LCMS and Teaching of Demons

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I got this off of lcms.org


QUESION: Does The Lutheran Church—Missouri Synod hold an official position as to the existence of demonic possession? Does the LCMS retain the Rite of Exorcism as practiced in the Roman and Eastern Orthodox churches? Does the LCMS have special clergy assigned to this task?

ANSWER: The Lutheran Church—Missouri Synod certainly believes in the existence of Satan and of demonic beings, and individual LCMS pastors have participated from time to time in rites of exorcism.

The LCMS has no "official position" on "demonic possession," however, nor does it subscribe officially to any formal rite of exorcism or have "special clergy assigned to this task."
 
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Demons are real, and the LCMS recognises that. However, we also recognise that because of sin, our bodies are corrupted and prone to illness, which extends to mental illness.

So, it's wrong to say that whenever the Bible talks about demon possession it was really just mental illness. However, it's also wrong to say that all mental illness is demonic, for not all sickness is a result of the devil, but a general consequence of sin.

The Bible is true in all its accounts, and it gives us clear examples of demons speaking and our Lord casting out demons. However, there are perhaps two things worth bearing in mind, and that is:

1. At the time of Jesus and in His area, because He is our Saviour, it would follow that demon activity would cluster around Him in an effort to stop Him and confuse as many around Him as possible. This is what we see in the New Testament, that Satan and his evil angels worked against our Lord. Satan was personally present around our Lord and tempted Him in the wilderness at the beginning of His public ministry. (Matthew 4:1-11). However, our Lord overcame Satan, and defeated sin, death, and hell for us. So God be praised!

2. Many would say that demon activity in our day is rare. I don't think this is accurate. Our generation is regrettably influenced by Rationalism, so we have a strong tendency to shrug off the demonic and the occult as superstitious. This is wrong, and I think there are sadly many Pastors who are guilty of this, and probably even in the LCMS. But I do know that the LCMS as a church body and her faithful Pastors do acknowledge demons as real.

Maybe one last thought — The Bible talks about the demonic as a reality without explaining it in detail. I think there's a lesson to be learned in this, that we should treat it with seriousness but not seek after it or speculate on it, because the occult is like a hook that pulls you into all kinds of evil.
 
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No official rite; however, the Australian Lutheran Church does have one.
Historically, Lutherans would use the pre-reformation rite found in the Ritual Romanum.

The older forms of Catholic and Lutheran Baptism Rites contain what are called the greater and lesser exorcism I believe; the longer form in our service book agenda, still does. The Pastor commands the departure of evil spirits, and the person being baptized or their sponsors renounce the Devil and all his works. We use this rite in our parish.
 
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Demons are real, and the LCMS recognises that. However, we also recognise that because of sin, our bodies are corrupted and prone to illness, which extends to mental illness.

So, it's wrong to say that whenever the Bible talks about demon possession it was really just mental illness. However, it's also wrong to say that all mental illness is demonic, for not all sickness is a result of the devil, but a general consequence of sin.

The Bible is true in all its accounts, and it gives us clear examples of demons speaking and our Lord casting out demons. However, there are perhaps two things worth bearing in mind, and that is:

1. At the time of Jesus and in His area, because He is our Saviour, it would follow that demon activity would cluster around Him in an effort to stop Him and confuse as many around Him as possible. This is what we see in the New Testament, that Satan and his evil angels worked against our Lord. Satan was personally present around our Lord and tempted Him in the wilderness at the beginning of His public ministry. (Matthew 4:1-11). However, our Lord overcame Satan, and defeated sin, death, and hell for us. So God be praised!

2. Many would say that demon activity in our day is rare. I don't think this is accurate. Our generation is regrettably influenced by Rationalism, so we have a strong tendency to shrug off the demonic and the occult as superstitious. This is wrong, and I think there are sadly many Pastors who are guilty of this, and probably even in the LCMS. But I do know that the LCMS as a church body and her faithful Pastors do acknowledge demons as real.

Maybe one last thought — The Bible talks about the demonic as a reality without explaining it in detail. I think there's a lesson to be learned in this, that we should treat it with seriousness but not seek after it or speculate on it, because the occult is like a hook that pulls you into all kinds of evil.
About point #1 I agree and have read something similar about this another time, elsewhere.
 
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Demon possession can affect a person physically, ie cause someone to have a mental illness. We need to remember that sickness and death are a consequence of Adam's sin, so the two are linked. This is not to say that everyone with a mental illness is possessed anymore that sickness is necessarily a consequence of personal sin.
BTW, the LCMS performs an exorcism before every baptism, as is the custom of the universal apostolic church.

Back in Biblical times people were ignorant about mental illness and probably called those afflicted, “possessed by demons.” How does the LCMS explain this? The Bible is supposed to be free from error so how can this be?
 
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Demon possession can affect a person physically, ie cause someone to have a mental illness. We need to remember that sickness and death are a consequence of Adam's sin, so the two are linked. This is not to say that everyone with a mental illness is possessed anymore that sickness is necessarily a consequence of personal sin.
BTW, the LCMS performs an exorcism before every baptism, as is the custom of the universal apostolic church.
Yes, we do; and the Baptism itself is one also.
 
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I've been reading the Book of Concord and I'm happy to see Lutherans have a full and complete understanding of Satan and demons. They are mentioned throughout.

I'm now reading the paper about Demon possession and I'm surprised the family mentioned they converted to Catholicism. I'm only a few pages into the paper.

A study on Angels and Demons by Pastor Wolfmueller.

 
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I book I read last year is called "2000 Demons-no match for my Savior." It is available at nph.net (which is the book publishing arm of the WELS)and is written from a WELS (I believe) Lutheran perspective.
 
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I'm guessing the LCMS favor evaluation by mental health practitioners and don't eschew mainstream medicine, at least I would hope so.

As an ELCA Lutheran, I think it's an open question how we understand the stories of the demonic in the Bible, whether they are literal, or represent mental illness, or in some cases are merely symbolic. I know there is alot of interest lately in some circles in these types of things, but I don't think it's sober to focus on the demonic as an explanation for mental health problems or misfortune.
 
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I'm guessing the LCMS favor evaluation by mental health practitioners and don't eschew mainstream medicine, at least I would hope so.

As an ELCA Lutheran, I think it's an open question how we understand the stories of the demonic in the Bible, whether they are literal, or represent mental illness, or in some cases are merely symbolic. I know there is alot of interest lately in some circles in these types of things, but I don't think it's sober to focus on the demonic as an explanation for mental health problems or misfortune.
You are half right. Yes for evaluations, and no, the accounts in the Bible are actually litteral. If the Bible is the word of God, doubting the veracity of these accounts would be doubting God.
 
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You are half right. Yes for evaluations, and no, the accounts in the Bible are actually litteral. If the Bible is the word of God, doubting the veracity of these accounts would be doubting God.

We have different ideas about what "word of God" means. I take it only in a sacramental sense, not in the senes that everything in the Bible is scientifically or historically accurate.
 
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We have different ideas about what "word of God" means. I take it only in a sacramental sense, not in the senes that everything in the Bible is scientifically or historically accurate.
Are you ELCA, LCMS or something else? Never mind, I just read it.
 
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Are you ELCA, LCMS or something else? Never mind, I just read it.

ELCA.

In the ELCA, there are different approaches to the Bible. You will find a minority that would agree the Bible is the literal world of God and inerrant in all matters, but it's more common among the laity than the clergy.
 
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Source: Popular Commentary, by Paul E. Kretzmann

DEMONIAC POSSESSION.

Concerning possession by demoniacs and its healing we have reports only in the first three gospels, while John makes no mention of these miracles of Jesus. It is peculiar, also, that the narratives of the healing of people possessed with evil spirits are confined to the ministry of Christ in Galilee. In all accounts there is no instance of a miracle of this kind during the last part of the Lord's life, in Judea. Mark, who gives the most complete account of these healings, mentions four cases: the healing of the demoniac in the synagog of Capernaum, 1, 23-27; Luke 4; the healing of the Gadarene, 5, 1-13; Matt. 8; Luke 8; the daughter of the Syrophenician woman, 7, 24-30; Matt. 15; the healing of the boy with the dumb spirit, whose father had first brought him to the disciples. a lunatic, 9,17-29; Matt. 17; Luke 9. Mark also, besides mentioning the fact that Jesus cast out many devils, 1, 34, speaks of the healing of Mary Magdalene, from whom the Lord cast out seven devils, 16, 9. Details of this healing are not given in the Scriptures. The other evangelists mention or describe the following cases: the healing of the dumb man that was possessed with a devil, Matt. 9, 32. 33; the healing of one possessed with a devil, blind, and dumb, Matt. 12, 22; the healing of the woman that had a spirit of infirmity eighteen years, and was bowed together, and could in no wise lift up herself, Luke 13, 11.

In many cases the details are not given. "He suffered not the devils to speak," Mark 1, 34; "He cast out devils," 1, 39; "unclean spirits fell down before Him," 3,11. 12. We are told also that the Lord gave His disciples power over unclean spirits, Mark 6, 7, and that the latter cast out many devils, v. 13. The seventy returned with the report that even the devils were subject to them through the Lord's name, Luke 10, 17; and Christ gave His disciples the final promise, before His ascension: "In My name shall they cast out devils," Mark 16, 17.

In general, it may be said that in all these cases only such symptoms are named as are found also in the case of the usual sicknesses: deaf, dumb, blind, epileptic, lame, and insane. But there are three points which plainly distinguish the cases mentioned in the gospels from ordinary diseases with similar symptoms: 1) They say things which they cannot possibly know in the natural order of things, namely, that Jesus is the Son of the most high God, that He is the Son of God, etc.; 2) they possess supernatural strength, they cannot be held with chains and fetters; 3) in the case of the Gadarene demoniacs, they caused the whole herd of swine to cast themselves into the sea.

In addition to this, it should be noted that Mark distinguishes the demoniacs from the ordinary sick people by the words: "He healed many that were sick of divers diseases, and cast out many devils," 1, 34, and: "They brought unto Him all that were diseased, and them that were possessed with devils," v. 32. It would therefore not be correct to say that these demoniacs were simply ill, and that the devil had received permission from God to transmit to them a special disease, as in the case of Job. The healing of demoniacs implied more than that. It meant actually that people were possessed by evil spirits that tormented them in some peculiar fashion, made them ill, caused them to do and say things which they would not have thought of otherwise, and in other ways vented their spite on them, and that Jesus drove these spirits out.

In regard to the question whether this peculiar malady, possession of evil spirits, is still found in our days, and especially, whether this is true in individual cases, it is best to hold opinion and judgment in abeyance. People have confessed in some cases that they could actually feel the power of the devil, who also tormented them in their body in a most excruciating manner. But we have no Scriptural ground for assuming the existence of this form of disease in our days. But that is true and cannot be denied, that Satan takes possession of the heart and mind of man, makes him spiritually blind, dead, and an enemy of God. He has his constant work in the children of unbelief, and also makes use of every opportunity to hurt and harm us in our body and in our earthly possessions, in so far as God permits this, either as a divine punishment or as a fatherly chastisement. 21) end quote​
 
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