VP Debate and gay rights/marriage

[marksman007]

Please don't look to the government to solve your problems. The fact that man's heart is deceitful and desperately wicked indicates that only a change of heart is going to change anything.

God said he hates the shedding of innocent blood. Obama has said on more than one occasion that abortion on demand is the number one issue. I do not believe that anyone can support someone who has pledged to do what God hates.

 

[catlover]

Please don't look to the government to solve your problems. The fact that man's heart is deceitful and desperately wicked indicates that only a change of heart is going to change anything.

God said he hates the shedding of innocent blood. Obama has said on more than one occasion that abortion on demand is the number one issue. I do not believe that anyone can support someone who has pledged to do what God hates.

Yes-the government should turn it's back on abused women and children...and the far right can pray the problem away...meanwhile all the chauvinists can beat their family even more.

 

[Crazy Liz]

Please don't look to the government to solve your problems. The fact that man's heart is deceitful and desperately wicked indicates that only a change of heart is going to change anything.

God said he hates the shedding of innocent blood. Obama has said on more than one occasion that abortion on demand is the number one issue. I do not believe that anyone can support someone who has pledged to do what God hates.

Post proof or retract.

 

[marksman007]

Post proof or retract.

I can't post a news item that was on TV and as I am not into telling lies, you will have to accept what I say. Perhaps you can find the details on one of the myriad of sites that deal with his beliefs?

 

[Crazy Liz]

I can't post a news item that was on TV and as I am not into telling lies, you will have to accept what I say. Perhaps you can find the details on one of the myriad of sites that deal with his beliefs?

Sorry, I won't take your word for this one. Find a quotation.

A lot of TV news items can be found on the internet. Or if he really said that, there should be some coverage of it in print. It's a pretty bold statement for me never to have heard it before.

 

[catlover]

I can't post a news item that was on TV and as I am not into telling lies, you will have to accept what I say. Perhaps you can find the details on one of the myriad of sites that deal with his beliefs?

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[Dogbean]

You are most welcome Texas Lynn.
It's abhorrent the far right wants to make it acceptable for children and spouses to be abused...perhaps the right is protecting it's own. to carry on with disgusting behavior..
Maybe that is what they mean by "family values". The "right" and "value" of a man to beat his wife and children.

Has it ever occurred to you that not everyone on the right believes exactly the same thing? While I believe in traditional family values, I would not endorse any kind of abuse! That is unbiblical, and uncalled for. I can believe in other stuff the right believes in without believing in that stuff.

 

[Dogbean]

Please don't look to the government to solve your problems. The fact that man's heart is deceitful and desperately wicked indicates that only a change of heart is going to change anything.

God said he hates the shedding of innocent blood. Obama has said on more than one occasion that abortion on demand is the number one issue. I do not believe that anyone can support someone who has pledged to do what God hates.

Post proof or retract.

I can't post a news item that was on TV and as I am not into telling lies, you will have to accept what I say. Perhaps you can find the details on one of the myriad of sites that deal with his beliefs?

Sorry, I won't take your word for this one. Find a quotation.

A lot of TV news items can be found on the internet. Or if he really said that, there should be some coverage of it in print. It's a pretty bold statement for me never to have heard it before.

I believe this is the article that is being referenced.

 

[Crazy Liz]

I believe this is the article that is being referenced.

Not a particularly credible news source. And still doesn't say abortion on demand is the number one issue.

 

[Texas Lynn]

You are most welcome Texas Lynn.
It's abhorrent the far right wants to make it acceptable for children and spouses to be abused...perhaps the right is protecting it's own. to carry on with disgusting behavior..
Maybe that is what they mean by "family values". The "right" and "value" of a man to beat his wife and children.

Some of us have had conversations about the role of "pastoral counseling" in cases of spouse abuse and child abuse. In many cases some "pastors" have perceived their role in such matters to cover it up.

When the religious right was new (1978?) they dissed women living in battered women's shelters as "runaway wives" and opposed funding for shelters. They soon learned this was bad PR and became silent on the issue since.

 

[Texas Lynn]

Not a particularly credible news source. And still doesn't say abortion on demand is the number one issue.

In the article any allusion to "Obama has said on more than one occasion that abortion on demand is the number one issue" is entirely an editorial comment and/or interpretation of the news story and as you have correctly noted this is not a credible source for "news".

It referred to the Freedom of Choice Act, which is proposed legislation. Obama indicated he would sign it, if it is passed by Congress. Now, it would be a wonderful thing if FOCA was passed early in the session and signed in January but given the dynamics of the legislative process the conclusion FOCA is his "first priority" is at best exageration. Moreover, their comments about the effects of FOCA are at best speculation.

 

[Dogbean]

Not a particularly credible news source. And still doesn't say abortion on demand is the number one issue.

I just found what I found, to try to help the person who claimed it. It was really easy to find. And it did say so, in the first paragraph.

 

[catlover]

Has it ever occurred to you that not everyone on the right believes exactly the same thing? While I believe in traditional family values, I would not endorse any kind of abuse! That is unbiblical, and uncalled for. I can believe in other stuff the right believes in without believing in that stuff.

Dogbean it's admirable you do not endorse abuse...

the thing is, do you think it's possible that the very structure of traditional marriage may cause violence against women and children?

The idea of the male being the head of the household and a woman being subserviant.

That is extremely cut and dry-but what do you think?

 

[Texas Lynn]

the thing is, do you think it's possible that the very structure of traditional marriage may cause violence against women and children?

The idea of the male being the head of the household and a woman being subserviant.

That is extremely cut and dry-but what do you think?

There is more to it than that, but that's a start. In traditionalistic families, independence of girls and young women is explicitly discouraged. Marriage often amounts to the same thing it was in days of youre, that is the transfer of property from one owner, the father, to another, the husband.

The best thing for girls in the late teens and early adulthood years is to get out, get far from their families, and develop their own independence. Marriage is a ticket out but generally the worst one. College and the military are among the best.

 

[Dogbean]

Dogbean it's admirable you do not endorse abuse...

Thank you!

the thing is, do you think it's possible that the very structure of traditional marriage may cause violence against women and children?

No. Violence comes from anger in the heart, not from God ordained family structure.

The idea of the male being the head of the household and a woman being subserviant.

That's not exactly what the Bible says. If you read the rest of the passage, you'll see that it's a love and respect system that goes both ways.

That is extremely cut and dry-but what do you think?

I don't think wives are subserviant to their husbands.

 

[Zaac]

There is more to it than that, but that's a start. In traditionalistic families, independence of girls and young women is explicitly discouraged. Marriage often amounts to the same thing it was in days of youre, that is the transfer of property from one owner, the father, to another, the husband.

The best thing for girls in the late teens and early adulthood years is to get out, get far from their families, and develop their own independence. Marriage is a ticket out but generally the worst one. College and the military are among the best.

This is a classic feminist view that is at odds with God's Word. Folks who believe like this don't think that wives should submit to their Christ submitting husbands. I'm not saying this is your belief Texas Lynn. But this is what it leads a lot of women to think.

They want to be the co-head of household without the submission, but don't understand that submitting to your Christ-submitting husband already makes you co-head of household

 

[Texas Lynn]

This is a classic feminist view that is at odds with God's Word. Folks who believe like this don't think that wives should submit to their Christ submitting husbands. I'm not saying this is your belief Texas Lynn. But this is what it leads a lot of women to think.

They want to be the co-head of household without the submission, but don't understand that submitting to your Christ-submitting husband already makes you co-head of household

What better way is there to maintain power and control than to claim it is ordained by God that one submit to illegetimate authority?

No wonder "Religiosity- stern and rigid [religious] practices" is included as a risk factor in assessment tools for spouse abuse risk assessments.

 

[Zaac]

What better way is there to maintain power and control than to claim it is ordained by God that one submit to illegetimate authority?

Guess it is your belief. What illegitimate authority? If God placed the husband as head of the household, what illegitimate authority are you referring to? Ar

No wonder "Religiosity- stern and rigid [religious] practices" is included as a risk factor in assessment tools for spouse abuse risk assessments.

 

[catlover]

Guess it is your belief. What illegitimate authority? If God placed the husband as head of the household, what illegitimate authority are you referring to? Ar



Sounds like you've had too much schooling and not enough God.

What if the man is "THE" head of the household and a tyrant?>

 

[catlover]

There is more to it than that, but that's a start. In traditionalistic families, independence of girls and young women is explicitly discouraged. Marriage often amounts to the same thing it was in days of youre, that is the transfer of property from one owner, the father, to another, the husband.

The best thing for girls in the late teens and early adulthood years is to get out, get far from their families, and develop their own independence. Marriage is a ticket out but generally the worst one. College and the military are among the best.

Marriage at a young age, leads to misery in the majority of the cases...