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All of " evolution is a lie" is itself a scam.
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Facts to disprove theory of evolution
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You are indeed confused. And indulging in an ad hominem attack to boot. I expect nothing else from the pro evolutionist community. It is a real interview of a real person by a real writer. What the molecular biologist said is not unique. Professor James Tour, one of the leaders in the field, tells his students not to mention that they disbelieve in evolution - if they wish to pursue a career in science.
If you wish to refute the arguments, why not address them instead of using leading rhetorical questions? Perhaps that's only argument that you have?
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Typical evolutionist response. Don't address the issue, attack the individuals involved. I thought you were better than that, Estrid
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That's a bit rich! You post a dialogue without any hint of the source and then you have the temerity to attack a fellow member when they confess to being confused. Some up front honesty from you in providing source and relevant context could have avoided that. I am disappointed, but sadly not surprised.
Now to the meat of the matter. Anecdotes are great to relate over a beer with friends; they can add a bit of colour to an otherwise drab discussion; however, they are not especially effective at providing convincing evidence to challenge a position arrived at by extensive and diverse research. If you had not an anecdote, but a rigorously constructed poll that showed a significant proportion of the relevant scientific community echoed the sentiments expressed in your anecdote, then it would be worth sitting up and taking notice. Without that you just have an anecdote.
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I'm confused about lots of things in life but not about this. I'm one of the researchers that this supposed real molecular biologist is talking about -- I've spent a good chunk of the last 25 years working on the quest to find the molecular basis of disease. Not only do I not hold the view that's supposedly universal among those doing this work, I've not encountered that view once from any of the hundreds of other scientists that I've worked with in that time. The claim has no connection whatsoever with the real world.
How does it seem even remotely plausible to you? That tens of thousands of scientists would be spending their lives trying to understand human disease and in doing so, they'd all pretend to accept evolution while every single one of them also openly rejects it as obviously wrong? That's not a rhetorical question: how can you possibly take this nonsense seriously?
James Tour has no part at all in either the study of evolution or the study of the molecular basis of disease. Why bring him up?
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Cute rheretical questions to go with the
two prong personal attack.
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It appears that this alleged biochemist "Sam" is a proponent for some form of Intelligent Design. I thought you were a biblical creationist. The two are not compatible so I'm not quite sure what argument you wish us to make. Maybe to help you refute ID?
But if so, you are going to have to find a different source. "Sam" does not present a scientific argument for his position in that interview, he merely expresses his opinion that some form of ID exists, so there is nothing really to refute.
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You being a youtube sorta guy you
might like this, for examples of why your
hero ( who is-SURPRISE!- a born again Christian) gets
no traction with anyone but ( surprise again)
bornagainers.
He is just another example of how it's impossible
to promote yec with scientific integrity.
There's a bit in there to help you understand
what ad hom is and isn't, so you can quit doing
it and falsely accusing others.
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Biblical creationism assumes special creation of "kinds" and excludes common ancestry and the time needed for evolution to proceed. ID assumes an old Earth and evolution, but asserts that the mechanism of evolution as proposed by science is inadequate in itself to produce the results observed.
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And, who knows? Maybe there is some
"God - signature" deep inside biochemietry.
It's a pointless discussion until / unless
someone finds it.
Kinda like whether there's gold in them
hills, ifn nobody hasn't found none yet.
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The mystics talk about the awareness of a "life force" that is within all that exists.
In this forum I agree, it's a pointless discussion. In other venues it's an active ongoing discussion.
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" life force" / vitalism has no evidence- backed merit
" Design" has none either though if anyone wishes to search its their time n dime, but as in the absence of
Bigfoot, I see no space for serious talk. For eitherr position.
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Order doesn't come from disorder, and design/order itself is evidence of design, etc. And I think this is what the Bible is talking about when it says people have no excuse when looking at creation, etc.
But this thread is in the Physical and Life sciences forum, and this thread is supposed to be about evolution, so this is the only time I'm going to mention this for now, etc.
Take Care/God Bless.
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Order and disorder are purely human concepts that we've created to make our lifes easier.
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That's true enough if you think about "design" in the broad popular sense, but that's not what we are talking about. ID, or Intelligent Design (note the caps) is a specific proposal about how biochemistry works, so it is indeed a proper subject for a Life Sciences forum.
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