With All Due Respect, Mr President, that is not true

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"There is no disagreement that we need action by our government, a recovery plan that will help to jumpstart the economy."

— PRESIDENT-ELECT BARACK OBAMA, JANUARY 9 , 2009

With all due respect Mr. President, that is not true.

Notwithstanding reports that all economists are now Keynesians and that we all support a big increase in the burden of government, we do not believe that more government spending is a way to improve economic performance. More government spending by Hoover and Roosevelt did not pull the United States economy out of the Great Depression in the 1930s. More government spending did not solve Japan's "lost decade" in the 1990s. As such, it is a triumph of hope over experience to believe that more government spending will help the U.S. today. To improve the economy, policy makers should focus on reforms that remove impediments to work, saving, investment and production. Lower tax rates and a reduction in the burden of government are the best ways of using fiscal policy to boost growth.

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Of course, Obama won't listen to people who know what they're talking about, so this list of names is now simply a list of people who won't be getting Christmas cards from the White House. I, for one, want a smaller government though, like 10% its current size smaller.
 
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Thomas Jefferson -- The Debate Over The Recharter Of The Bank Bill said:
"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies . . . If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] . . . will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered . . . The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs."
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We need competing currencies.
 
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Of course, Obama won't listen to people who know what they're talking about, so this list of names is now simply a list of people who won't be getting Christmas cards from the White House. I, for one, want a smaller government though, like 10% its current size smaller.

The fact is though I am sure there is a list of economists who do agree with a stimulus package.
 
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OK. And how many economists out there agree with the stimulus?

It's not news that there are some dissenters out there. No matter what Obama does, someone is likely going to oppose it simply because they are the "loyal opposition".
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The fact is though I am sure there is a list of economists who do agree with a stimulus package.
Of course there are. I believe they are known under the term "on the dole." No intelligent and impartial economist could possibly think these stimuli are anything more than a nearly $1.5 trillion behemoth that will simply delay the inevitable.
 
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Do you have a problem addressing the post?

Address what?

The OP doesn't give an opinion.

Maybe he agrees with the listed people, maybe he thinks they are idiots.

Who knows?

...

Addressing the original post:

Yes I think all those people signed that petition.
 
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Do you have a problem addressing the post?

There is no post. He cut and paste an article. While I do understand that passes for thought amongst some, in general independent opinions are formed after reading and processing such information.

It might have been more worthwhile, for example, if something other than a list of names were provided. If these individuals disagree, why? Do they all agree on an alternate plan or do they, as I suspect, span multiple sets of opinions.

The OP has no point and no real worth unless it contains something of individual value to characterize it from blind acceptance of someone else's opinion.

Individual opinion is not a bad thing. Independent thought is actually valuable.
 
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To improve the economy, policy makers should focus on reforms that remove impediments to work, saving, investment and production.
Call me CRAZY but isn't that EXACTLY what lead to the housing crisis that America now finds itself in? Isn't THAT the PRECISE reason Geithner wants to buy up 2 TRILLION in toxic assets?

I'm curious about what all those economists are blaming the recession on?

Conservatives banking countries like Canada are in a much more desirable position than Canada. That is a fact.
 
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Do you have any independent thoughts on this subject?

ps...OH!!! It's the Cato institute. Well okay then. Perhaps I shall ask my hippie friends if they think cannabis should be legalized...I wonder what they'd say?
Actually I don't think Carnegie Melon and MIT are part of the CATO institute.
 
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Conservatives banking countries like Canada are in a much more desirable position than Canada. That is a fact.

Do you mean a more desirable position than the USA? Because as stands that sentence is slightly wonky.

As for the OP - I agree that the companies should be allowed to fail (in fact, socializing risk with 'bail-outs' distorts signals in the market and makes these toxic actions more likely to occur). Perhaps a bailout of home owners that can prove they were the victims of predatory lending. However, I also loath these "lists" that are made. Usually they're less then 100% accurate in how they present the case of the undersigned. Further, they don't actually offer anything beyond an attempt at argument from authority.

That said, Obama was also talking out of his lower posterior region when he said the original quotation. Anyone that says, "all economists agree" has clearly never met a group of economists.
 
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Do you have any independent thoughts on this subject?
Sometimes posters like to hear what others have to say before posting their thoughts.

What they say in the short paragraph, I have heard before.

Stimulous needs to be focused, lean and attacking the precise areas that need help.
This bill is an IED, not a precise smart bomb.
It might work(I am not hopeful), but it might not.
And dumps alot of debt into our economy to deal with.
 
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Of course there are. I believe they are known under the term "on the dole." No intelligent and impartial economist could possibly think these stimuli are anything more than a nearly $1.5 trillion behemoth that will simply delay the inevitable.

Yep..even the CBO says it will be bad for the economy..but then the President says there is no disgreement...
 
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Of course, Obama won't listen to people who know what they're talking about, so this list of names is now simply a list of people who won't be getting Christmas cards from the White House. I, for one, want a smaller government though, like 10% its current size smaller.

The problem is that he probably has a list of names (of people who know what they are talking about) that say the exact opposite.
 
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