Should all Christians support Uganda's newest anti LGBTQ+ legislation?

[Whyayeman]

Then you clearly know nothing of Christ’s words.

Well, there is an easy way forward for us. One direct quote will do in which Christ specifically condemns homosexuality.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Are you sure, Brother? I mean, I kow it isn't in the 10 commandments but this is the words of the Creator God to His creation, like a dads words to his son. Everything a dad says to their son is not given to the son as a commandment ultimatum type of command, but still the son learns to follow his dads words, doesn't he? Of course. So if this be so, then how much more so with our Father in Heaven?

And so what if the earth needed populated very much at those times when God said them. This planet isnt even out of room for people yet. God knew how big the earth He wanted to hold how many people and of course He ensured enough resources to make it happen.

Paul said that it is better for us not to marry unless we cannot control our temptation for lust. Paul is not undermining God’s statement to multiply. God simply said to Adam & Noah “go forth and multiply”. He never stated it as a commandment for all to adhere to. God also told Noah to build an ark, surely that doesn’t mean that all Christians are commanded to build an ark, are they?

 

[Whyayeman]

No, that would be memory, lol. Sorry. Somebody else. So your gay? So what. Your choice.

Try again. Go slowly. Run your finger along the screen. Here is is again, in nice a large font.

I don't think I have said anything about my sexuality.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Well, there is an easy way forward for us. One direct quote will do in which Christ specifically condemns homosexuality.

Jesus specifically forbids fornication 12 times in the book of Revelation.

The Greek word porneuō refers to all types of sexual immorality that was forbidden by God. Do you know where the word sodomy came from? It came from Sodom the city God destroyed because of their sexual immorality.

Edit: apparently the website won’t allow me to post the Greek word that is translated to fornication so it automatically changed it to “inappropriate content”.

 

[Whyayeman]

Jesus specifically forbids fornication 12 times in the book of Revelation.

Not specifically about homosexuality, and not direct quotes of Christ.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Not specifically about homosexuality, and not direct quotes of Christ.

The book of Revelation is not a direct quote from Christ? What color are those quotes in your Bible? And you didn’t answer my question are Paul’s writings the word of God or not?

 

[Whyayeman]

It came from Sodom the city God destroyed because of their sexual immorality.

Yes, I remember. What about Gomorrah? I have sometimes wondered what they got up to there. Once again that Bible has let us down.

As for your question about Paul: I don't believe in any divine force; therefore I believe Paul's words are sincere, but they are his own in as far as they can be attributed to him. And of course Revelation is not the direct word of Christ, whatever colour your Bible prints them. I have never before come across that contention.

 

[Divide]

Well, there is an easy way forward for us. One direct quote will do in which Christ specifically condemns homosexuality.

There's one in Romans 1
If you start at the 24th verse it's pretty much the rest of the chapter/

Roman 1:24-
24 Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, 25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.

26 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their [i]women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. 27 Likewise also the [j]men, leaving the natural use of the [k]woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; 29 being filled with all unrighteousness, [l]sexual immorality, wickedness, [m]covetousness, [n]maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, 30 backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 [o]undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, [p]unforgiving, unmerciful; 32 who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.../NLT

I love that new NLT version. A version interprted just a wee bit clarified with language that addresses todays social problems to an extent. I do hope this is specific enough for you.

 

[Divide]

Try again. Go slowly. Run your finger along the screen. Here is is again, in nice a large font.

I don't think I have said anything about my sexuality.

Right, but someone else said they was a non homo but want to see them have all their rights and privleges. So, again, sorry. my memory let me down and I thought it was you, erroneously! My mistake, my mistake. You ok now?

 

[Whyayeman]

There's one in Romans 1

Again, not from the Gospels. There is no direct prohibition on homosexuality in the Gospels. The justification for for the Churches' attitude is entirely from secondary sources, always justified by the claim that the New Testament writers had a direct line to Jesus. That is: they knew he would agree.

I have no problem with some denominations of the Church insisting on homosexual acts being an abomination, so long as they understand that it is a tradition not backed up by reference to Christ's own words and that their traditions are not followed by other denominations and the world in general.

Christians have no monopoly on morality.

 

[Divide]

Again, not from the Gospels. There is no direct prohibition on homosexuality in the Gospels. The justification for for the Churches' attitude is entirely from secondary sources, always justified by the claim that the New Testament writers had a direct line to Jesus. That is: they knew he would agree.

I have no problem with some denominations of the Church insisting on homosexual acts being an abomination, so long as they understand that it is a tradition not backed up by reference to Christ's own words and that their traditions are not followed by other denominations and the world in general.

Christians have no monopoly on morality.

Christians have no monopoly on morality? You don't even know who the enemy is! It's not the Christians...

So if it's not directly in Matthew, Mark, Luke, or John and Jesus wasn't quoted then you don't believe that it is forbidden?

Does that mean that you trust the Gospels but not the rest of the Bible?

But it you think about it, then if the gospels are true then all of it has to be. Or do you doubt Almighty God's ability to get a book of His word into your hands?

 

[Whyayeman]

Christians have no monopoly on morality? You don't even know who the enemy is! It's not the Christians...

So if it's not directly in Matthew, Mark, Luke, or John and Jesus wasn't quoted then you don't believe that it is forbidden?

Does that mean that you trust the Gospels but not the rest of the Bible?

But it you think about it, then if the gospels are true then all of it has to be. Or do you doubt Almighty God's ability to get a book of His word into your hands?

I don't believe in 'Almighty God', remember. I don't take my instructions from the Bible. But even if anybody can point to a direct reference it wouldn't matter to me. Christians have no monopoly of morality; the same moral framework is to be found in other cultures, many of them older than Christianity.

My grouse about quoting the New Testament generally is that for Christians the Organ Grinder should be Christ and the Apostles the monkey. So often people post here who attribute words to Christ which are actually written elsewhere. It feels slightly dishonest sometimes. There are examples on this thread.

 

[Gene2memE]

Never mind, anger clouds the judgement.

Just to be clear though. Of the two main Christian participants at the moment, one believes we live in a monarchy and the other believes the United States should be a theocracy.

Yeesh....

 

[Whyayeman]

Never mind, anger clouds the judgement.

I'm not angry, I'm disappointed.

Our democracies are safe from theocracy. I, of course, already live in a monarchy. We have lots of spare heirs. Perhaps we could sell you some.

 

[Divide]

I don't believe in 'Almighty God', remember. I don't take my instructions from the Bible. But even if anybody can point to a direct reference it wouldn't matter to me. Christians have no monopoly of morality; the same moral framework is to be found in other cultures, many of them older than Christianity.

Other cultures? Which one? One of those old Pagan cultures that worship Baal? Molech?

 

[BNR32FAN]

I don't believe in 'Almighty God', remember. I don't take my instructions from the Bible. But even if anybody can point to a direct reference it wouldn't matter to me. Christians have no monopoly of morality; the same moral framework is to be found in other cultures, many of them older than Christianity.

My grouse about quoting the New Testament generally is that for Christians the Organ Grinder should be Christ and the Apostles the monkey. So often people post here who attribute words to Christ which are actually written elsewhere. It feels slightly dishonest sometimes. There are examples on this thread.

Adam & Eve were the first Christians.

“They heard the sound of the Lord God walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and the man and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the Lord God among the trees of the garden.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭3‬:‭8‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

“No one has ascended into heaven, but He who descended from heaven: the Son of Man.”
‭‭John‬ ‭3‬:‭13‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

“Not that anyone has seen the Father, except the One who is from God; He has seen the Father.”
‭‭John‬ ‭6‬:‭46‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

It was Jesus who was walking in the garden in Genesis 3.

 

[Divide]

I'm not angry, I'm disappointed.

Our democracies are safe from theocracy. I, of course, already live in a monarchy. We have lots of spare heirs. Perhaps we could sell you some.

You do? What is your Kings name? Surely he has a name?

 

[Whyayeman]

Other cultures? Which one? One of those old Pagan cultures that worship Baal? Molech?

Greek, the Jews, Chinese, Indian. (None of these were Pagan, but Pagans too had well-developed moral codes, not that different from our own.)

 

[Whyayeman]

You do? What is your Kings name? Surely he has a name?

If you don't know by next Saturday you never will.

 

[Whyayeman]

It was Jesus who was walking in the garden in Genesis 3.

Well, well! That will be news to a lot of observant Christians. Not that it has much to do with the proposed law to make homosexual acts a capital offence in Uganda.