SC Senate Passes Bill Banning Affirmative Care For Minors

rjs330 · May 14, 2024

Pommer said:
So kids in the USA will have to travel to Europe to get the care that they (may) need?
How nice for those who can afford that!

Well, they would have to be accepted into the program first. Don't forget that only a few actually get into the programs. Just because a child says they are trans doesn't mean they get into the research program.

The US has no such research programs and should. But they won't as long as they keep the Affirmative Care Model. Once they ditch that, then maybe a research clinic will open up. Just remember just because there is one doesn't mean every child who says they are trans will be accepted. The rest will just have to undergo therapy until they are 18.

KCfromNC · May 14, 2024

rjs330 said:
Are the so called experts immune to bias or error?

No knowledge is 100% perfect. We can't prove we're not simply simulations in a computer game. Despite that, we don't see people taking extraordinary risks because of this remote possibility that if they die they'll just be reset in the next game.

So what do we do instead with the understanding that no knowledge is 100% perfect? Well, there are whole academic field which try and figure it out. But pragmatically, we do the best with what we have, despite the nagging feeling that maybe there's a remote chance that whatever we do (or don't do), we're still occasionally make mistakes. What other choice is there? Lock ourselves in a dark room and never come leave?

rjs330 said:
Are you also claiming that the only people questioning research surrounding this issue are biased non-experts?

I was addressing a line of thought here which claimed that because some doctors two generations ago thought smoking was OK we should question the direction of current medical research.

KCfromNC · May 14, 2024

RileyG said:
Well said. People are fallible.

Including the people in the OP who want to use the force of government to take away medical choices for parents?

KCfromNC · May 14, 2024

rjs330 said:
I have yet to hear a cogent answer to that question from the left on this issue.

How about from medical professionals?

KCfromNC · May 14, 2024

rjs330 said:
That's absolutely true. I've seen enough interviews with therapists or endocrinologist that prove that point.

rjs330 said:
Are the so called experts immune to bias or error?

.

SavedByGrace3 · May 14, 2024

Pommer said:
They can still do “gender affirming” therapies on children, in South Carolina, so long as that care and those drugs/surgeries “affirm” the apparent biological sex of the patient.

Transgender kids just ceased to “exist” as potential patients, by law.

They just get routed to the correct Drs.
We do not let them go to the Dr Mengeles in this world.
How about sending a "multiple personality kid" to a "multiple personality doctor" who will perform "multiple personality affirming surgery" on him and add several new heads on his shoulders so his body will match his malady?
Sometimes I think people do not listen to what they are saying....

SavedByGrace3 · May 14, 2024

So many procedures in the past that we are happy are no longer performed.
Five Medical Procedures We're Glad No Longer Exist

https://blogs.loc.gov/headlinesandheroes/2022/04/10-strange-medical-practices-from-history/

Is anyone up for a little bloodletting?

BCP1928 · May 14, 2024

rjs330 said:
You first have to prove that gender is separate from sex.

I don't have to prove anything of the kind.

rjs330 said:
No one has been able to prove gender exists, prove what it is. It can't be tested or measured in any way. It can't be shown how a man can be a male sex but a female gender. What does he have to do exactly in order to be a female gender?

He has to exhibit spontaneous emotional and behavioral traits which we ordinarily associate with females.

RileyG · May 14, 2024

KCfromNC said:
Including the people in the OP who want to use the force of government to take away medical choices for parents?

Medical choices? Trans surgery is not a medical choice, it's cosmetic surgery. I will reiterate what I said before. Children go through phrases. What if they truly aren't transgendered but groomed and manipulated by their parents? That's not right.

Belk · May 14, 2024

RileyG said:
Medical choices? Trans surgery is not a medical choice, it's cosmetic surgery. I will reiterate what I said before. Children go through phrases. What if they truly aren't transgendered but groomed and manipulated by their parents? That's not right.

Be sure to let Rick Colby know you know his son better then he does.

https://search-prod.lis.state.oh.us/cm_pub_api/api/unwrap/general_assembly_135/chamber/135th_ga/ready_for_publication/committee_docs/cmte_h_pub_health_policy_1/testimony/cmte_h_pub_health_policy_1_2023-05-24-0930_557/hb68_colby_opponent.pdf

love my son dearly, just as I know many of you with children do yours. I’m a
Republican, a Christian and as anti-woke as you can get. My son is also Christian and
is transgender.

I watch the “debate” about transgender people and
attempts to ban gender-affirming care and I’m appalled. The people wanting to ban
gender-affirming care have no idea what it is like to be transgender or to have a
transgender child.
This is not something that is done on a whim. It is a deep-rooted dysphoria that, yes,
even has spiritual elements to it.
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Ana the Ist · May 14, 2024

Pommer said:
So kids in the USA will have to travel to Europe to get the care that they (may) need?
How nice for those who can afford that!

Much of Europe...like the UK and France, as well as parts of Scandinavia like Sweden...have banned Affirmative Care including puberty blockers, hormones, and surgery for children.

Ana the Ist · May 14, 2024

BCP1928 said:
He has to exhibit spontaneous emotional and behavioral traits which we ordinarily associate with females.

Go ahead and tell us what those are?

BCP1928 · May 14, 2024

Ana the Ist said:
Go ahead and tell us what those are?

That is a daring rhetorical move on your part so I will allow you the courtesy of listing them for yourself. I'll give you one: a disinclination to engage in contact sports. Many girls enjoy and are successful at rough sport. However, it is considered more usual and acceptable for them to avoid such activities and cheer the men on from the sidelines. That, at least, is a popular stereotype. If it is a boy who is markedly avoiding such activities, he is regarded as "girly."

RileyG · May 14, 2024

Belk said:
Be sure to let Rick Colby know you know his son better then he does.

https://search-prod.lis.state.oh.us/cm_pub_api/api/unwrap/general_assembly_135/chamber/135th_ga/ready_for_publication/committee_docs/cmte_h_pub_health_policy_1/testimony/cmte_h_pub_health_policy_1_2023-05-24-0930_557/hb68_colby_opponent.pdf

I never stated that. Rather, some parents, emphasis on some, can manipulate their children.

If he wants to call his *daughter a he, that’s his choice.

I cannot and will not accept transgender ideology. I have my own convictions.

I respect your right to disagree.

It’s all good.

RileyG · May 14, 2024

Ana the Ist said:
Much of Europe...like the UK and France, as well as parts of Scandinavia like Sweden...have banned Affirmative Care including puberty blockers, hormones, and surgery for children.

Good! Happy to hear that!

It’s not care. It’s mutilation.

rjs330 · May 14, 2024

rjs330 said:
This once again shows your ignorance on the topic. Not a single person here has made that claim. Here's how it goes. Girl walks into a clinic and says I'm trans. I'm really a boy. In short order because clinicians affirm her as being trans she is given puberty blockers. Then after a few weeks or months she is given hormones. All medicalizing her. By the time she's 16 (in most places) she is now far along the road towards living as a male because no one has assessed her and now receives a mastectomy. Effectively from the start she is transformed immediately to a boy which she thinks she is and has been told she is. It's a pathway created by the trans activists through WPATH.

rjs330 · May 14, 2024

KCfromNC said:
So what do we do instead with the understanding that no knowledge is 100% perfect? Well, there are whole academic field which try and figure it out.

First you look at the source. Therapists and medical professionals do not automatically know what to do or how to handle this. So they look to experts to teach them and tell them the path they should take, the treatments they should use. The experts tell the doctors they gave all this research behind them that show the best methods and why it is important to implement them. So the doctors trust them to lead them to best practices to implement them.

But it's a rigged game. The experts we have discovered are 100% biased. They have been giving the doctors information that is based upon, as Ana likes to put it, pseudoscience quackery. The best practices turned out to be propagated from biased activists with a satchel load of garbage they called research.

If we are honest with ourselves we would immediately do what Europe has done and ebd this model immediately because the source was rotten. That's what we do. Then we open a research facility with the strictest of controls to do real research with the understanding that not every child who claims to be trans will get in. Only a few and the research will go on for years. The rest of the kids will utilize non Affirnative therapies to work through all the mental health issues or other issues that are leading them down the pathway to believe they are trans. I am willing to bet that 99% of those will stop believing they are trans. The remains 1% will go on as adults and transition and many if them will realize later it was a terrible mistake. We are seeing that now. In places where therapy first is being used they are having good results as therapists are finding the real issues and helping kids through them.

rjs330 · May 14, 2024

Ana the Ist said:
Much of Europe...like the UK and France, as well as parts of Scandinavia like Sweden...have banned Affirmative Care including puberty blockers, hormones, and surgery for children.

I wonder how many times he has to be told this? It doesn't seem to have any effect.

rjs330 · May 14, 2024

KCfromNC said:
was addressing a line of thought here which claimed that because some doctors two generations ago thought smoking was OK we should question the direction of current medical research

We should always question the direction of medical research. That's how lobotomies pretty much ended. And since you mentioned it, how smoking ended. If people didn't question the research on the trans issue countries in Europe wouldn't have ended Affirmative Care. It's not biased non-experts who are making these changes although public pressure can help force a re-evaluation. There are always experts involved in these re-evaluations as well.

rjs330 · May 14, 2024

KCfromNC said:
Including the people in the OP who want to use the force of government to take away medical choices for parents?

And we'll they should under these circumstances. Because it's been proven that neither the parents nor tge children know what they are doing.

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