NH GOP Rep Votes Against Bill Banning Marriage of “Ripe, Fertile” Minors

[iluvatar5150]

GOP official argues in favor of child marriage: Girls are ‘ripe’ and ‘fertile’

Twenty states don't set minimum age for girls to marry

www.nj.com

• The measure passed the Senate unanimously in March. On Thursday, it passed the House, 192-174. The bill now goes to Gov. Chris Sununu for signing into law.

• One of those voting against was Representative Jess Edwards, whose comments sparked immediate gasps from colleagues.

• “… If we continually restrict the freedom of marriage as a legitimate social option, when we do this to people who are a ripe, fertile age and may have a pregnancy and a baby involved, are we not, in fact, making abortion a much more desirable alternative, when marriage might be the right solution for some freedom-loving couples?” he said.

 

[Paulos23]

GOP official argues in favor of child marriage: Girls are ‘ripe’ and ‘fertile’

Twenty states don't set minimum age for girls to marry

www.nj.com

• The measure passed the Senate unanimously in March. On Thursday, it passed the House, 192-174. The bill now goes to Gov. Chris Sununu for signing into law.
• One of those voting against was Representative Jess Edwards, whose comments sparked immediate gasps from colleagues.
• “… If we continually restrict the freedom of marriage as a legitimate social option, when we do this to people who are a ripe, fertile age and may have a pregnancy and a baby involved, are we not, in fact, making abortion a much more desirable alternative, when marriage might be the right solution for some freedom-loving couples?” he said.

I think child marriage leads to an increase in abortions, not less, given the age disparity of those unions. It is not the teens getting married to each other, but teen girls being married to someone older or their rapist and abuser by their parents once they find out they are with someone and/or pregnant.

And if you don't think that happens:

Forced and Child Marriage: Survivor Stories - Unchained At Last

Think forced and child marriage don’t happen in the United States? Here are the stories of survivors who have experienced forced marriage (where one or both parties do not give full, free, consent) or child marriage (where one or both parties is under 18, often a form of forced marriage) in the U.S.

www.unchainedatlast.org

 

[Laodicean60]

Marriage isn't the answer for kids because the probability of it lasting would be slim. It is the job of parents to go to the health office and bring back a box of pills and rubbers and talk to their kids about pregnancy. I talked to my daughters at ages 10 and 12 about sex and till they left for college.
Now that I'm a grandparent I encourage my kids to crank out more. lol

 

[ThatRobGuy]

While it sounds like the phrasing is pretty poor (not sure why he would choose to use words like "ripe and fertile"....that's more than a bit creepy)

It sounds like this bill was aimed at raising the age for voluntary marriage from 16 to 18.

Right now, it sounds like the majority of states are allowing it at 16

Marriage Age by State 2024

While I personally don't think anyone should even be considering marriage until 21 (brains aren't even fully developed until mid-20s), seems like one needs to consider the context in which they were discussing it.

California just introduced legislation to try to ban it again after failed attempts in the past.

The Fight to End Child Marriage in California

UNICEF USA and partners like Unchained at Last are working together to outlaw marriage before age 18 — no exceptions — in all 50 U.S. states.

www.unicefusa.org

Why child marriage is legal in California — and the unexpected groups fighting to keep it that way

Some advocates want California to prohibit marriage for people under age 18. But groups including the ACLU and Planned Parenthood have opposed such bans, saying they could undermine minors' rights to seek abortions and other sexual health care.

www.latimes.com

The policy comes as a surprise in liberal California, home to some of the strongest sexual violence protections in the nation. What’s more surprising is that opposition to a prohibition on marriage before age 18 has not been driven by Republicans as in other states but by progressive groups including the ACLU and Planned Parenthood — both of which have sway in the majority-Democrat Legislature.

Among their concerns is that a total ban on marriage of minors could be a slippery slope and impede constitutional rights or reproductive choices, including access to abortion.

“That pretty much made it clear I was not going to be able to do this,” former Democratic state Sen. Jerry Hill, who attempted to ban underage marriage in 2017, said of the unexpected opposition from the influential groups.


The reality is, nobody should be making any major life-changing decisions at 16 (nor should 16 year olds be allowed to drink, smoke, or vote). The underlying idea is creepy, but I don't think we should pretend it's inherently anymore creepy when a person we have other disagreements with says it.

Planned Parenthood and ACLU suggests "We should not restrict marriage to 18 because that could because that could have implications on abortion policy"
Democratic state legislature of Cali: "Okay, we'll vote against the rule change"

This republican dude suggests "We should not restrict marriage to 18 because that could because that could have implications on abortions"
"Gasp!!!! Can you believe what Edwards said just because he wants his preference to hold sway on the topic abortions?!?!"

 

[Adam56]

1 Corinthians 7:36 (KJV)
But if any man thinks he is acting improperly toward his virgin, if she is past marriageable age, and so it must be, he can do what he wants.

Leviticus 15:33 (KJV)
And of her that is sick of her flowers, and of him that hath an issue, of the man, and of the woman, and of him that lieth with her that is unclean.

Leviticus 15:33 (NIV)
for a woman in her monthly period, for a man or a woman with a discharge, and for a man who has sexual relations with a woman who is ceremonially unclean.

The Bible says the father is in charge here, not the government. The government has no business interfering here. This is an attack on traditional family freedoms.

 

[Hans Blaster]

1 Corinthians 7:36 (KJV)
But if any man thinks he is acting improperly toward his virgin, if she is past marriageable age, and so it must be, he can do what he wants.

Leviticus 15:33 (KJV)
And of her that is sick of her flowers, and of him that hath an issue, of the man, and of the woman, and of him that lieth with her that is unclean.

Leviticus 15:33 (NIV)
for a woman in her monthly period, for a man or a woman with a discharge, and for a man who has sexual relations with a woman who is ceremonially unclean.

The Bible says the father is in charge here, not the government. The government has no business interfering here. This is an attack on traditional family freedoms.

The bible has no legal standing in this country.

 

[Adam56]

The bible has no legal standing in this country.

And water is wet.

Wanted to let the biblically illiterate Christians on the forum know what God thinks, lest they just succumb to the secular culture morality.

 

[Nithavela]

And water is wet.

Wanted to let the biblically illiterate Christians on the forum know what God thinks, lest they just succumb to the secular culture morality.

Don't forget what the bible says about keeping slaves, while you're at it.

 

[Hans Blaster]

And water is wet.

Wanted to let the biblically illiterate Christians on the forum know what God thinks, lest they just succumb to the secular culture morality.

Consider mine to be a warning to anyone taking the quoted biblical text too explicitly that they might be violating the law and could end up in prison for dealing with "his virgin".

 

[Adam56]

Consider mine to be a warning to anyone taking the quoted biblical text too explicitly that they might be violating the law and could end up in prison for dealing with "his virgin".

Fair enough.

 

[rjs330]

Personally i don't think we live in a society where kids have any idea what they are doing at 16. We parents really try to do our best and hope for the best. But unfortunately it rarely works out I know from personal experience.

Kids do not have the maturity or understanding about what it takes to be married. Shoot an aweful lot of adults don't either.

I used to think that if a girl gets pregnant she should get married at 16. But I honestly was just dumb. I get the reasoning. A baby should have a two parent intact family of responsible people. But kids just are not responsible. They are not mentally emotionally mature enough. And our society just makes them that way. I think too often we are too idyllic. I wouldn't oppose the 18 year old limitation.

 

[durangodawood]

.....The reality is, nobody should be making any major life-changing decisions at 16.....

including the decisions involved in operating an automobile.

 

[FreeinChrist]

1 Corinthians 7:36 (KJV)
But if any man thinks he is acting improperly toward his virgin, if she is past marriageable age, and so it must be, he can do what he wants.

A clearer translation:

1 Corinthians 7:36 — The New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)​

36 If anyone thinks that he is not behaving properly toward his fiancée, if his passions are strong, and so it has to be, let him marry as he wishes; it is no sin. Let them marry.

But it is not the law of land.

Leviticus 15:33 (KJV)
And of her that is sick of her flowers, and of him that hath an issue, of the man, and of the woman, and of him that lieth with her that is unclean.

Leviticus 15:33 (NIV)
for a woman in her monthly period, for a man or a woman with a discharge, and for a man who has sexual relations with a woman who is ceremonially unclean.

The Bible says the father is in charge here, not the government. The government has no business interfering here. This is an attack on traditional family freedoms.

The Leviticus passage is old covenant which Christians are not under any more. We don't stone people. Nor is it the law of the land. The government in each respective land has authority with marriage.

 

[Adam56]

The Leviticus passage is old covenant which Christians are not under any more. We don't stone people. Nor is it the law of the land.

The Leviticus passage I posted was to point out what “flower” means in this Biblical context, and it means a woman’s menstruation.

The government in each respective land has authority with marriage.

Are you suggesting God only sees marriages as valid if there is a marriage license involved?

 

[FreeinChrist]

I believe God wants us to follow the laws.

Heb 13:17
Obey your leaders and submit to them—for they keep watch over your souls as those who will give an account—so that they may do this with joy, not [fn]groaning; for this would be unhelpful for you.


Strong's has this for the word translated to leaders:

G2233 - hēgeomai - Strong's Greek Lexicon (nasb20)

G2233 - ἡγέομαι hēgéomai, hayg-eh'-om-ahee; middle voice of a (presumed) strengthened form of ; to lead, i.e. command (with official authority); figuratively, to deem, i.e. consider:—account, (be) chief, count, esteem, governor, judge, have the rule over, suppose, think.

www.blueletterbible.org

Outline of Biblical Usage [?]

1. to lead
   1. to go before
   2. to be a leader
      1. to rule, command
      2. to have authority over
      3. a prince, of regal power, governor, viceroy, chief, leading as respects influence, controlling in counsel, overseers or leaders of the churches
      4. used of any kind of leader, chief, commander
      5. the leader in speech, chief, spokesman
2. to consider, deem, account, think

 

[FreeinChrist]

The Leviticus passage I posted was to point out what “flower” means in this Biblical context, and it means a woman’s menstruation.

Are you suggesting God only sees marriages as valid if there is a marriage license involved?

BTW, we are under the New Covenant, not the Old.

 

[Adam56]

I believe God wants us to follow the laws.

Heb 13:17
Obey your leaders and submit to them—for they keep watch over your souls as those who will give an account—so that they may do this with joy, not [fn]groaning; for this would be unhelpful for you.


Strong's has this for the word translated to leaders:

G2233 - hēgeomai - Strong's Greek Lexicon (nasb20)

G2233 - ἡγέομαι hēgéomai, hayg-eh'-om-ahee; middle voice of a (presumed) strengthened form of ; to lead, i.e. command (with official authority); figuratively, to deem, i.e. consider:—account, (be) chief, count, esteem, governor, judge, have the rule over, suppose, think.

www.blueletterbible.org

Outline of Biblical Usage [?]

1. to lead
   1. to go before
   2. to be a leader
      1. to rule, command
      2. to have authority over
      3. a prince, of regal power, governor, viceroy, chief, leading as respects influence, controlling in counsel, overseers or leaders of the churches
      4. used of any kind of leader, chief, commander
      5. the leader in speech, chief, spokesman
2. to consider, deem, account, think

You do realize it’s not illegal to get married without getting a marriage license, right?

 

[FreeinChrist]

You do realize it’s not illegal to get married without getting a marriage license, right?

A marriage without a license is not recognized as a legal marriage. It is like what homosexuals did - they 'married' but that to go to a lawyer and give each other power of attorney in case one becomes ill. Without a legal marriage, you can't take the tax breaks of married couple and it is hard for the spouse to get the benefits from the other's workplace. There is common law marriage in some places, but the couple needs to live together for 7 years before they are considered as a common law marriage.

The government can say that siblings cannot get married and that 1st cousins cannot get married. The government also has outlawed bigamy in all 50 states. The men of that Fundamentalist Mormon group in north Arizona only had 1 legal marriage and the rest were married in a church but not legally recognized.

 

[Adam56]

A marriage without a license is not recognized as a legal marriage. It is like what homosexuals did

Homosexuals did the reverse. They got a marriage that wasn’t recognized by God but was legally recognized.

 

[FreeinChrist]

Prior to SS marriage being legal, however, gay couples had to get legal power of attorney to handle of issues particularly of heaith, and life and death.