People claim to want Jesus for president, but would they really?

discombobulated1 said:

Jesus would tell the illegals to immigrate LEGALLY because he recognized that we need LAWS. I mean that's kind of a no brainer thing: society needs to have law and order

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Or maybe execute them ? (for idolatry) When He Returns as Lord, OR On Judgment Day, He comes not to save the world, but to execute God's Wrath and Vengeance and Judgment upon the idolators and perverts and selfish and greedy.

discombobulated1 said:

And I could go on and on. But in any case, we can't have Jesus so Trump is the next best or virtually the next best thing. .. just saying

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Cool, and may be. It is God who puts in place the leaders, kings, princes, not voting.
So God will continue to do His Plan Perfectly.

discombobulated1 said:

.. just saying

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"People claim to want Jesus for president, but would they really?"
For a few, He Is Their Shepherd, and they/we/ are waiting eagerly for His Return

discombobulated1 said:

wow, I usually get your posts but not this one.

I don't think Moses condoned rape. I have read the entire Old Testament and never saw anything remotely like this

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I'm not saying that he condoned it but Levitical law has some pretty harsh punishments for those women you don't scream loud enough to be heard or God forbid one wears wool with cotton. That's a severe punishment. Also, I may have been mistaken when I thought that Moses wrote the Levitical laws so please forgive my error if that's not true.

Still, even if all things were equal, I think that Jesus would be the most benevolent President of all time. Too bad he wanted nothing to do with politics.

rturner76 said:

Still, even if all things were equal, I think that Jesus would be the most benevolent President of all time. Too bad he wanted nothing to do with politics.

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Best of All Ever Possible ! YES! But as written He will rule with a hand of iron! STRICT, DISCIPLINED, Unwavering, Unchanging, and Unaccepting of continued sin.

Fantine said:

He preached about social justice about ten times more than anything else.
He befriended the pariahs of society.
He himself was a refugee in a strange land as a child.
He told the men stoning the woman that the one without sin should cast the first stone.
He said we should respect government--unlike Republican attempts to overthrow it.
What did he say about abortion or homosexuality? You'll have to help me out there.

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Should Christians befriend pariahs because they are pariahs?

Would Jesus sanction abortion and LGBT in his Kingdom Fantine?

discombobulated1 said:

No wonder Jesus said few find the narrow way to heaven... most people are stuck in this world.. so stuck, apparently, they can't even see it

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Jesus said if someone did listen to Moses they would listen to Jesus too! Because Moses spoke of JESUS (and is/was YHVH's chosen leader).

Jesus is/will be stricter than Moses. Even to the thoughts of the heart will be JUDGED.

Anyone who rejects Moses, or Paul, also rejects Jesus.

Adam56 said:

The Good Samaritan story is about personal charity. It is not about welfare. This is a very common mistake (or manipulation tactic more likely) leftists make.

2 Corinthians 9:7
Each of you should give what you have decided in your heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.

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I don't recall saying anything about welfare.

-CryptoLutheran

Adam56 said:

The Good Samaritan story is about personal charity. It is not about welfare. This is a very common mistake (or manipulation tactic more likely) leftists make.

2 Corinthians 9:7
Each of you should give what you have decided in your heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.

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I think likewise it is a very common mistake to call obedience, or righteousness, "charity".

Noting 2 Corinthians 9:7 >
..what you have decided...

i.e.and act of the will, to choose to do right, to choose to obey Jesus. not a feeling nor let by feelings.

ViaCrucis said:

I don't recall saying anything about welfare.

-CryptoLutheran

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Well why is the Good Samaritan story bad for the religious right?

Adam56 said:

Well why is the Good Samaritan story bad for the religious right?

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The story is Jesus' answer to the question of "Who is my neighbor?"

If everyone is my neighbor, that means I have to love everyone. That's not exactly the message the Religious Right promotes. Because everyone includes Jews, Muslims, liberals, non-Trump voters, queer people, and illegal immigrants.

-CryptoLutheran

Who does God say plainly NOT to associate with at all ?

ViaCrucis said:

The story is Jesus' answer to the question of "Who is my neighbor?"

If everyone is my neighbor, that means I have to love everyone. That's not exactly the message the Religious Right promotes. Because everyone includes Jews, Muslims, liberals, non-Trump voters, queer people, and illegal immigrants.

-CryptoLutheran

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Would you say the religious right isn’t loving of queer people because it’s trying to ban same sex marriage?

Adam56 said:

Would you say the religious right isn’t loving of queer people because it’s trying to ban same sex marriage?

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If you love someone, I would think you would have the same hope for them as Jesus does ---- if it is possible, that they repent, turn their lives around, stop sinning, and be immersed in Jesus' Name

to be saved - SAME AS everyone who is saved who calls on the Name of Jesus !

no prejudice, no respecter of persons ---- same requirement to enter heaven.

OR , leave them in their abominable sin, to die, to perish forever ....

Aaron112 said:

If you love someone, I would think you would have the same hope for them as Jesus does ---- if it is possible, that they repent, turn their lives around, stop sinning, and be immersed in Jesus' Name

to be saved - SAME AS everyone who is saved who calls on the Name of Jesus !

no prejudice, no respecter of persons ---- same requirement to enter heaven.

OR , leave them in their abominable sin, to die, to perish forever ....

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If you legalize same sex marriage you incentivize and thus encourage that sin.

Aaron112 said:

Best of All Ever Possible ! YES! But as written He will rule with a hand of iron! STRICT, DISCIPLINED, Unwavering, Unchanging, and Unaccepting of continued sin.

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That is why he said "If you love me, you would obey my commandments."

Amen!

ViaCrucis said:

The story is Jesus' answer to the question of "Who is my neighbor?"

If everyone is my neighbor, that means I have to love everyone. That's not exactly the message the Religious Right promotes. Because everyone includes Jews, Muslims, liberals, non-Trump voters, queer people, and illegal immigrants.

-CryptoLutheran

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Does loving everyone mean to accept and affirm them?

God's Love, and the Love He wants for us to have,

is NOT a ooee guee FEELING , no, and not and emotion!

Love He wants for us is a CHOICE OF THE WILL.

A choice to do what HE (GOD) SAYS TO DO, all the time, for anyone.

DO what HE SAYS, even if painful and difficult and not popular.

Jesus notes: why do you say you love Me, but you don't obey Me ?

So always obey Jesus and do as the Father Wants.

Ignatius the Kiwi said:

Does loving everyone mean to accept and affirm them?

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Not sure what you mean. Jesus accepts all. Affirm, though... that depends on what that means. Jesus' words "He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her" is oft quoted but He also said. "Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more." It's a mistake to assume Grace means a license to sin. To think that it does is to hold the blood of Christ in low regard.

In completely secular terms, nodding our heads in approval at what God has declared sin (doesn't matter what that sin may be) is what's known as enabling. If we know someone has a drinking problem and try to cover for him and even drive him to the liquor store, we're harming him, that's enabling and is harming him, not helping him. If we nod our heads in approval of sin, we're saying it's not really a sin., and that's not helping the person who doesn't feel convicted of it. How can we come to Christ for forgiveness of our sins if we don't realize that we are sinners that need forgiveness? And how can we say we agree with Christ that we are sinners if we ask for forgiveness with no intention of repentance? Isn't that denying we are sinners and calling Christ a liar?

Adam56 said:

Would you say the religious right isn’t loving of queer people because it’s trying to ban same sex marriage?

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I think it's interesting that you chose to highlight that group when I mentioned a lot of groups.

Allow me to provide a fairly broad level question as a response: Am I loving my neighbor if I am actively seeking to deprive them of certain rights which are otherwise available to others? If something is a right, and I actively target some of my neighbors in such a way as to deprive them of that right, is this in keeping with Jesus commandment to love my neighbor?

To put it more succinctly: Should certain people have rights and other persons be deprived of those same rights?

-CryptoLutheran