People claim to want Jesus for president, but would they really?

Arcangl86 said:

the story of Sodom and Gamorrah also isn't a clear condemnation of homosexuality, but I can't really go into that.

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Adam56 said:

Jesus mentioned Lot’s wife:
Luke 17:32
Remember Lot’s wife.

Clear condemnation of Sodom and Gomorrah.

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Adam56 said:

You can’t go into that because it’s a lie. It was definitely a condemnation of homosexuality.

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Adam56 said:

You can’t go into that because it’s a lie. It was definitely a condemnation of homosexuality.

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ViaCrucis said:

According to the Bible why did God destroy Sodom and Gomorrah?

-CryptoLutheran

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Adam56 said:

Jude 7 KJV
Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

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ViaCrucis said:

Did you notice something absent here that you previously claimed? There's no mention of homosexuality here.

I also noticed that you ignored--or perhaps you're just unaware?--of the rest of the Bible's talk about Sodom and Gomorrah. Look at Ezekiel 16:49-40

The problem of biblical literacy in the modern era involves a lot of things. But one of the problems is that there's often a huge difference between what the Bible says and what people think the Bible says.

Let's take a look at Jude 7, the expression "strange flesh" is a translation of σαρκὸς ἑτέρας (sarkos heteras). What did Jude mean by this? And don't make any assumptions, let's put the breaks back and take the Bible seriously for a moment.

If we take a look at what is written in Genesis about Sodom, and then look at what Jude says. Without adding any of our own assumptions and prejudices, do you think we could to a reasonable conclusion about the meaning of the text?

And did you notice that word "even" at the start of verse 7? That's ὡς, and translates as "even" or "as", it's a comparative adverb, and it links to the preceding clause. In this case that would be Jude verse 6. To further link verse 7 to verse 6 there is the term ὅμοιον τούτοις τρόπον (homoion toutos tropon).

In what way were the Sodomites (and co) like the angels who fell from their estate?

Jude isn't doing a lot to explain what he means, so we're going to have to do some serious work if we want to get anywhere with understanding this.

-CryptoLutheran

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ViaCrucis said:

Did you notice something absent here that you previously claimed? There's no mention of homosexuality here.

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Tuur said:

Discussions of human sexuality are verboten on this board, or at least in this particular forum. Not a moderator and didn't even sleep at a a Holiday Inn Express, so all I can suggest is that the ToS explains more.

Be that as it may, what the bible says in both the Old and New Testament is pretty clear. Just as it's also clear that sin is sin regardless. We don't do ourselves any favors to focus on one and ignore others.

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Adam56 said:

“Fornication and going after strange flesh.”

Strange means unnatural, and as Romans 1 describes it is unnatural for a man to have sex with another man.

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2PhiloVoid said:

Right, I'm sure that Jesus said quite a bit more than what is actually recorded/reported, but do we want to venture a guess that Jesus addressed what was to become 21st century American politics

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ViaCrucis said:

Go back to what the text says. Not what you think it says.

-CryptoLutheran

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Adam56 said:

I did. You’re trying to lessen the severity of how much God hates homosexuality. It’s a left wing tactic.

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ViaCrucis said:

This tells me that you're not actually interested in what the Bible says. You're more interested in your own personal agenda.

Anyway, I tried. You have yourself a nice day.

-CryptoLutheran

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Adam56 said:

I read exactly what it says. Sodom and Gomorrah was destroyed because of homosexuality.

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ViaCrucis said:

Except that the text doesn't say that. You're making that up.

-CryptoLutheran

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Sodom and Gomorrah: What Was the Primary Sin?

While many believe Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed because of rampant homosexual behavior, others say Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed because of pride.

answersingenesis.org

They had no interest in sexual relations with women; only after Lot offered them a heterosexual alternative did they then decide that they would now forcefully seize and rape Lot (“deal worse with you”), and this would have been in contrast to the way they had desired to "deal with them." In other words, in threatening to now rape Lot, they were admitting that their desire for the angels was pure lust, not dominance in the form of rape. There were likely many cases of rape in Sodom, but it seems clear that all the men of the city (except Lot, and perhaps his sons-in-law mentioned in verse 14) had become bisexual or preferentially homosexual.

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Fantine said:

Jesus would be a nightmare for the Religious Right.

Jesus' Gospel message is most accurately interpreted by Pope Francis. Jesus' mission is to Mother Teresa's "poorest of the poor."

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