Jew vs Islam vs Gentile Christian. What's wisdom say?

[Mr. M]

Why do you ask?

Paul concisely explains the correct attitude for a Gentile to have towards the Jews,
essentially answering the inquiries of the OP.

 

[HopeSings]

Paul concisely explains the correct attitude for a Gentile to have towards the Jews,
essentially answering the inquiries of the OP.

We don't boast against the branches but we don't justify their faithlessness either.

 

[Mr. M]

We don't boast against the branches but we don't justify their faithlessness either.

Does Israel have to become a Christian nation to justify supporting their existence?
Romans 11:
1 I say then, has God cast away His people? Certainly not!
For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
2 God has not cast away His people whom He foreknew.
Or do you not know what the Scripture says of Elijah,
how he pleads with God against Israel, saying,
3 “Lord, they have killed Your prophets and torn down Your altars,
and I alone am left, and they seek my life”?
4 But what does the divine response say to him?
“I have reserved for Myself seven thousand men
who have not bowed the knee to Baal.”
5 Even so then, at this present time
there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

All that is required is a remnant in Israel to justify
their existence. Are there Jewish believers in Israel?
At least 7,000.

 

[Mr. M]

What about this scripture? How do we see Jews who don't believe in Christ?

2 John 1:9 Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son. 10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house nor greet him; 11 for he who greets him shares in his evil deeds.

Addressing individuals, not nations.

 

[HopeSings]

Does Israel have to become a Christian nation to justify supporting their existence?
Romans 11:
1 I say then, has God cast away His people? Certainly not!
For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
2 God has not cast away His people whom He foreknew.
Or do you not know what the Scripture says of Elijah,
how he pleads with God against Israel, saying,
3 “Lord, they have killed Your prophets and torn down Your altars,
and I alone am left, and they seek my life”?
4 But what does the divine response say to him?
“I have reserved for Myself seven thousand men
who have not bowed the knee to Baal.”
5 Even so then, at this present time
there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

All that is required is a remnant in Israel to justify
their existence. Are there Jewish believers in Israel?
At least 7,000.

I support eryones existence.

 

[HopeSings]

Addressing individuals, not nations.

The nation Israel is not obeying God.

 

[Mr. M]

I don't understand why people support Israel. They're not Christian are they? Isn't that like supporting the anti Christ? Forgive me if I'm wrong but how am I supposed to see it?

Please clarify your position then. You say you support the existence of all,
but your OP questions supporting Israel because they are not Christian.

 

[HopeSings]

Please clarify your position then. You say you support the existence of all,
but your OP questions supporting Israel because they are not Christian.

Paul didn't support Israel in the flesh.

 

[Mr. M]

Paul didn't support Israel in the flesh.

You do greatly err.
Romans 9:
1 I tell the truth in Christ, I am not lying, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Spirit,
2 that I have great sorrow and continual grief in my heart.
3 For I could wish that I myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren,
my countrymen according to the flesh,
4 who are Israelites, to whom pertain the adoption, the glory, the covenants,
the giving of the law, the service of God, and the promises;
5 of whom are the fathers and from whom, according to the flesh,
Christ came, who is over all, the eternally blessed God. Amen.

 

[HopeSings]

You do greatly err.
Romans 9:
1 I tell the truth in Christ, I am not lying, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Spirit,
2 that I have great sorrow and continual grief in my heart.
3 For I could wish that I myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren,
my countrymen according to the flesh,
4 who are Israelites, to whom pertain the adoption, the glory, the covenants,
the giving of the law, the service of God, and the promises;
5 of whom are the fathers and from whom, according to the flesh,
Christ came, who is over all, the eternally blessed God. Amen.

The scripture seems to say that they're cursed. Why would I support anti Christian?

 

[Mr. M]

The scripture seems to say that they're cursed. Why would I support anti Christian?

Not a response to what I have cited from Romans 9.
What scriptures are you referring to that "seem to say they are cursed"?

 

[Mr. M]

Paul didn't support Israel in the flesh.

3 For I could wish that I myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren,
my countrymen according to the flesh,

He states that he would accept being accursed for the sake
of his countrymen, completely contradicting your statement.
Read it again.

 

[HopeSings]

He states that he would accept being accursed for the sake
of his countrymen, completely contradicting your statement.
Read it again.

If someone denies Jesus then they can't be my brethren. I don't see how it's possible.

 

[Mr. M]

If someone denies Jesus then they can't be my brethren. I don't see how it's possible.

That has nothing to do with Paul's attitude towards Israel.
If that is how you justify rejecting the nation of Israel, so be it.
Jeremiah 30:
8 ‘For it shall come to pass in that day,’
Says the Lord of hosts,
‘That I will break his yoke from your neck,
And will burst your bonds;
Foreigners shall no more enslave them.
9 But they shall serve the Lord their God,
And David their king,
Whom I will raise up for them.
10 ‘Therefore do not fear, O My servant Jacob,’ says the Lord,
‘Nor be dismayed, O Israel;
For behold, I will save you from afar,
And your seed from the land of their captivity.
Jacob shall return, have rest and be quiet,
And no one shall make him afraid.
11 For I am with you,’ says the Lord, ‘to save you;
Though I make a full end of all nations where I have scattered you,
Yet I will not make a complete end of you.
But I will correct you in justice,
And will not let you go altogether unpunished.’

 

[HopeSings]

That has nothing to do with Paul's attitude towards Israel.
If that is how you justify rejecting the nation of Israel, so be it.
Jeremiah 30:
8 ‘For it shall come to pass in that day,’
Says the Lord of hosts,
‘That I will break his yoke from your neck,
And will burst your bonds;
Foreigners shall no more enslave them.
9 But they shall serve the Lord their God,
And David their king,
Whom I will raise up for them.
10 ‘Therefore do not fear, O My servant Jacob,’ says the Lord,
‘Nor be dismayed, O Israel;
For behold, I will save you from afar,
And your seed from the land of their captivity.
Jacob shall return, have rest and be quiet,
And no one shall make him afraid.
11 For I am with you,’ says the Lord, ‘to save you;
Though I make a full end of all nations where I have scattered you,
Yet I will not make a complete end of you.
But I will correct you in justice,
And will not let you go altogether unpunished.’

I don't justify wickedness. Anti Jesus is not good

 

[Mr. M]

I don't justify wickedness. Anti Jesus is not good

That is irrelevant, since you do not have the authority
to justify anybody.
Romans 11:
25 For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery,
lest you should be wise in your own opinion,
that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in.
26 And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written:
“The Deliverer will come out of Zion,
And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob;
27 For this is My covenant with them,
When I take away their sins.”
28 Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake,
but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers.
29 For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.
30 For as you were once disobedient to God, yet have now obtained mercy through their disobedience,
31 even so these also have now been disobedient, that through
the mercy shown you they also may obtain mercy.
32 For God has committed them all to disobedience, that He might have mercy on all.

Your position is merciless, and contradictory to sound doctrine.
James 2:
12 So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty.
13 For judgment is without mercy to the one who has shown no mercy.
Mercy triumphs over judgment.

 

[HopeSings]

That is irrelevant, since you do not have the authority
to justify anybody.
Romans 11:
25 For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery,
lest you should be wise in your own opinion,
that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in.
26 And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written:
“The Deliverer will come out of Zion,
And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob;
27 For this is My covenant with them,
When I take away their sins.”
28 Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake,
but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers.
29 For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.
30 For as you were once disobedient to God, yet have now obtained mercy through their disobedience,
31 even so these also have now been disobedient, that through
the mercy shown you they also may obtain mercy.
32 For God has committed them all to disobedience, that He might have mercy on all.

Your position is merciless, and contradictory to sound doctrine.
James 2:
12 So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty.
13 For judgment is without mercy to the one who has shown no mercy.
Mercy triumphs over judgment.

Friend. I hope all people get saved but I don't justify them or their ethnicity. There is no Jew and Greek but everyone is new in spirit.

2 Corinthians 5:16 Therefore, from now on, we regard no one according to the flesh. Even though we have known Christ according to the flesh, yet now we know Him thus no longer. 17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new.

Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.