LoveofTruth
Christ builds His church from within us
Ok, Ill have to answer more detailed. Just a bit busy now hopefully later Lord willing.Why not answer the question better? It seems you are avoiding it.
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Ok, Ill have to answer more detailed. Just a bit busy now hopefully later Lord willing.Why not answer the question better? It seems you are avoiding it.
. I'm not one of those individuals that promotes a false water regeneration.
and we hopefully can agree that this is not born of water referring to water baptism.That comes from the Catholic Church, as their bible teaches that you are born again ="BY Water".
without the shedding of blood there is no remission. Johns water baptism was a figure one of the many in the Ot. The Jordan river typifies decending unto death and rising into the new land following Christ or in the type the arc and Joshua.So, that is why its called "baptismal regeneration", and that is why you'll hear this... "water washes away your sin".
without the shedding of blood there is no remission. Johns water baptism was a figure one of the many in the OT.
By Covenant (and Law), circumcision defines a Jew. By the same token, baptism may define a Christian who is a follower of Christ. You may skip it only when Jesus deems it fit. It is so because the whole Judgment of Covenant is a subjective judgment by a fair and just God. The Judgment of Law on the other hand, is an objective judgment. To simply put, you need to be baptized as required by the Covenant. However, if Jesus sees that you have a good reason to skip it, then you are fine.
So preaching "not to be baptized" is a dangerous act where your conscience (or the lack thereof) allows you to risk others' life or death.
That being said. A prophet is for God to put words in his mouth. By the same token, Peter may speak correctly when filled with the Spirit. Plus there's not a defined timing when Peter was awaken. He as a legit apostle, is subject to God instead of Paul.
Are you saying that Paul " WAS not Legit " ? And do you have a verse for that assumption ?By Covenant (and Law), circumcision defines a Jew. By the same token, baptism may define a Christian who is a follower of Christ. You may skip it only when Jesus deems it fit. It is so because the whole Judgment of Covenant is a subjective judgment by a fair and just God. The Judgment of Law on the other hand, is an objective judgment. To simply put, you need to be baptized as required by the Covenant. However, if Jesus sees that you have a good reason to skip it, then you are fine.
So preaching "not to be baptized" is a dangerous act where your conscience (or the lack thereof) allows you to risk others' life or death.
That being said. A prophet is for God to put words in his mouth. By the same token, Peter may speak correctly when filled with the Spirit. Plus there's not a defined timing when Peter was awaken. He as a legit apostle, is subject to God instead of Paul.
It is written in the prophets, ‘And they shall all be taught by God.’ Therefore everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to Me. John 6:45Reader,
There are some who teach that the "Gospel" is : Acts 2:38. Now let me show you a few things..
A.) Paul's gospel...>"The Gospel of the GRACE OF GOD" that is the "preaching of the Cross of Christ". Now how do you know that Peter didnt know anything about the "Gospel of the Grace of God in Acts 2"? Its because Peter didnt know that Gentiles could be saved, until 10 yrs after Jesus is back in Heaven. So, if you dont KNOW that Jews and Gentiles can both be saved, then you dont understand God's Salvation, according to how PAUL was sent to teach it, by Revelation from JESUS Himself.
Not to split hairs about who came to understand the grace of God in truth first,Read Acts of the Apostles... Chapter 10, written a decade after Jesus is back in Heaven., and discover that Peter didnt know that Gentiles could be saved... YET.. SO....= God had to give Peter a vision, to cause Him to UNDERSTAND this about Gentiles.
So, You can't preach the true Gospel, that includes GENTILES being saved.... if you dont yet know it. And that is why Acts 2:38, is NOT The Gospel....It was in Acts 15, that Peter learned what Paul knew, that Paul learned from Jesus, and from that point, all the Apostles understood "Paul's Gospel of the Grace of God" that is not related to water baptism.
Not to split hairs about who came to understand the grace of God in truth first,
but it was revealed to Peter by the Father, (Matthew 16:16-17) Son and Holy Spirit, (Matt 28:19)
It was stated by another poster that Peter came to understand the gospel through Paul in Acts 15,If it was revealed to Peter at that moment, then his reaction to Cornelius at Acts 10 would have been irrational.
It was stated by another poster that Peter came to understand the gospel through Paul in Acts 15,
but as we know he was already proclaiming that the gift of the Spirit is granted though faith in Christ in Acts 2:38.
It was stated by another poster that Peter came to understand the gospel through Paul in Acts 15,
but as we know he was already proclaiming that the gift of the Spirit is granted though faith in Christ in Acts 2:38.
The account in Acts 10 in which he perceived that it was for both Jew and Gentile, was also by divine revelation.
Then Peter opened his mouth and said: “In truth I perceive that God shows no partiality. But in every nation whoever fears Him and works righteousness is accepted by Him. You know the word which God sent to the children of Israel, preaching peace through Jesus Christ—He is Lord of all— Acts 10:34-36
He commanded us to preach to the people, and to testify that it is He who was ordained by God to be Judge of the living and the dead.
To Him all the prophets witness that, through His name, whoever believes in Him will receive remission of sins.”
The Gift of the Holy Spirit was poured on the Gentiles
While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit was poured on all those who heard the word. Acts 10:42-44
Again in Acts 11,
Peter Defends God’s Grace (NKJV)
If therefore God gave them the same gift as He gave us when we believed on the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I that I could withstand God?”
When they heard these things they became silent; and they glorified God, saying, “Then God has also granted to the Gentiles repentance to life.” Acts 11:15-18
Peter received the Spirit in Acts 2. Stubborn folks resist the Spirit and are uncircumcised in heart; They neither hear nor see.I take it you are using the "Peter was stubborn and refuse to accept the change until Acts 15" reasoning?
Peter received the Spirit in Acts 2. Stubborn folks resist the Spirit and are uncircumcised in heart; They neither hear nor see.
Wait for the promised Spirit, Acts 1:4
Therefore being exalted to the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, He poured out this which you now see and hear. Acts 2:33
And again in Acts 15,
Peter rose up and said to them: “Men and brethren, you know that a good while ago God chose among us, that by my mouth the Gentiles should hear the word of the gospel and believe. So God, who knows the heart, acknowledged them by giving them the Holy Spirit, just as He did to us, and made no distinction between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith. Acts 15:7-9
You didn't have a question, you just assumed and you know what happens when you assume.Is your answer to my question yes or no?
Your speculation was that Peter "refused to accept the change until Acts 15" while ignoring that he received the promised Spirit in Acts 2,Is your answer to my question yes or no?
Your speculation was that Peter "refused to accept the change until Acts 15" while ignoring that he received the promised Spirit in Acts 2,
But Peter and the other apostles answered and said: “We ought to obey God rather than men. The God of our fathers raised up Jesus whom you murdered by hanging on a tree. Him God has exalted to His right hand to be Prince and Savior, to give repentance to Israel and forgiveness of sins. 32 And we are His witnesses to these things, and so also is the Holy Spirit whom God has given to those who obey Him.” Acts 5:29-32
If it was revealed to Peter at that moment (Matthew 28 or Acts 2), then his reaction to Cornelius at Acts 10 would have been irrational.
My original point was to you was this
It was addressed:If it was revealed to Peter at that moment (Matthew 28 or Acts 2), then his reaction to Cornelius at Acts 10 would have been irrational.
To those who have obtained like precious faith with us by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ: Grace and peace ...2 Peter 1:1-3... as we know he was already proclaiming that the gift of the Spirit is granted though faith in Christ in Acts 2:38.
The account in Acts 10 in which he perceived that it was for both Jew and Gentile, was also by divine revelation.
Then Peter opened his mouth and said: “In truth I perceive that God shows no partiality. But in every nation whoever fears Him and works righteousness is accepted by Him. You know the word which God sent to the children of Israel, preaching peace through Jesus Christ—He is Lord of all— Acts 10:34-36
It was addressed: