Iran Launches Attack on Israel

[Jamdoc]

The "current Jews" aren't Jews and no one hates them for LARPing as Jews. Israel is hated because they are racist National Socialists who rape, murder, and steal.

Why do you love National Socialism?

Generally speaking, yes, they are not the same. LARPing Israel is mostly atheist by the way. God already dispersed Israel. Israel of ancient times no longer exists. I am more of a son of Abraham than any Israeli.

Once again, you're failing to read the rest of it. This is not something which will happen, it already has - about 2,000 years ago.

Look at the fruits of the current LARPing Israel - Murder, destruction, and lies. Maybe they will repent, but it seems unlikely. And God have chosen a new people to be the offspring of Abraham.

They didn't look on Him that they pierced then and mourn.
there was no mass repentance 2000 years ago in Jerusalem.

The absolute inconsistency of people hating the Jews because they killed Jesus and then turning around and saying the modern day Jews aren't really Jews.. just doesn't line up.

 

[Jamdoc]

I think you are wrong to be so dogmatic over what is a disputed theology and part of the Bible. It's an insult to people who think differently from you or who are less dogmatic than you, since if it is so obvious and clear to you as to allow no possibility of you being wrong (in your own opinion), then the implication is that those who disagree with you or who are not so dogmatic as you are stupid.

I'm hoping to start a thread on this theological subject in a theology section of the forum after I've done some reading, thinking and praying.

There does seem to be this idea among some Christians that since the Jews hold to the Hebrew Bible (HB) which corresponds pretty much to the OT then they are somehow quasi Christian. This is a huge mistake since it elevates the written word above the LIving Word. Such an idea contradicts the heart of the gospel message and Christianity.

they're not quasi Christian, there's just promised to be a remnant that converts eschatologically.
I'm not saying Jews are saved by default, I am aware that some do teach that, that's wrong. But the promise of a remnant is consistent in both old and new testament.
and that remnant is *not* the gentile church.

 

[Landon Caeli]

No, quite the opposite is true. The Israeli Occupational Forces enforce apartheid, murder and take people and children hostage, and spit on Christians every chance they can get.

ISIS is actually a terrorist organization supported by Israel. ISIS goes out of its way to avoid hurting Israel. Equating ISIS with Hamas is wrong.

ISIS = Israel

Hamas is likely the only group that cares for the long-term well-being of the Palestinians.

Their goal is actually a democracy - which is what Israel opposes and always has.

You're projecting Israel's goals onto Hamas. Israel is a National Socialist country which imposes racial and religious domination through apartheid.

“If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?”

Guess who said that?

No, the war was definitely started by Israel.

As for the rest of it, do you have any evidence? Israel is racist, that's simply a well-known fact.

Ethiopian women in Israel 'given contraceptive without consent'

Israel's health ministry is investigating claims that Ethiopian immigrants have unwittingly had Depo-Provera jabs for years

www.theguardian.com

Israel's apartheid against Palestinians

Palestinians are systematically subjected to home demolitions and forced evictions, and live in constant fear of losing their homes. For more than 73 years, Israel has been forcibly displacing entire Palestinian communities. Hundreds of thousands of Palestinians’ homes have been demolished...

www.amnesty.org

United Nations General Assembly Resolution 3379

Islamist is a term created by Israel to support their propaganda.

Goodbye, Marty. I don't think there's any use in us having this conversation.

 

[MartyF]

Goodbye, Marty. I don't think there's any use in us having this conversation.

I think it was very useful. I shared the truth of the situation to more people.

 

[MartyF]

They didn't look on Him that they pierced then and mourn.
there was no mass repentance 2000 years ago in Jerusalem.

There most definitely was. Ever read Acts?

The absolute inconsistency of people hating the Jews because they killed Jesus

I don’t understand why you hate Jews because they killed Jesus . . . I definitely don’t. Can you explain why you hate Jews for killing Jesus? This hatred makes absolutely no sense. Maybe you’re not referring to yourself ? Who are you referring to?

 

[Landon Caeli]

I think it was very useful. I shared the truth of the situation to more people.

You shared your opinions. Not the truth. But you're free to voice that, just like I'm free to trace back the racism of the Palestinians against the Jewish immigrants, which I have in other threads. The Westernized Jews were hated in the late 1800's, and early 1900's - long before any land was taken as revenge for killing.

...They were hated because the Palestinians took on racist, xenophobic attitudes toward them from the beginning, and still do to this day.

 

[Landon Caeli]

But the more the Palestinians kill, the more they lose... I've never seen a case worse than this, of someone being their own worst enemy.

But I wish them luck on their downward spiral! And it would do them well to learn how to build some boats... They're going to need them.

 

[Jamdoc]

There most definitely was. Ever read Acts?

Jesus didn't return from heaven in Acts, He went up to heaven in acts.

I don’t understand why you hate Jews because they killed Jesus . . . I definitely don’t. Can you explain why you hate Jews for killing Jesus? This hatred makes absolutely no sense. Maybe you’re not referring to yourself ? Who are you referring to?

I don't hate Jews but Antisemitic Christians often justify their hate of Jews based on the idea that they killed Jesus and call them synagogue of Satan, like you called them.

 

[MartyF]

Jesus didn't return from heaven in Acts, He went up to heaven in acts.

Where did Jesus come from? John 6:42

I don't hate Jews but Antisemitic Christians often justify their hate of Jews based on the idea that they killed Jesus and call them synagogue of Satan, like you called them.

John 8:44. Jesus is speaking there - not me. Did you really think I was 2000 years old?

Those who hate “the Jews” don’t mention the crucifixion. Read Mein Kampf or The Jew by Marx, or any number of anti-“Jew” writers. It’s not important to their ideology.

 

[Desk trauma]

Where did Jesus come from? John 6:42

John 8:44. Jesus is speaking there - not me. Did you really think I was 2000 years old?

Those who hate “the Jews” don’t mention the crucifixion. Read Mein Kampf or The Jew by Marx, or any number of anti-“Jew” writers. It’s not important to their ideology.

Because Christ killer wasn’t a thing at all in Christian anti semitism…

 

[MartyF]

You shared your opinions. Not the truth.

Anything in particular or is this just a blanket general condemnation of me?

But you're free to voice that

No, in Israel I’d be imprisoned, shot, or possibly targeted by a 2,000 pound bomb.

just like I'm free to trace back the racism of the Palestinians against the Jewish immigrants, which I have in other threads.

I’m sure you’ve collected every anecdote of a Palestinian killing a Pole. However, these anecdotes are merely a small deflection from the pillage and murder done in creating the state of Israel - not o mention the ongoing genocide by Israel.

The Westernized Jews were hated

So you had to qualify them as Western . . . have you ever thought that this has nothing to do with them being “Jews”?

But the more the Palestinians kill, the more they lose...

What do you consider losing?

 

[MartyF]

Because Christ killer wasn’t a thing at all in Christian anti semitism…

It wasn’t. Even if you want to go back to the Crusades or the Plague, the emphasis was on their non-conversion. “Christians” converted through force back then.

 

[Desk trauma]

It wasn’t.

Not just a river in Egypt.

 

[MartyF]

Not just a river in Egypt.

You’re more than welcome to back up your ad hominem with some evidence.

 

[Jamdoc]

Where did Jesus come from? John 6:42

They didn't pierce Jesus then.
The passage of Zechariah is talking about an Eschatological return.

This did not happen in Acts.

1 The burden of the word of the Lord for Israel, saith the Lord, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him.
2 Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem.
3 And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.
4 In that day, saith the Lord, I will smite every horse with astonishment, and his rider with madness: and I will open mine eyes upon the house of Judah, and will smite every horse of the people with blindness.
5 And the governors of Judah shall say in their heart, The inhabitants of Jerusalem shall be my strength in the Lord of hosts their God.
6 In that day will I make the governors of Judah like an hearth of fire among the wood, and like a torch of fire in a sheaf; and they shall devour all the people round about, on the right hand and on the left: and Jerusalem shall be inhabited again in her own place, even in Jerusalem.
7 The Lord also shall save the tents of Judah first, that the glory of the house of David and the glory of the inhabitants of Jerusalem do not magnify themselves against Judah.
8 In that day shall the Lord defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and he that is feeble among them at that day shall be as David; and the house of David shall be as God, as the angel of the Lord before them.
9 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.

and if you dare say that was 70AD, when it was just a regional conflict when the passage says ALL THE PEOPLE OF THE EARTH.. then this didn't happen in AD 70

10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.
11 In that day shall there be a great mourning in Jerusalem, as the mourning of Hadadrimmon in the valley of Megiddon.

Acts 2 had nothing to do with Armageddon, as this passage mentions.

Not to mention, Romans 11 was written after the events of Acts 2, and so was Revelation 7.
Both promise an Eschatological salvation of a remnant of the Jews.

John 8:44. Jesus is speaking there - not me. Did you really think I was 2000 years old?

Those who hate “the Jews” don’t mention the crucifixion. Read Mein Kampf or The Jew by Marx, or any number of anti-“Jew” writers. It’s not important to their ideology.

Yeah you're just looking for verses to back up Jew hate you have.
Believing everything is already fulfilled as the junk theology that is Preterism does.. while the world is currently gathering up against Israel.. and it's happening fast.. and here you are.. siding with those who want to destroy Israel.

Not a good place to be.
Jesus is a Jew, the Lion of the Tribe of Judah and their King... and you hate Jews.

Preterism and Replacement Theology are 2 poisonous doctrines.

 

[Jamdoc]

Because Christ killer wasn’t a thing at all in Christian anti semitism…

the infamous last book by Martin Luther comes to mind..

 

[Desk trauma]

You’re more than welcome to back up your ad hominem with some evidence.

That Christ killer was an anti-Semitic slur and accusation against Jews? We’re pretending that’s not a thing? We denying the blood libel too?

 

[MartyF]

That Christ killer was an anti-Semitic slur and accusation against Jews?

Jews are quite proud of their role in the death of Jesus. If you ever meet one, they will gladly tell that to your face before or after they ritualistically spit on you. I'm not sure how you believe something they are so proud of is considered a slur.

That being said, you still have provided no evidence that it is the motivation behind antisemitism today.

We denying the blood libel too?

Yes, you have, in fact, been denying blood libel.

The side which supports Israel has been lying about the events of October 7 and making up crimes which never happened - mass rape and beheaded babies - in order to support the genocide of the Palestinians. This is the blood libel Israeli supporters are denying.

 

[MartyF]

the infamous last book by Martin Luther comes to mind..

Yet, Christ-killer was not a point made by Martin Luther in his book. Otherwise, Luther would have hated all Jews - including Christian converts of Judaism.

 

[MartyF]

They didn't pierce Jesus then.
The passage of Zechariah is talking about an Eschatological return.

Nope.

This did not happen in Acts.

Yes, it did.

and if you dare say that was 70AD, when it was just a regional conflict when the passage says ALL THE PEOPLE OF THE EARTH.. then this didn't happen in AD 70

No, I don't think the destruction of Israel of that time is what this passage is refering to.

Acts 2 had nothing to do with Armageddon, as this passage mentions.

Armageddon, as you believe it, is not a real thing.

Not to mention, Romans 11 was written after the events of Acts 2, and so was Revelation 7.
Both promise an Eschatological salvation of a remnant of the Jews.

I never mentioned Acts 2, I mentioned Acts.

Believing everything is already fulfilled as the junk theology that is Preterism does.. while the world is currently gathering up against Israel.. and it's happening fast.. and here you are.. siding with those who want to destroy Israel.

Not a good place to be.
Jesus is a Jew, the Lion of the Tribe of Judah and their King... and you hate Jews.

Romans 2:29.

I am more Jewish than any Israeli is.

Preterism and Replacement Theology are 2 poisonous doctrines.

The fruit of historicism is a genocide in Palestine.