According to
Apostles' Creed:
Oxford Dictionaries:
I don't think Jesus descended into hell in Oxford's sense. See
Where was Jesus between his death and resurrection?. Some churches decided to
change the phraseology:
Jesus descended to
the heart of the earth.
Also, I would replace "one holy catholic church" with "one holy church."
The soul is immortal and sentient. If it wasn't Jesus wouldn't have said things that will be discussed in this post.
First Order Logic. Jesus is the very Presence of God, therefore "it is certain" that "if" He even insinuated that the Soul is immortal and capable of being sentient outside the body, that the Soul "is indeed" immortal.
I am certain of this not by personal pet theology, but because of God Incarnate's very own words. Jesus didn't just ENTER Sheol (The scripturally referenced Place of the Dead) and break sentient souls from the grasp of Satan, but He prophesied He would do that very thing in one of His most riveting statements involving one of the most potent words in scripture.
Mark 3:22 The
Torah-teachers who came down from Yerushalayim said, “He has
Ba‘al-Zibbul in him,” and “It is by
the ruler of the demons that he expels the demons.” 23 But he called them and spoke to them in parables: “
How can Satan expel Satan? 24
If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom can’t survive; 25 and if a household is divided against itself, that household can’t survive. 26 So if Satan has rebelled against himself and is divided, he can’t survive either; and that’s the end of him. 27
Furthermore, no one can break into a strong man’s house and make off with his possessions unless he first ties up the strong man. After that, he can ransack his house. 28 Yes! I tell you that people will be forgiven all sins and whatever blasphemies they utter; 29 however, someone who blasphemes against the
Ruach HaKodesh never has forgiveness but is guilty of an eternal sin.” 30 For they had been saying, “He has an unclean spirit in him.”
Okay, Ba' al, the Pegan name for the Highest Pagen god. al-Zibbul, Of the Flies. Satan is the "god of death", because where ever death is, flies will surely be buzzing. Now, Jesus slips in a prophecy, while He is lambasting the Teachers of the Torah in the only passage of scripture where Jesus does this. (I was kidding about the only passage of scripture thing).
Jesus is literally saying that the KEYS of Death (AKA to the Realm of The Dead) are about to become HIS.
(
Revelation 1:8) I am He that liveth, and was dead; and behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen,
and have the keys of hell and of death.
Who had those keys before? (
Hebrews 2:14) His death might destroy the one who has the power of DEATH - The devil. <- Ba'al-Zibbul
How did Jesus get those keys? The first part of
Hebrews 2:14 reveals this.
Now since the children have flesh and blood in common, Jesus also shared in these, so that through His death He might destroy the one holding the power of death—that is, the Devil
The Strong Man in Mark 3 is Satan. Jesus BOUND SATAN (
Jude 1:6) at Golgotha.
Jude 1:6 And the angels who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their proper dwelling—
these he has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great Day
It is immediately after the ascension that Jesus has Michael cast Satan and his Angels down to this earth, where they are CHAINED in the Darkness of this Dying Earth that awaits Jesus Christ's PHYSICAL Return.
Revelation 12:5 But she gave birth to a Son—a male who is going to shepherd all nations with an iron scepter—and her child was caught up to God and to His throne. 6 ....... 7 Then war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon. The dragon and his angels also fought, 8 but he could not prevail, and there was no place for them in heaven any longer. 9 So the great dragon was thrown out—the ancient serpent, who is called the Devil and Satan, the one who deceives the whole world. He was thrown to earth, and his angels with him.
Okay, but what about where the HOLY SPIRIT (VERY SOUL) of Jesus Christ was when Jesus Christ was Made Dead in the Realm of the Living? Jesus and His Father Share the Same Identical SOUL. "Do you not believe that MY Father is IN ME, as I am IN MY FATHER?" HOLY GHOST, HOLY SPIRIT, HOLY SOUL..... "Do you not believe that (The very Soul of my Father) is IN ME, as (The Very Soul of ME) is in MY Father?
Now look at Mark, again....
Mark 3:28 however, someone who blasphemes against the
Ruach HaKodesh never has forgiveness but is guilty of an eternal sin.” 30
For they had been saying, “He has an unclean spirit (Pneuma / SOUL) in him.” Acts 5:32 N-ANS GRK: καὶ τὸ
πνεῦμα τὸ ἅγιον
NAS: and [so is] the Holy Spirit, whom
KJV: [so is] also
the Holy Ghost, whom God
Don't get hung up on the fact that Soul in Hebrew is Spirit in Greek and all that Jazz. This is simple. Spirit of God, The Father is Spirit. Body of God - The Son (Messenger of YHWH with the name of YHWH written within Him). That Leaves THE SOUL. God is Infinite. I'm pretty certain that I'm susceptible to mob violence at this moment, but I'm working up for my study in Hebrews and this was the best place to do it.
I'm handing over a "pearl" here! Someone who blasphemes against the Ruach HaKodesh is blaspheming against the FATHER, BECAUSE The Father and the Son... SHARE the SAME Soul! Father - Spirit, Son - Body, Ruach HaKodesh - HOLY SOUL of GOD! Ofcoarse God is Three! But, Hear oh Israel, do you not know that The LORD YOUR GOD, Who's VERY IMAGE (LIKENESS) that you are made in, is UNE.
I was hoping you may have already looked into this on your "Trinity" Thread when I tried to lightly broach the matter with purposefully stuttering words. Before you think I'm nuts, go back to all of your questions in scripture about the VERY Mysteries involving the Being of God and see if the "Spiritual Theorem" answers them. Please, at least test it in scripture before you lean on your own understanding on the matter. I'm willing to suggest that it won't fail you. Why? Because I'm too dumb to think it up... and that's all I will say about the matter.
Did Jesus and the Apostles Believe in Ghosts? (Immortal disembodied sentient souls)
Matthew 24:26 When the disciples saw him walking on the lake, they were terrified. “It’s a
ghost,” they said, and cried out in fear.
Mark 6:49 but when they saw him walking on the lake, they thought he was
a ghost. They cried out,
Again.... PHANTASMA
Strong's Concordance
phantasma: an appearance, apparition
Original Word: φάντασμα, ατος, τό
Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter
Transliteration: phantasma
Phonetic Spelling: (fan'-tas-mah)
Definition: an appearance, apparition
Usage: an apparition, ghost, spirit, phantom.
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First order Logic, did Jesus or the Holy Spirit at any time ever suggest that "This belief is a lie", in scripture?
Luke 24:39 Look at My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself! Touch Me and see, because
a ghost does not have flesh and bones as you can see I have.”
First order Logic, did Jesus say, "why do you believe in the false idea of the Immortal, disembodied soul?"
Is Jesus an author of confusion? Do or do not His words carry the HIGHEST theological weight?
Let's go a step further. Did Jesus insinuate that there is a realm of sentient disembodied Souls?
Luke 16:22 “The time came when
the beggar died and
the angels carried him to Abraham’s side.
The rich man also died and was buried.
The Beggar dies and his corpse most likely was found and disposed of because he was too poor to afford a grave. Remember, first order Logic, there's the Grave... which the KJV improperly translates Sheol to.
The Rich Man dies and was buried. (GRAVE) NOT SHEOL.
The Beggar is "Carried to Abraham's side"... and this PARABLE is being told before Jesus died, so why not HEAVEN?
Hebrews 11:39 These were all commended for their faith,
yet none of them received what had been promised, 40 since God had planned something better for us so that only
together with us would they be made perfect.
Hebrews gives the answer. Yes, I'm saying that Jesus Jail Broke Sentient souls form SHEOL which in no way is a metaphor for the GRAVE.
23 In Hades, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side.
Here the Greek equivalent for Sheol is used and we see that the Pharisee is Tormented and Jealous that Lazarus is living in the good part of the Realm of the Dead.
24
So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.’
The Pharisee sees that Lazarus is at Spiritual Peace, while the Pharisee is full of horrible anguish and asks if Lazarus can simply give him a drop of the Peace that he witnesses within Lazarus.
25 “But Abraham replied, ‘
Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now
he is comforted here and you are in agony.
Abraham is revealing to the Pharisee that he had recognition, wealth and the rewards of being a selfish hard hearted man that was perceived as Righteous in the Flesh to others. He then points out that Lazarus was simple and lowly, thus poor and spited by many in his life. Abraham politely tells the Pharisee that his inner agony isn't a thing to be washed away. There is only true Spiritual peace available to the POOR OF SPIRIT, the MEAK, the BROKEN HEARTED.
26 And besides all this, between us and
you a great chasm has been set in place, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.’
The Pharisee is convicted in his Heart and has repented. Yet there is no way to go from the bad side to the good side, not to mention that Abraham is stuck in a nice place, within Sheol, yet not HOME, yet.
27 “He answered,
‘Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my family, 28 for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’
This unknown dead Pharisee is convicted and asks that somehow the GENTILES who are HUNGRY for JESUS (Lazarus is also a metaphor for Gentile nations) can go and witness to his Hard Hearted Torah teaching brothers... so that they do not live with the inner anguish that the unknown Pharisee is living with. The REPENTANT Pharisee is also asking for a DEAD Soul to go in GHOSTLY form to convict his Stone Hearted brethren of... THE GOSPEL of Jesus Christ (Living Water)... as he sees it's results manifested in the Peace within Lazarus.
29 “Abraham replied,
‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.’
Jesus was foretold in Torah, but the pride of his 5 brothers is too great for them to see it.
30
“‘No, father Abraham,’ he said, ‘but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.’
Now, in this place of the dead, The repentant Pharisee is begging that Lazarus, the saved meek man that is a literal occurrence in Sheol and a figurative prophecy of the Gentiles to come... go and witness to his hard hearted kin. This is a picture of unbelieving Israel and believing Israel that gives up it's identity to be part of THE BODY OF CHRIST. It is also a picture of a soul in Sheol Repenting. Yet, make no mistake, I'm certain that this is a real occurrence and that a certain CHARLES DICKENS understood the deep message within the messages within messages of the MESSAGE of THE LIVING WORD.
31 “He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’”
These 5 didn't BELIEVE in Jesus when HE was right in front of them. I assure you, the one brother here, REPENTED before the HOLY SPIRIT of CHRIST when He entered Sheol... and found salvation. I know this, in my soul. Can I prove it? Not exactly, but I can imagine how the AUTHOR of Love WHO desired that none should be lost and ALL come to repentance would have handled this.
There's a new batch waiting in Sheol. Some will arise to Glory and others to Shame.
Luke 23:46 Jesus called out with a loud voice, “Father, into your hands I commit my spirit.” When he had said this, he breathed his last.
Now, Jesus is telling His Father, after having been Spiritually Cut off from HIM, IN OUR PLACE (Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?)... That The Father alone is HIS Judge... and BOOOOOOOMMMMM
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