Three Teen Burglars Killed By Broken Arrow Homeowner's Son, Deputies Say

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Three teenagers were killed Monday, shot by a man as they were breaking into his home.

Three Teen Burglars Killed By Broken Arrow Homeowner's Son, Depu - NewsOn6.com

There's a few things in this story that are worth discussing in this forum, I think. First off, I would say it's not appropriate for a Christian to celebrate the fact that the suspects died. It's sad that happened. It's also sad that the resident felt he had to kill them. He will likely have PTSD over this incident. Prayers for all involved would be good. Having said that, here's my thoughts on the rest of the story:

The Wagoner County Sheriff's Office said the homeowner and his adult son were in the home when three males wearing masks and gloves tried to break in at about 12:30 p.m. The homeowner's son shot the intruders with a rifle, deputies said, killing all three.

"These three individuals came to this residence with the intent to burglarize it," Deputy Nick Mahoney said, "One was with brass knuckles, the other one was with a knife."

They said the 23-year-old resident was sleeping in the home when he heard "loud bangs" coming from the back door.

Mahoney said, "They were masked at the time, all had gloves on. They entered in through a black door, shattering the back door and they entered into the residence."

Deputies said the resident armed himself with an AR-15 rifle and walked toward the back door where he encountered the three masked burglars.

This is clearly a case where deadly force was justified. Three intruders, at least two armed with deadly weapons, break into a home with criminal intent. Textbook case of justifiable and proportionate self defense.

Also, this debunks the "AR-15s are not suitable for self defense" argument that gets thrown around sometimes.

Deputies say the males were 16, 17 and 18 years old. Their names have not been released.

They said two of the teens died inside the house while the third ran from the home before dying in the driveway.

Now that's just sad. Eternal rest grant them Lord and let perpetual light shine upon them :crossrc:

Deputies say they arrested a fourth person, a 21-year-old woman identified as Elizabeth Marie Rodriguez, who they determined had driven the three suspects to the home.

She is now booked in the Wagoner County jail on three counts of first-degree murder and three counts of first-degree burglary.

The murder charges for the accomplice won't stick, most likely. They should probably downgrade that to something more reasonable, like accessory before the fact. The burglary charges could stick.
 

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I agree, the death of the criminals should not be celebrated.
Many states have Felony Murder laws, so it's hard to know if the charge will stick or not.
Since she is an adult, there is a greater chance it will than if she were a juvenile.
 
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Sounds like the three burglers were victims of their own bad actions

Good for the kid for defending his family and his home

I'm sorry it ended that way and I hope that somehow in some corner of their heart that we're not privy to they repented and received Christ before they died

But the fact is that they left the young man with no choice but to defend himself and his home and was right in doing so
 
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First off, I would say it's not appropriate for a Christian to celebrate the fact that the suspects died. It's sad that happened. It's also sad that the resident felt he had to kill them. He will likely have PTSD over this incident.
Yeah.

This is clearly a case where deadly force was justified. Three intruders, at least two armed with deadly weapons, break into a home with criminal intent. Textbook case of justifiable and proportionate self defense.

Also, this debunks the "AR-15s are not suitable for self defense" argument that gets thrown around sometimes.
Yeah.
 
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Very long and detailed look at self-defense and the Biblical view. Very good read...


Biblical Self-Defense: What does the Bible say about self-defense? Bible study about self-defense questions: Can a Christian own a gun? What do the Scriptures say about using lethal force for self-protection?

The Biblical View of Self-Defense
Introduction

This study examines the Biblical view of self-defense. We're looking at questions such as, Is it right to employ lethal force to protect the life of yourself and others? Is it right to take measures that might kill an attacker who is wrongfully threatening your life or the life of another?

Self-defense here is defined as "protecting oneself from injury at the hand of others." Self-defense is not about taking vengeance. Self-defense is not about punishing criminals. Self-defense involves preserving one's own health and life when it is threatened by the actions of others. When we speak about using potentially lethal force in self-defense, we're talking about using weapons to protect ourselves and others, even if the weapons used could kill the attacker.

Now why in the world would we take time to look at this subject? First, as Christians, we want to know how to apply the Bible to current issues in society. We live in a country with approximately 250 million guns and approximately 300 million people. Furthermore, in our country, it is estimated that law abiding citizens defend themselves using guns approximately one million to two million times a year. Almost 200,000 people in this state alone have a legal permit to carry a concealed handgun. What does the Bible have to say about that many guns actively being used for self-protection?

We live in a time where the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, current possibilities of economic and societal collapse, and crime have people buying guns and ammunition in large quantities for self protection. What does the Bible say about that? What does the Bible say about so-called "assault weapons"?

As always, we want our hearts and minds to be ruled and informed by Scripture--not by our emotions, not by our experiences, and certainly not by the World. And because the Scriptures have much to say about this topic, it is relevant and worth examining in the Church.

The focus of this study is specific. I am not dealing with whether lethal force can legitimately be used in wartime. I am not dealing with capital punishment. I am not dealing with Biblical principles involved in the American Revolution or the War Between the States.

This study is organized in five sections. First, we will look at the Biblical obligation to preserve life. Secondly, we will look at the Biblical view of bloodshed. Thirdly, we will look at passages dealing with the application of lethal force in self-defense. Fourth, we will look at what the Bible says about possession of weapons and skill in using weapons. Finally, we look at limitations and warnings about self-defense.
 
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Sad those men decided on the path they did.
Ended their lives and damaged the life of the man defending himself.

Stupid thing really. It's pretty easy not getting shot. I've been not getting shot for 50 years now. It wasn't difficult.
 
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Of course if it had been a policeperson that had defended the innocent in this case, tulc would have simply added the three dead to his statistics on the thread he is now running.
 
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Sad those men decided on the path they did.
Ended their lives and damaged the life of the man defending himself.

Stupid thing really. It's pretty easy not getting shot. I've been not getting shot for 50 years now. It wasn't difficult.
That's exactly right. I don't get in bar fights because I don't go to bars.
 
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