how does devout christians justify voting Democrat?

[ml5363]

Since dems are ok with several things that are against bible

 

[Cimorene]

The exact same question has been asked about Republicans.

 

[ml5363]

Repub are usually against abortion, transgendered gay,multiple spouse, child out of wedlock , etc

 

[Cimorene]

Repub are usually against abortion, transgendered gay,multiple spouse, child out of wedlock , etc

Like I said, the same question has been asked about Republicans: http://www.christianforums.com/threads/how-can-catholics-vote-for-trump.7937384/

Trump is twice divorced. That's wrong according to the Bible too. He's changed his position on abortion, so who knows. Isn't Arnold Schwarzenegger a Republican? Didn't he have a child out of wedlock? They might say they're against all that to appeal to voters but sometimes their actions don't match up.

 

[Kersh]

The United States is not a theocracy, so it is not the responsibility of government to enforce the Bible. In other words, just because something is immoral doesn't mean that it should necessarily be legislated by the government. In regard to social issues, the various political parties take somewhat different stances on which moral values should be legislated. I tend toward the view that government exists to protect life, liberty, and property, so any act of government that is not aimed at one of those goals is improper. Republicans and Democrats hold different views on the role of government. Neither of them seem to hold the view that the government's job is to impose Christian morality on the populace.

 

[Thursday]

Since dems are ok with several things that are against bible

They value their political positions more than their faith.

 

[Thursday]

Like I said, the same question has been asked about Republicans: http://www.christianforums.com/threads/how-can-catholics-vote-for-trump.7937384/

Trump is twice divorced. .

Does Trump claim that divorce is a good thing?

 

[Thunder Peel]

They value their political positions more than their faith.

Sad but true. It seems that government has become their god and that's where their hope truly lies. Our faith should dictate how we vote, not the other way around.

 

[Kersh]

They value their political positions more than their faith.

I am trying to figure out where in the Bible it suggests that a secular government should prohibit any particular immoral activity. In fact, Romans 13, which was written under a government that was not only tolerant of grave immorality, but itself was actively persecuting the church, seems to suggest otherwise.

 

[Thursday]

I am trying to figure out where in the Bible it suggests that a secular government should prohibit any particular immoral activity. In fact, Romans 13, which was written under a government that was not only tolerant of grave immorality, but itself was actively persecuting the church, seems to suggest otherwise.

Christians were less than 1% of the population.

Christians should not support the killing of innocent life.

 

[tulc]

Since dems are ok with several things that are against bible

It might help to think of it like this: Christians answer to God not to the Democrat or Republican Partys. Which ever Party you think best represents the things you want is who you should vote for, that's why I stopped voting Republican in the 80's and switched to Democrat.
tulc(hopes that helps)

 

[Thunder Peel]

It might help to think of it like this: Christians answer to God not to the Democrat or Republican Partys. Which ever Party you think best represents the things you want is who you should vote for, that's why I stopped voting Republican in the 80's and switched to Democrat.
tulc(hopes that helps)

But God will hold us accountable for how we vote. If someone votes for a candidate who is in favor of homosexuality then I can't see God being too happy about that. Neither party is perfect but there are some things the Democrats support that outright defy what Scripture says. I think the OP is curious how you can reconcile that.

 

[Cimorene]

Does Trump claim that divorce is a good thing?

Actions speak louder than words. Especially for Trump since he lies so much.

 

[Kersh]

Christians were less than 1% of the population.

And, that is relevant in what way? America is a secular and increasingly non-Christian nation. The Bible nowhere even hints that a secular government should promote Christian morality. The Bible offers no guidance as to how Christians should vote in a democracy. So, I think you are presuming too much in stating that people who vote differently than you do, "value their political positions more than their faith."

Christians should not support the killing of innocent life.

I agree, and personally I support laws designed to curb the abortion rate, even to the point of criminalizing abortion. But, I know some very sincere Christians who have put a lot of thought into the issue and come to a different conclusion. I wouldn't say that these Christians "support the killing of innocent life." I'd say that they have a different view of the government's role in legislating the issue of abortion.

 

[jimmyjimmy]

Republicans and Democrats hold different views on the role of government. Neither of them seem to hold the view that the government's job is to impose Christian morality on the populace.

All laws are moral laws. God's intended purpose for government IS to impose morality. It's only a matter of who's (in the US).

 

[Kersh]

All laws are moral laws. God's intended purpose for government IS to impose morality. It's only a matter of who's (in the US).

At one time I believed that as well. But, the more I know of law and the more I know of Scripture the more I am convinced that that is wrong. The essence of Paul's teachings, throughout his epistles, especially in Romans and Galatians, is that law is powerless to bring about goodness. Now, in Paul's context, he was talking about God's law.. But, if that is true of God's law, which is perfect, how much more true is it of human law, which is flawed? Human law exists to provide a sense of order so that a society can function most effectively. If cannot, does not, and should not, seek to punish every immoral act, and it should punish no act solely on the basis of morality. Rather, the purpose of human law is to ensure that individuals within a society can act within the society in a manner that is beneficial to themselves and to others. In short, the role of the government is to enact laws that protect each person's life and safety, their liberty, and their property, and to provide the basic infrastructure needed for each person within the society to live relatively safely, freely, and prosperously.

 

[jimmyjimmy]

At one time I believed that as well. But, the more I know of law and the more I know of Scripture the more I am convinced that that is wrong. The essence of Paul's teachings, throughout his epistles, especially in Romans and Galatians, is that law is powerless to bring about goodness. Now, in Paul's context, he was talking about God's law.. But, if that is true of God's law, which is perfect, how much more true is it of human law, which is flawed? Human law exists to provide a sense of order so that a society can function most effectively. If cannot, does not, and should not, seek to punish every immoral act, and it should punish no act solely on the basis of morality. Rather, the purpose of human law is to ensure that individuals within a society can act within the society in a manner that is beneficial to themselves and to others. In short, the role of the government is to enact laws that protect each person's life and safety, their liberty, and their property, and to provide the basic infrastructure needed for each person within the society to live relatively safely, freely, and prosperously.

They law restrains in non-Christians in a different way. It does not create righteousness. It keep people in line by fear of punishment. It works.

 

[Kersh]

They law restrains in non-Christians in a different way. It does not create righteousness.

But the question we're exploring here is what is it intended to restrain? Immoral conduct? Or conduct that impairs others from enjoying their life, liberty, and property? Or something else entirely?

It keep people in line by fear of punishment. It works.

As someone who works with felons on a daily basis, I must strongly, but respectfully disagree.

 

[imind]

*sigh* some of you need to decide if you want religious freedom or not. the only way to achieve that is through a secular government that will ensure no one religion/sect is making all the rules.

 

[AionPhanes]

Since dems are ok with several things that are against bible

They value their political positions more than their faith.

Repub are usually against abortion, transgendered gay,multiple spouse, child out of wedlock , etc

Are those the only issues the Bible discusses or that the government might legislate about?

The Bible never condemns multiple spouses (and since when was legalizing it a plank of the Democratic party for that matter?**). At best the Bible might obliquely reference something pertinent to the issue of abortion. Can't find anything in it about transgender. It makes (possibly) one or two statements that relate to gay sex explicitly. Those are hardly the key issues of the Bible. It does talk a lot about justice for the poor and oppressed and treating strangers in your land well and all that though.

** Isn't it usually conservative Republican (fundamentalist) Mormons who go for that?