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Do you believe that God' has a single thing to do with Satan's evil (Did God do that evil through Satan?), other than God's blessed Provision of Individual Autonomous Free Moral Agency to Creation?
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Our judicial system, Police and courts, are the ultimate authority in our society. That doesn't mean people do not break the law - nor does it mean when someone breaks the law it is ordained by the authority.
God is and always has had all authority in heaven and earth. From the very beginning men were disobedient to God's Authority.
Starting in the Garden itself -
Time and time again throughout the Old Testament we see God's Authority being completely disobeyed.
I can continue - there are hundreds of instances where what God ordained was not accomplished.
Our judicial system, Police and courts, are the ultimate authority in our society. That doesn't mean people do not break the law - nor does it mean when someone breaks the law it is ordained by the authority.
God is and always has had all authority in heaven and earth. From the very beginning men were disobedient to God's Authority.
Starting in the Garden itself -
Romans 5:19 19 For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so also by one Man’s obedience many will be made righteous.
God ordained that man would live in the garden - not fall from graceTime and time again throughout the Old Testament we see God's Authority being completely disobeyed.
Deut 28:15 “But it shall come to pass, if you do not obey the voice of the Lord your God, to observe carefully all His commandments and His statutes which I command you today, that all these curses will come upon you and overtake you:
God ordained that man be obedient to him - not that man would live in disobedience.Exo 5:5 Afterward Moses and Aaron went in and told Pharaoh, “Thus says the Lord God of Israel: ‘Let My people go, that they may hold a feast to Me in the wilderness.’ ”
2 And Pharaoh said, “Who is the Lord, that I should obey His voice to let Israel go? I do not know the Lord, nor will I let Israel go.”
In other words he is doing the OPPOSITE of what God's authority - God ordained His people to be set free - not held hostageMatt 23:7“O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing!
God ordained His children gathered together - His Children did the opposite of what God ordained.I can continue - there are hundreds of instances where what God ordained was not accomplished.
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What will happen to me if I don't Repent (Change my Mind) from the ways of my Carnal understanding to the Provisions of God?
| 3341. metanoia ► |
| Strong's Concordance metanoia: change of mind, repentance Original Word: μετάνοια, ας, ἡPart of Speech: Noun, Feminine Transliteration: metanoia Phonetic Spelling: (met-an'-oy-ah) Definition: change of mind, repentance |
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There are two threads on that subject already - please post there.
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It was a rhetorical question. Not meant to confuse, but bolster your point. :Fwouny Face:
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No moral evil, aka "sin", the worst kind, could ever exist unless God granted free will to certain created beings. That particular good: freedom, is the source of evil. There exists no such evil in God and the only sane reason for Him allowing evil is for us to finally come to hate it as we come to identity and value, and so choose, with that same freedom, good instead, good over evil. To choose Him instead, the ultimate Good.
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fhansen, my friend... I fully agree with you.
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You’ve already indicated that you don’t believe God can stop sin, which means you don’t believe He can intervene in any real sense. So we may just be too far apart in our views.
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Then please show in scripture any place where it contextually show that God prevented sin. I believe with all my heart God intervenes - but He never circumvents man's will. If He did - we would still be in the garden.
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A couple verses come to mind
Psalm 131:131 Lord, my heart is not haughty, Nor my eyes lofty. Neither do I concern myself with great matters, Nor with things too profound for me.
1 Corinthians 4:3 But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged by you or by a human court. In fact, I do not even judge myself.
4 For I know of nothing against myself, yet I am not justified by this; but He who judges me is the Lord. 5 Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord comes, who will both bring to light the hidden things of darkness and reveal the counsels of the hearts. Then each one’s praise will come from God.
Ecclesiastes 12:1 And moreover, because the Preacher was wise, he still taught the people knowledge; yes, he pondered and sought out and set in order many proverbs.
10 The Preacher sought to find acceptable words; and what was written was upright—words of truth.
11 The words of the wise are like goads, and the words of scholars are like well-driven nails, given by one Shepherd. 12 And further, my son, be admonished by these. Of making many books there is no end, and much study is wearisome to the flesh.
13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter:
Fear God and keep His commandments,
For this is man’s all.
14 For God will bring every work into judgment,
Including every secret thing,
Whether good or evil.
Psalm 131:131 Lord, my heart is not haughty, Nor my eyes lofty. Neither do I concern myself with great matters, Nor with things too profound for me.
1 Corinthians 4:3 But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged by you or by a human court. In fact, I do not even judge myself.
4 For I know of nothing against myself, yet I am not justified by this; but He who judges me is the Lord. 5 Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord comes, who will both bring to light the hidden things of darkness and reveal the counsels of the hearts. Then each one’s praise will come from God.
Ecclesiastes 12:1 And moreover, because the Preacher was wise, he still taught the people knowledge; yes, he pondered and sought out and set in order many proverbs.
10 The Preacher sought to find acceptable words; and what was written was upright—words of truth.
11 The words of the wise are like goads, and the words of scholars are like well-driven nails, given by one Shepherd. 12 And further, my son, be admonished by these. Of making many books there is no end, and much study is wearisome to the flesh.
13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter:
Fear God and keep His commandments,
For this is man’s all.
14 For God will bring every work into judgment,
Including every secret thing,
Whether good or evil.
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Now Abraham journeyed from there toward the land of the Negev, and settled between Kadesh and Shur; then he sojourned in Gerar. Abraham said of Sarah his wife, “She is my sister.” So Abimelech king of Gerar sent and took Sarah. But God came to Abimelech in a dream of the night, and said to him, “Behold, you are a dead man because of the woman whom you have taken, for she is married.” Now Abimelech had not come near her; and he said, “Lord, will You slay a nation, even though blameless? Did he not himself say to me, ‘She is my sister’? And she herself said, ‘He is my brother.’ In the integrity of my heart and the innocence of my hands I have done this.” Then God said to him in the dream, “Yes, I know that in the integrity of your heart you have done this, and I also kept you from sinning against Me; therefore I did not let you touch her.
— Genesis 20:1-6
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I thought I would add them for consideration for the discussion. It's not aimed at anyone in particular. I think we get sidetracked with the wrong speech and judgment sometimes. For example, and this isnt aimed at you, people slander politicians but according to Romans 13 and Titus 3 this slander is wrong. In that example we got involved in the wrong speech.
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Here’s another example of God using His authority.
Now the Spirit of Yahweh departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from Yahweh terrorized him.
— 1 Samuel 16:14
Now the Spirit of Yahweh departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from Yahweh terrorized him.
— 1 Samuel 16:14
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Context
1 Samuel 16 The Lord said to Samuel, “How long will you mourn for Saul, since I have rejected him as king over Israel? Fill your horn with oil and be on your way; I am sending you to Jesse of Bethlehem. I have chosen one of his sons to be king.”
2 But Samuel said, “How can I go? If Saul hears about it, he will kill me.”
The Lord said, “Take a heifer with you and say, ‘I have come to sacrifice to the Lord.’ 3 Invite Jesse to the sacrifice, and I will show you what to do. You are to anoint for me the one I indicate.”
4 Samuel did what the Lord said. When he arrived at Bethlehem, the elders of the town trembled when they met him. They asked, “Do you come in peace?”
5 Samuel replied, “Yes, in peace; I have come to sacrifice to the Lord. Consecrate yourselves and come to the sacrifice with me.” Then he consecrated Jesse and his sons and invited them to the sacrifice.
6 When they arrived, Samuel saw Eliab and thought, “Surely the Lord’s anointed stands here before the Lord.”
7 But the Lord said to Samuel, “Do not consider his appearance or his height, for I have rejected him. The Lord does not look at the things people look at. People look at the outward appearance, but the Lord looks at the heart.”
8 Then Jesse called Abinadab and had him pass in front of Samuel. But Samuel said, “The Lord has not chosen this one either.” 9 Jesse then had Shammah pass by, but Samuel said, “Nor has the Lord chosen this one.” 10 Jesse had seven of his sons pass before Samuel, but Samuel said to him, “The Lord has not chosen these.” 11 So he asked Jesse, “Are these all the sons you have?”
“There is still the youngest,” Jesse answered. “He is tending the sheep.”
Samuel said, “Send for him; we will not sit down until he arrives.”
12 So he sent for him and had him brought in. He was glowing with health and had a fine appearance and handsome features.
Then the Lord said, “Rise and anoint him; this is the one.”
13 So Samuel took the horn of oil and anointed him in the presence of his brothers, and from that day on the Spirit of the Lord came powerfully upon David. Samuel then went to Ramah.
David in Saul’s Service
14 Now the Spirit of the Lord had departed from Saul, and an evil[a] spirit from the Lord tormented him.
15 Saul’s attendants said to him, “See, an evil spirit from God is tormenting you. 16 Let our lord command his servants here to search for someone who can play the lyre. He will play when the evil spirit from God comes on you, and you will feel better.”
17 So Saul said to his attendants, “Find someone who plays well and bring him to me.”
18 One of the servants answered, “I have seen a son of Jesse of Bethlehem who knows how to play the lyre. He is a brave man and a warrior. He speaks well and is a fine-looking man. And the Lord is with him.”
19 Then Saul sent messengers to Jesse and said, “Send me your son David, who is with the sheep.” 20 So Jesse took a donkey loaded with bread, a skin of wine and a young goat and sent them with his son David to Saul.
21 David came to Saul and entered his service. Saul liked him very much, and David became one of his armor-bearers. 22 Then Saul sent word to Jesse, saying, “Allow David to remain in my service, for I am pleased with him.”
23 Whenever the spirit from God came on Saul, David would take up his lyre and play. Then relief would come to Saul; he would feel better, and the evil spirit would leave him.
This goes all the way back to Job, where Satan is still in authority, before Christ died on the Cross and crushed the serpent's head. Satan has Free Libertarian Volition. God was protecting Saul. When God withdrew from Saul, Demon's did what Demon's do.
You are insinuating the very same argument that the Pharisees employed here.... "Matthew 9:34 But the Pharisees said, “He drives out demons by the ruler of the demons!”
You perpetually want to pin the workings of Evil on God's Sovereignty, by denying that mankind and angel's have Libertarian Volition. Jesus revealed God. Jesus is LOVE. He made it clear that God had NO Thing to do with the workings of Demons. Why is this hill to die on that God can hate or God can will evil to be done?
Spotless Lamb, Who is without SIN (Evil). It's important.
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