשְּׁנַיִם שִׁשִּׁים), suggesting a second 70-week cycle beyond the first 70 fulfilled historically (457 BC – 33 AD).


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Verse | Phrase / Clause | Hebrew Key Words | Chiastic Layer | Fulfillment / Date Marker
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9:24 | There are divided out seventy weeks | נֶחְתַּךְ | A – Divine Purpose | Dual cycle: first 70 (457–33 BC), second 70 (1542–2032 CE)
9:24 | For your holy city | קָדְשְׁךָ | A | First 70: Jerusalem rebuilt 457–408 BC
9:24 | And your people's rebellion | עַמְּךָ | A | Second 70: Israel aligns with man of sin, 1967–2032 CE
9:24 | For the restraining of lawlessness | לְכַלֵּא חַטָּאת | A | Second 70: restraining the man of lawlessness (2 Thess 2), 2025–2028.5 CE
9:24 | Marked out for the coming punishment of purging | עָוֹן | A | Second 70: end of tribulation / Day of the Lord, ~2032 CE
9:24 | For the sealing of the vision and the prophet | וּלְחָתֵם חָזוֹן | A | Second 70: vision fully realized in eschatological age, ~2032 CE
9:24 | Unto the age of righteousness; anointed holy of holies | צֶדֶק, וְלִמְשֹׁחַ קֹדֶשׁ קָדָשִׁים | A | Second 70: age of righteousness begins, ~2032 CE
──────|----------------|-----------------|----------------|-------------------------
9:25 | From the word that went forth | מִן-מֹצָא דָבָר | B – Starting Points | First 70: 457 BC decree; Second 70: 1542 CE Suleiman rebuilds
9:25 | For the restoration and building of Jerusalem | לְהָשִׁיב וְלִבְנוֹת יְרוּשָׁלִם | B | First 70: 457–408 BC walls rebuilt; Second 70: 1542 CE walls rebuilt
9:25 | For a ruler and an anointed one for Jerusalem | נָגִיד וּמָשִׁיחַ | B | First 70: Ezra & Nehemiah; Second 70: typological “anointed ruler” / covenant leadership, 1967–2032 CE
9:25 | It shall take seven sevens to be built | שִׁבְעָה שִׁבְעִים | B | First 70: 49 years, 457–408 BC
9:25 | Returned at the second sixty | בַּשְּׁנַיִם שִׁשִּׁים | B | Second 70: 1967 CE, second 60th week, pivotal chiastic marker
9:25 | Anguish and diligence in streets | — | B | Both 70s: First 70 = post-rebuilding trials; Second 70 = tribulation, 2025–2032 CE
──────|----------------|-----------------|----------------|-------------------------
9:26 | Two and sixty weeks after | שִׁשִּׁים וּשְׁנַיִם | C – Pivot | First 70: Messiah cut off, 26–33 AD
9:26 | None of the Messiah will be cut off | וְאֵין לוֹ | C | First 70: preserved remnant of faithful Jews, 26–33 AD
9:26 | People of the ruler shall come like a flood | עַם-נָגִיד יָבוֹא בַּשֶּׁטֶף | C | Second 70: eschatological armies / enemies, 1967–2025 CE
9:26 | City and sanctuary destroyed | הָעִיר וְהַקֹּדֶשׁ יִשָּׁחְתּוּ | C | First 70: 70 AD temple destruction; Second 70: final judgment & abomination destruction, ~2032 CE
──────|----------------|-----------------|----------------|-------------------------
9:27 | He shall cause many of the covenant to prevail | וְהִגְבִּיר בְּרִית לָרַבִּים | D – Central Climax | Second 70: 2025 CE start of final 7-year week
9:27 | For the week and a half of one | וְחֲצִי הַשָּׁבוּעַ | D | Second 70: mid-week, 3½ yrs into final week, 2028.5 CE
9:27 | Upon offering and sacrifice he shall bring to end abominations | מִנְחָה וְזֶבַח … שִׁקּוּצִים | D | Second 70: eschatological cleansing of temple / people, 2025–2032 CE
9:27 | Until the one who makes desolate pours out what is decreed for consummation | שֹׁמֵם | D | Second 70: consummation / Day of the Lord, ~2032 CE
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Notes:
- Chiastic pattern: A–B–C–D–C’–B’–A’
- Hebrew keywords highlighted for structural clarity
- Second 60th week = 1967 CE pivotal marker
- Restraining lawlessness = 2 Thess 2 reference; final week = revealing of man of sin

Questions for the community:

1. Does the Hebrew wording and syntax provide linguistic support for two distinct 70-week cycles, rather than a single 490-year timeline?


2. Can the chiastic pattern (A–B–C–D–C’–B’–A’) be reasonably defended from a grammatical and syntactical standpoint?


3. Are there any objections from the Hebrew text itself (singular/plural forms, verb agreements, semantic scope) that might favor a single-cycle interpretation?



I’d love insights from scholars or practitioners experienced in Biblical Hebrew, Daniel studies, or eschatological prophecy analysis.


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DANIEL 9:24–27 DUAL 70-WEEK CHIASM
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CHIASTIC LAYER: A B C D

FIRST 70 WEEKS — HISTORICAL FULFILLMENT
──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────
457 BC 408 BC 26 AD 33 AD 70 AD
|---------------|---------------|---------------|---------------|
Word goes 7 weeks Messiah Messiah cut Temple
forth: decree (49 yrs) appears off (וְאֵין לוֹ) destroyed
to rebuild Built walls (נָגִיד/ People of City & Sanctuary
Jerusalem /city מָשִׁיחַ) the ruler destroyed
(מִן-מֹצָא completed rejected (הָעִיר וְהַקֹּדֶשׁ)
דָבָר, בִּירוּשָׁלִם) Messiah)
נָגִיד וּמָשִׁיחַ)

Verse refs: 9:24–26

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────
SECOND 70 WEEKS — MODERN / ESCHATOLOGICAL FULFILLMENT
──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────
1542 CE 1967 CE 2025 CE 2028.5 CE 2032 CE
|---------------|---------------|---------------|---------------|
Word goes Second 60th Start final Midpoint of Consummation
forth: Suleiman week marker 7-year week week, half- / Day of Lord
rebuilt walls (בַּשְּׁנַיִם Many of the week (וַחֲצִי ends / holy
of Jerusalem שִׁשִּׁים) covenant הַשָּׁבוּעַ) place anointed
(מִן-מֹצָא prevail (וְהִגְבִּיר)
דָבָר)

Abominations cease (שִׁקּוּצִים)
Until the one who makes desolate pours out decree (שֹׁמֵם)

Verse refs: 9:24–27
──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────
CHIASTIC STRUCTURE KEY:

A — Holy City / People’s Rebellion (v.24)
B — Starting points / restoration (v.25)
C — Messiah cut off / people of ruler (v.26)
D — Many of covenant prevail / final week & half-week / cleansing (v.27)
C’ — Mirror of C: eschatological “people of ruler” & destruction
B’ — Mirror of B: second 60th week / Jerusalem returned
A’ — Mirror of A: consummation / sealing up / age of righteousness
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Chiropractics offends me

I have a lot of misaligned joints and crack them all the time. However, I know how to do it with the right amount of force and angle to get a ”damp” crack that stimulates synovial fluid production.

Seeing the commercials chiropractors make themselves is just painful. They seem to be giving way more force and angle than what the patients need. You can hear their joints weren’t ready for that manoeuvre.

Congregation protests closure of Episcopal church amid sex abuse investigation, demands reopening

Members of an Ohio church that has been shut down by its diocese amid an ongoing abuse investigation have called on their bishop to reopen the sanctuary.

Grace Episcopal Church, a congregation located in the College Hill neighborhood of Cincinnati, was closed last week by order of Bishop Kristin Uffelman White of the Diocese of Southern Ohio.

Members of Grace Episcopal sent a letter to White days later, reported the Cincinnati-based WCPO 9 News, with them expressing "deep displeasure and astonishment toward your actions."

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What is everyone having for Thanksgiving?

I am interested to know what kinds of dishes you guys will be having?

My menu tends to gravitate towards Southern US but I wouldn't mind a change?

This year, I was thinking of trying Old- Fashioned Apple Cake with Brown Sugar Frosting and Sage and Brown Butter Biscuits?

I usually make pumpkin and pecan pie but some of the older people (who are not American) have grumbled about pumpkin :confused:

Cursed is the heart of this people

The archtypical Pharisee is everywhere around us. It’s interesting that Christ did spend a good part of his ministry exposing these people, explaining their doom. And just like Abraham said, if they do not believe the words of Moses, neither will they believe if one rises from the dead.

They’re good at trying one’s patience and faith. Is that the only reason why they’re here?

Daniel 9:24–27 — Dual 70-Week Structure and “Second Sixty” Interpretation in Hebrew

I’ve been working on a literal translation and grammatical analysis of Daniel 9:24–27, and I believe the prophecy is intentionally structured with two 70-week cycles:

1. First 70 weeks — Ancient fulfillment (457 BC decree → Messiah → 70 AD destruction)


2. Second 70 weeks — Modern fulfillment (1542 Suleiman’s wall rebuilding → 1967 Jerusalem return → final 7-year week)



I’m particularly focused on Daniel 9:25, where the Hebrew reads:

> שִׁשִּׁים וּשְׁנַיִם (shishim u-shenayim) — literally “sixty and two”



Traditional translations render this simply as “sixty-two weeks,” but I interpret it as “second sixty”, marking the first 60 weeks of the second 70-week cycle. My reasoning:

Inversion/wordplay: Verse 25 inverts the normal order compared to verse 26, highlighting a purposeful sequence rather than a simple count.

Cardinal-as-ordinal usage: Hebrew routinely uses cardinal numbers to indicate sequence. Examples include:

Exodus 40:2 — “in the second month” uses the cardinal word for two to indicate sequence.

Daniel 7:25 — “years” (cardinal) used sequentially for prophetic timing.


Contextual necessity: This block must be distinguished from the first 70-week cycle to align with historical events (Suleiman 1542 → Jerusalem 1967).



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My Interlinear Translation (simplified)

HebrewEnglish

עַל־ נֶחְתַּךְ שִׁבְעִים שָׁבֻעִיםThere are divided out 70 weeks
לְכַלֵּא חַטָּאתfor the restraining of lawlessness
וּלְחָתֵםwhich is marked for the coming punishment
חָזוֹן וּלְחָתֵם עֹלָמִים צֶדֶקfor the sealing of the vision and the age of righteousness
נָגִיד וּמָשִׁיחַ לִירוּשָׁלִם שָׁבוּעִים שִׁבְעָהfor a ruler and an anointed one for Jerusalem; it shall take seven weeks to build
וְתָשׁוּב בַּשְּׁנַיִם שִׁשִּׁיםand it shall be returned at the second sixty


(Remaining verses continue with the first 70 and second 70-week timeline, including v.26–27.)


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Dual 70-Week Timeline

CycleWeekEvents / Fulfillment

First 70 7 weeks (49 yrs)457 BC decree → completion of Jerusalem wall (Nehemiah)
First 70 62 weeks408 BC → Messiah arrival (~26–33 AD)
First 70 1 weekMessiah ministry, covenant people cut off → Temple destroyed 70 AD
Second 70 60 weeks1542 Suleiman rebuilds Jerusalem walls → 1967 Israel returns Jerusalem
Second 70 1 week + ½~2025–2032 final tribulation / Day of the Lord
Second 70 remaining ½ weekAbomination removed, age of righteousness begins



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Argument for “Second Sixty”

1. Hebrew שְׁנַיִם (“two”) functions as ordinal in context — sequence rather than pure quantity.


2. Chiastic structure (v.25 inverted vs. v.26 normal) highlights the dual-cycle reading.


3. Historical alignment supports a second prophetic block distinct from the first.


4. Restraining of lawlessness (v.24) corresponds with the final week revelation in 2 Thessalonians.




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Question for Scholars / Linguists

Given the Hebrew construction, the chiastic inversion, and historical alignment:

1. Is translating שְׁנַיִם as “second sixty” contextually and grammatically defensible?


2. Are there other examples in Scripture where cardinal numbers function as ordinals in prophecy?


3. Does this dual-70-week chiastic reading hold up under textual and grammatical scrutiny, or are there constraints I may be overlooking?



I’ve tried to base this entirely on Hebrew grammar, syntax, and historical alignment rather than prior interpretive traditions. I’d appreciate insights from those familiar with biblical Hebrew, Danielic prophecy, or prophetic numerology.


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