SC Senate Passes Bill Banning Affirmative Care For Minors

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Who's proposing that model? I doubt very much you would find anyone on rhe small government side to be saying there should be no controls on the food we consume. I don't think anyone want to be poisoned by bad meat. This is the foolishness of your argument. Literally no conservative has ever claimed that small government means no regulations on anything including the medical field. Maybe in your fevered imagination but in reality no.

Just like your big government precepts don't mean you want the government involved in every facit and decision of your life. I think that would be a poor model as well.
I see. You have missed the calls to do away with the FDA and other government oversight agencies? Well, par for the course I guess.
 
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I see. You have missed the calls to do away with the FDA and other government oversight agencies? Totally spaced on Ron Desantis banning lab grown meat? Think that a complete ban on medicine that many specialists consider life saving is appropriate because you personally don't approve of it? Well, par for the course I guess.
 
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Not true. Remember, we're talking about the gender affirming care which is actually used on minors, not the made up stuff that far-right talking points claim happens to minors.
It’s not made up. It’s essentially cosmetic surgery and genital mutation.
 
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I guess acting offended is easier than addressing the points made in, say, post 151. Not more convincing, but certainly a lot less effort.
Cancer treatments are LIFESAVING and MEDICAL CARE.

“Gender affirming care” for minors who may change their mind over and over is not the same.
 
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If you're just going to ignore the rest of my post I'll just restate the facts from it :

They're both treatments used on children which might not have a two decade long proven track record, are not 100% certain to work, and might potentially have side effects. So the comparison seems apt, given that those were excuses previously brought up to ban one of the two.​



"Ask your doctor if Keytruda might be right for you", from their ad on youtube.

Thanks for adding another point to my list of similarities.
Tge only similarity is that it's a treatment. You still ignored that the doctor doesn't give you any medication until it's proven you have a disease that will kill you. They don't just affirm you do and give it to you. I don't know what keytruda us but if it's a cancer drug they still won't give it to you just because you say you have the condition.

Your comparison continues to be a failure.
 
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Tge only similarity is that it's a treatment. You still ignored that the doctor doesn't give you any medication until it's proven you have a disease that will kill you. They don't just affirm you do and give it to you. I don't know what keytruda us but if it's a cancer drug they still won't give it to you just because you say you have the condition.

Your comparison continues to be a failure.
Furthermore permanent surgeries such as “gender affirming care” don’t need to be used on children. Wait until they’re ADULTS.
 
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Belk-Think that a complete ban on medicine that many specialists consider life saving is appropriate because you personally don't approve of it? Well, par for the course I guess.

It's never been proven to be life saving.thats a complete fabrication. It's seems my opinion is more in line with therapeutic practices around the world than yours is and has is in line with the systematic reviews than yours is.
 
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Belk-Think that a complete ban on medicine that many specialists consider life saving is appropriate because you personally don't approve of it? Well, par for the course I guess.

It's never been proven to be life saving.thats a complete fabrication. It's seems my opinion is more in line with therapeutic practices around the world than yours is and has is in line with the systematic reviews than yours is.


I guess you should let all those stupid doctors, lawyers, and researchers know.
 
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I guess you should let all those stupid doctors, lawyers, and researchers know.
It's all a complete.fabrication. Systematic reviews have proven the research on the subject is extremely poor and unreliable. All you posted were activist articles making unreliable claims based upon the same garbage research they've always used. There is NO evidence that transitioning for kids reduces their risk of suicidal ideation or suicide. None.

I don't need to let any of them know. The systematic reviews have already determined that it's junk science. I refer you once again to the systematic reviews of the research.
Every single country has looked at the research and found it unreliable and inconclusive.

So you posting trans activism stuff isn't real evidence that it's effective. The claims they make that it helps is a complete.fabrication and unsupported by the evidence.

The Cass Report issued scathing condemnation for WPATH and stated that there are no long term.studies that show there is any improvement in mental health for kids who are medicalized. It stated that there is a strong possibility that any improvement seen in the short term is a placebo effect.
 
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It's all a complete.fabrication. Systematic reviews have proven the research on the subject is extremely poor and unreliable. All you posted were activist articles making unreliable claims based upon the same garbage research they've always used. There is NO evidence that transitioning for kids reduces their risk of suicidal ideation or suicide. None.

I don't need to let any of them know. The systematic reviews have already determined that it's junk science. I refer you once again to the systematic reviews of the research.
Every single country has looked at the research and found it unreliable and inconclusive.

So you posting trans activism stuff isn't real evidence that it's effective. The claims they make that it helps is a complete.fabrication and unsupported by the evidence.
Can you provide links to the systematic reviews are you referring to?
 
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Can you provide links to the systematic reviews are you referring to?
You'll have to search for them for each country. Finland, Sweden, Norway, France and England.

Here's an article regarding them. But you'll have to do more research. I read a lot of stuff and I'm not going to do all the research again.


Europe And U.S. Diverge Sharply On Treatment Of Gender Incongruence In Minors
https://thehill.com/opinion/healthc...ite-directions-on-youth-transgender-medicine/

That's all I'm going to do. Bottom line is the other countries have put the brakes on including the Dutch. Many of these things are written in foreign languages that have to be interpreted. It's not an easy process.

The one difference is many of them haven't banned anything outright like the US. The difference being that they have very tight controls over the whole country, which the US doesn't have. They have research clinics where some kids can get into a tightly controlled research program that still isn't under the Affirmative Care model. The US in these states HAVE to ban the model because the medical field isn't doing anything. There is no other choice. Now if the medical field shut it down and did what the Europeans have done which is open up strictly controlled research groups where the kid has to apply to be part of the research then I don't think banning it outright would be necessary. But unfortunately that's not what is happening. Europe and rhe US has gone the opposite direction and kids are paying the price.
 
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Cancer treatments are LIFESAVING and MEDICAL CARE.

“Gender affirming care” for minors who may change their mind over and over is not the same.
No one said it was the same, just that a lot of excuses for government interference in personal medical decisions would apply equally to cancer treatments.
Weird how these posts need bring up stuff no one wrote to try and avoid talking about the things that were actually written.
 
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Tge only similarity is that it's a treatment.

If you're just going to ignore the rest of my post I'll just restate the facts from it :


They're both treatments used on children which might not have a two decade long proven track record, are not 100% certain to work, and might potentially have side effects. So the comparison seems apt, given that those were excuses previously brought up to ban one of the two.

Plus the similarity you brought up that people are encouraged to ask their doctor about both of them.
 
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It's all a complete.fabrication. Systematic reviews have proven the research on the subject is extremely poor and unreliable. All you posted were activist articles making unreliable claims based upon the same garbage research they've always used. There is NO evidence that transitioning for kids reduces their risk of suicidal ideation or suicide. None.

I don't need to let any of them know. The systematic reviews have already determined that it's junk science. I refer you once again to the systematic reviews of the research.
Every single country has looked at the research and found it unreliable and inconclusive.

So you posting trans activism stuff isn't real evidence that it's effective. The claims they make that it helps is a complete.fabrication and unsupported by the evidence.

The Cass Report issued scathing condemnation for WPATH and stated that there are no long term.studies that show there is any improvement in mental health for kids who are medicalized. It stated that there is a strong possibility that any improvement seen in the short term is a placebo effect.
Uh huh.

And all those biologists are fooled by evolution.

All the climate researchers are fooled by APGW.

I guess we will just add this to the list of well evidenced research that will be overturned any minute now.
 
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