LDS surprising results of text testing of BOM

[He is the way]

I did Romans 2
Readability Grade Levels
Flesch-Kincaid Grade Level 6.7
Gunning Fog Index 9.3
Readability Scores
Flesch Reading Ease 73.3
Text Statistics
Word Count 607
Sentence Count 32
Paragraph Count 30
Language Issues
Spelling Issues 33 5%
Grammar Issues 4 13%
Readability Issues
Sentences > 30 Syllables 10 31%
Words > 12 Letters 3 0%
Writing Style Issues
Adverb Count 10 2%
Cliché Count 0 0%
Readability Grade Levels
Flesch-Kincaid Grade Level 6.7
Gunning Fog Index 9.3
Coleman-Liau Index 8.8
SMOG Index 10.7
Automated Readability Index 9.0
FORCAST Grade Level 8.9
Powers Sumner Kearl Grade 5.6
Rix Readability 8
Raygor Readability 7
Fry Readability 7
Readability Scores
Readable Rating B
Flesch Reading Ease 73.3
CEFR Level C2
IELTS Level 8+
Spache Score 5.8
New Dale-Chall Score 5.2
Lix Readability 38
Lensear Write 77.8
Language Issues
Spelling Issues 33 5%
Grammar Issues 4 13%
Readability Issues
Sentences > 30 Syllables 10 31%
Sentences > 20 Syllables 23 72%
Words > 4 Syllables 6 1%
Words > 12 Letters 3 0%
Writing Style Issues
Passive Voice Count 7 2%
Adverb Count 10 2%
Cliché Count 0 0%
Text Density Issues
Characters per Word 4.4
Syllables per Word 1.4
Words per Sentence 19.0
Words per Paragraph 20.2
Sentences per Paragraph 1.1
Text Statistics
Character Count 2,698
Syllable Count 850
Word Count 607
Unique Word Count 216
Sentence Count 32
Paragraph Count 30
Timings
Reading Time 2:41
Speaking Time 4:51
Text Composition
Adjectives 25 4%
Adverbs 13 2%
Conjunctions 81 13%
Determiners 96 16%
Interjections 2 0%
Nouns 181 30%
Proper Nouns 23 4%
Prepositions 73 12%
Pronouns 49 8%
Qualifiers 0 0%
Verbs 74 12%
Unrecognised 13 2%
Non-Words 0 0%

 

[lsume]

Out of curiosity I post this below into a reader level test site.

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1 And now, behold, my brethren, I have spoken unto you, according as the Spirit hath constrained me; wherefore, I know that they must surely come to pass.

2 And the things which shall be written out of the abook shall be of great bworth unto the children of men, and especially unto our seed, which is a cremnant of the house of Israel.

3 For it shall come to pass in that day that the achurches which are built up, and not unto the Lord, when the one shall say unto the other: Behold, I, I am the Lord’s; and the others shall say: I, I am the Lord’s; and thus shall every one say that hath built up bchurches, and not unto the Lord—

4 And they shall contend one with another; and their priests shall contend one with another, and they shall teach with their alearning, and deny the bHoly Ghost, which giveth utterance.

5 And they adeny the bpower of God, the Holy One of Israel; and they say unto the people: Hearken unto us, and hear ye our precept; for behold there is cno God today, for the Lord and the Redeemer hath done his work, and he hath given his power unto men;

6 Behold, hearken ye unto my precept; if they shall say there is a miracle wrought by the hand of the Lord, believe it not; for this day he is not a God of amiracles; he hath done his work.

7 Yea, and there shall be many which shall say: aEat, drink, and be merry, for tomorrow we die; and it shall be well with us.

8 And there shall also be many which shall say: aEat, drink, and be bmerry; nevertheless, fear God—he will cjustify in committing a little dsin; yea, elie a little, take the advantage of one because of his words, dig a fpit for thy neighbor; there is gno harm in this; and do all these things, for tomorrow we die; and if it so be that we are guilty, God will beat us with a few stripes, and at last we shall be saved in the kingdom of God.

9 Yea, and there shall be many which shall teach after this manner, afalse and vain and bfoolish cdoctrines, and shall be puffed up in their hearts, and shall seek deep to hide their counsels from the Lord; and their works shall be in the dark.

10 And the ablood of the saints shall cry from the ground against them.

11 Yea, they have all gone out of the away; they have become bcorrupted.

12 Because of apride, and because of bfalse teachers, and cfalse doctrine, their churches have become corrupted, and their churches are lifted up; because of pride they are puffed up.

13 They arob the bpoor because of their fine sanctuaries; they rob the poor because of their fine clothing; and they persecute the meek and the poor in heart, because in their cpride they are puffed up.

14 They wear astiff necks and high heads; yea, and because of pride, and wickedness, and abominations, and bwhoredoms, they have all cgone astray save it be a dfew, who are the humble followers of Christ; nevertheless, they are eled, that in many instances they do ferr because they are taught by the precepts of men.

15 O the awise, and the learned, and the rich, that are puffed up in the bpride of their chearts, and all those who preach dfalse doctrines, and all those who commit ewhoredoms, and pervert the right way of the Lord, fwo, wo, wo be unto them, saith the Lord God Almighty, for they shall be thrust down to hell!

16 Wo unto them that aturn aside the just for a thing of naught and brevile against that which is good, and say that it is of no worth! For the day shall come that the Lord God will speedily visit the inhabitants of the earth; and in that day that they are cfully ripe in iniquity they shall perish.

17 But behold, if the inhabitants of the earth shall repent of their wickedness and abominations they shall not be destroyed, saith the Lord of Hosts.

18 But behold, that great and aabominable church, the bwhore of all the earth, must ctumble to the earth, and great must be the fall thereof.

19 For the kingdom of the devil must ashake, and they which belong to it must needs be stirred up unto repentance, or the bdevil will grasp them with his everlasting cchains, and they be stirred up to anger, and perish;

20 For behold, at that day shall he arage in the bhearts of the children of men, and stir them up to anger against that which is good.

21 And others will he apacify, and lull them away into carnal bsecurity, that they will say: All is well in Zion; yea, Zion prospereth, all is well—and thus the cdevil dcheateth their souls, and leadeth them away carefully down to hell.

22 And behold, others he aflattereth away, and telleth them there is no bhell; and he saith unto them: I am no devil, for there is none—and thus he whispereth in their ears, until he grasps them with his awful cchains, from whence there is no deliverance.

23 Yea, they are grasped with death, and hell; and death, and hell, and the devil, and all that have been seized therewith must stand before the throne of God, and be ajudged according to their works, from whence they must go into the place prepared for them, even a blake of fire and brimstone, which is endless torment.

24 Therefore, wo be unto him that is at aease in Zion!

25 Wo be unto him that crieth: All is well!

26 Yea, wo be unto him that ahearkeneth unto the precepts of men, and denieth the power of God, and the gift of the Holy Ghost!

27 Yea, wo be unto him that saith: We have received, and we aneed no more!

28 And in fine, wo unto all those who tremble, and are aangry because of bthe truth of God! For behold, he that is built upon the crock dreceiveth it with gladness; and he that is built upon a sandy foundation trembleth lest he shall fall.

29 Wo be unto him that shall say: We have received the word of God, and we aneed bno more of the word of God, for we have enough!

30 For behold, thus saith the Lord God: I will give unto the children of men line upon line, aprecept upon precept, here a little and there a little; and blessed are those who hearken unto my precepts, and lend an ear unto my counsel, for they shall learn bwisdom; for unto him that creceiveth I will give dmore; and from them that shall say, We have enough, from them shall be taken away even that which they have.

31 Cursed is he that putteth his atrust in man, or maketh flesh his arm, or shall hearken unto the bprecepts of men, save their precepts shall be given by the power of the Holy Ghost.

32 aWo be unto the Gentiles, saith the Lord God of Hosts! For notwithstanding I shall lengthen out mine arm unto them from day to day, they will deny me; nevertheless, I will be merciful unto them, saith the Lord God, if they will repent and bcome unto me; for mine carm is lengthened out all the day long, saith the Lord God of Hosts."
2 Nephi 28

There are numerous issues with the bom. The old English style was not timely for one.

 

[He is the way]

There are numerous issues with the bom. The old English style was not timely for one.

I see that as more of a strength than an issue.

 

[lsume]

I see that as more of a strength than an issue.

Do you mean that strength as in an obvious reason not to believe that book?

 

[He is the way]

Do you mean that strength as in an obvious reason not to believe that book?

Could you write a book of scripture the same length as the Book of Mormon in just 65 days in the King's English without any written material with you? To show this ability write just two paragraphs. No cheating.

 

[lsume]

Could you write a book of scripture the same length as the Book of Mormon in just 65 days in the King's English without any written material with you? To show this ability write just two paragraphs. No cheating.

I would not try I pray. The Bible is sufficient. However I don’t think that I can convince you of that.

 

[He is the way]

I would not try I pray. The Bible is sufficient. However I don’t think that I can convince you of that.

I am grateful for the Book of Mormon but then I know that there are many more things to be revealed. The Bible is not sufficient:

(New Testament | John 21:25)

25 And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.

 

[Daniel Marsh]

I did Romans 2
Readability Grade Levels
Flesch-Kincaid Grade Level 6.7
Gunning Fog Index 9.3
Readability Scores
Flesch Reading Ease 73.3
Text Statistics
Word Count 607
Sentence Count 32
Paragraph Count 30
Language Issues
Spelling Issues 33 5%
Grammar Issues 4 13%
Readability Issues
Sentences > 30 Syllables 10 31%
Words > 12 Letters 3 0%
Writing Style Issues
Adverb Count 10 2%
Cliché Count 0 0%
Readability Grade Levels
Flesch-Kincaid Grade Level 6.7
Gunning Fog Index 9.3
Coleman-Liau Index 8.8
SMOG Index 10.7
Automated Readability Index 9.0
FORCAST Grade Level 8.9
Powers Sumner Kearl Grade 5.6
Rix Readability 8
Raygor Readability 7
Fry Readability 7
Readability Scores
Readable Rating B
Flesch Reading Ease 73.3
CEFR Level C2
IELTS Level 8+
Spache Score 5.8
New Dale-Chall Score 5.2
Lix Readability 38
Lensear Write 77.8
Language Issues
Spelling Issues 33 5%
Grammar Issues 4 13%
Readability Issues
Sentences > 30 Syllables 10 31%
Sentences > 20 Syllables 23 72%
Words > 4 Syllables 6 1%
Words > 12 Letters 3 0%
Writing Style Issues
Passive Voice Count 7 2%
Adverb Count 10 2%
Cliché Count 0 0%
Text Density Issues
Characters per Word 4.4
Syllables per Word 1.4
Words per Sentence 19.0
Words per Paragraph 20.2
Sentences per Paragraph 1.1
Text Statistics
Character Count 2,698
Syllable Count 850
Word Count 607
Unique Word Count 216
Sentence Count 32
Paragraph Count 30
Timings
Reading Time 2:41
Speaking Time 4:51
Text Composition
Adjectives 25 4%
Adverbs 13 2%
Conjunctions 81 13%
Determiners 96 16%
Interjections 2 0%
Nouns 181 30%
Proper Nouns 23 4%
Prepositions 73 12%
Pronouns 49 8%
Qualifiers 0 0%
Verbs 74 12%
Unrecognised 13 2%
Non-Words 0 0%

I am not surprised friend.

Mounce — 12+ (ages 17+)
KJV — 12+ (ages 17+)
RSV — 12+ (ages 17+)
Geneva — 12+ (ages 17+)
WEB — 12+ (ages 17+)
NRSV — 11+ (ages 16+)
NASB — 11+ (ages 16+)
Amplified — 11+ (ages 16+)
MEV — 11+ (ages 16+)
LEB — 11+ (ages 16+)
ESV — 10+ (ages 15+)
J.B. Phillips NT — 10+ (ages 15+)
NABRE — 9+ (ages 14+)
NIV — 7+ (ages 12+)
CEB — 7+ (ages 12+)
NET — 7+ (ages 12+)
GNT — 7+ (ages 12+)
ISV — 7+ (ages 12+)
NKJV — 7+ (ages 12+)
HCSB — 7+ (ages 12+)
The Voice — 6+ (ages 11+)
NLT — 6+ (ages 11+)
CEV — 5+ (ages 10+)
GW — 5+ (ages 10+)
The Message — 4+ (ages 9+)
Living — 4+ (ages 9+)
ERV — 4+ (ages 9+)
NCV — 3+ (ages 7+)
ICB — 3+ (ages 7+)
NIrV — 3+ (ages 7+)
Bible Translation Reading Levels - Bible Gateway Blog

 

[Daniel Marsh]

I see that as more of a strength than an issue.

1830 - 1611 is how many years out of date?

 

[Daniel Marsh]

Could you write a book of scripture the same length as the Book of Mormon in just 65 days in the King's English without any written material with you? To show this ability write just two paragraphs. No cheating.

Rest of the Story:
Issue 107 - Salt Lake City Messenger
Issue 105 - Salt Lake City Messenger
Utah Lighthouse Ministry: Topical Index

The Same Kind of Challenge was given for the Koran and has been met.
Has the Quran’s Challenge Been Met? Pt. 1
Has the Quran’s Challenge Been Met? Pt. 2
Has the Quran’s Challenge Been Met? Pt. 3

I do not remember if someone meet the challenge for the BOM.

 

[Daniel Marsh]

I would not try I pray. The Bible is sufficient. However I don’t think that I can convince you of that.

There is a problem with run on sentences in the BOM.

 

[Daniel Marsh]

I am grateful for the Book of Mormon but then I know that there are many more things to be revealed. The Bible is not sufficient:

(New Testament | John 21:25)

25 And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.

Friend, that verse does not prove there would be more revelations on level with the Bible.
The Bible says something about the Bible being Sufficient for what matters like Salvation.

 

[Daniel Marsh]

read to here

 

[He is the way]

Friend, that verse does not prove there would be more revelations on level with the Bible.
The Bible says something about the Bible being Sufficient for what matters like Salvation.

The Bible is sufficient for salvation for the living, but not for the dead.

 

[BigDaddy4]

Could you write a book of scripture the same length as the Book of Mormon in just 65 days in the King's English without any written material with you? To show this ability write just two paragraphs. No cheating.

Huh. Here I was thinking that you had an original, rational reason for constantly issuing this "challenge" of yours.

Turns out...

Rest of the Story:
Issue 107 - Salt Lake City Messenger

... you were just parroting someone else's challenge. The link thoroughly refutes this challenge and debunks any validity of the BoM, especially as "the most correct book on Earth" or whatever claim your church makes about it.

 

[He is the way]

Huh. Here I was thinking that you had an original, rational reason for constantly issuing this "challenge" of yours.

Turns out...

... you were just parroting someone else's challenge. The link thoroughly refutes this challenge and debunks any validity of the BoM, especially as "the most correct book on Earth" or whatever claim your church makes about it.

Turns out no one has taken the challenge because they know they could not do it. Your article stated:

"5. Your history must be 531 pages and over 300,000 words in length.

There are a number of books of equal or greater length claiming to come from God. Examples are the Koran......."

However the Koran has 157,935 words about half as many words and took 15 years to write, not 65 days. I would say that is not much of a comparison. The other books listed were not written in 65 days either. That being said Ellen White is the closest.

 

[Hrairoo]

It's based on a false premise. We can trace everything in the BoM to discussions both political and religious that were going on around Joseph as he was growing up. For example, the theories around the origin of the Native Americans as being ancient Hebrew had many books and news articles and pamphlets written about it prior to the translation process for the Book of Mormon started. Joseph even told his whole family stories of ancient people who lived on this continent night after night long before the translation process began.

Not to mention how many edits were made to the BoM just by Joseph Smith after the first publishing in 1830, showed he was continuing to edit this "most perfect book". Which, by the way, the fact that it needed to be edited so many times invalidates the translation process.

It wasn't written in 65 days. Try 10 or so years.

 

[BigDaddy4]

Turns out no one has taken the challenge because they know they could not do it. Your article stated:

"5. Your history must be 531 pages and over 300,000 words in length.

There are a number of books of equal or greater length claiming to come from God. Examples are the Koran......."

However the Koran has 157,935 words about half as many words and took and took 15 years to write, not 65 days. I would say that is not much of a comparison. The other books listed were not written in 65 days either. That being said Ellen White is the closest.

And you ignore the rest of the link. Imagine that. Taking up the challenge would be pointless. What would be the point? Would that cure your spiritual blindness? You're the one touting it as a "miracle" and "has to be from God" because no one else has done it. No one needs to write a 300,000 word, 531 page fictional book to disprove its merit. It does that all on its own!

 

[He is the way]

It's based on a false premise. We can trace everything in the BoM to discussions both political and religious that were going on around Joseph as he was growing up. For example, the theories around the origin of the Native Americans as being ancient Hebrew had many books and news articles and pamphlets written about it prior to the translation process for the Book of Mormon started. Joseph even told his whole family stories of ancient people who lived on this continent night after night long before the translation process began.

Not to mention how many edits were made to the BoM just by Joseph Smith after the first publishing in 1830, showed he was continuing to edit this "most perfect book". Which, by the way, the fact that it needed to be edited so many times invalidates the translation process.

It wasn't written in 65 days. Try 10 or so years.

It was dictated and written in 65 working days:

"Conservatively estimated, this leaves sixty-five or fewer working days on which the Prophet and his scribes could have translated. That works out to be an average of eight pages per day. At such a pace, only about a week could have been taken to translate all of 1 Nephi; a day and a half for King Benjamin’s speech. Considering the complexity, consistency, clarity, artistry, accuracy, density, and profundity of the Book of Mormon, the Prophet Joseph’s translation is a phenomenal feat. As Oliver Cowdery a few years afterwards testified, “These were days never to be forgotten—to sit under the sound of a voice dictated by the inspiration of heaven, awakened the utmost gratitude of this bosom! Day after day I continued, uninterrupted, to write from his mouth, as he translated … the Book of Mormon.”10"

From: How long did it take Joseph Smith to translate the Book of Mormon?

Yes Joseph Smith did tell his family about the visions he had about the Nephites and Lamanites. As for the changes:

"The first completed manuscript, called the original manuscript, was completed using a variety of scribes. Portions of the original manuscript were also used for typesetting.[117] In October 1841, the entire original manuscript was placed into the cornerstone of the Nauvoo House, and sealed up until nearly forty years later when the cornerstone was reopened. It was then discovered that much of the original manuscript had been destroyed by water seepage and mold. Surviving manuscript pages were handed out to various families and individuals in the 1880s.[118]

Only 28 percent of the original manuscript now survives, including a remarkable find of fragments from 58 pages in 1991. The majority of what remains of the original manuscript is now kept in the LDS Church's Archives.[117]

The second completed manuscript, called the printer's manuscript, was a copy of the original manuscript produced by Oliver Cowdery and two other scribes.[117] It is at this point that initial copyediting of the Book of Mormon was completed. Observations of the original manuscript show little evidence of corrections to the text.[118]"

From: Book of Mormon - Wikipedia

 

[He is the way]

And you ignore the rest of the link. Imagine that. Taking up the challenge would be pointless. What would be the point? Would that cure your spiritual blindness? You're the one touting it as a "miracle" and "has to be from God" because no one else has done it. No one needs to write a 300,000 word, 531 page fictional book to disprove its merit. It does that all on its own!

I will keep on touting the Book of Mormon for the miracle it is. Isaiah prophesied of the coming forth of the Book of Mormon:

(Old Testament | Isaiah 29:11 - 14)

11 And the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed, which men deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I cannot; for it is sealed:
12 And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned.
13 ¶ Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:
14 Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvellous work among this people, even a marvellous work and a wonder: for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid.