Why is earth's AGE important to you?

[th1bill]

The universe started out very condensed, the size of a mustand seed or according to Science smaller than that.

The only chemical elements created at the beginning of our universe were hydrogen, helium and lithium, the three lightest atoms in the periodic table

Oh. popycock! The Creator says different.

 

[th1bill]

The first day in Genesis chapter one was 6 billion years. The second day was 3 billion and so on. Each day is half the length of the day before it.

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And your, absolute, proof is?

 

[Jipsah]

Oh. popycock! The Creator says different.

Really? What did He say?

 

[Diamond7]

And your, absolute, proof is?

The absolute proof is in getting a day in Genesis Chapter one to line up with the Science of the ages of the earth. The earth is 4.5 billion years old. The universe is 13.7 billion years old. so 13.7 minus 4.5 gives us the length of day one. So actually the first day has to be 9.2 billion years. Because we are told that God created the Earth on the first day.

"Day" here would be an age or era. From our perspective the plural days. Not a single day as some people suppose. OEC is different from YEC. I can explain either one.

God created the sky or atmosphere on the second day. Of course it was a lot more humid back then. Even the sky was pink, not blue as it is now after the flood at the time Pangea was destroyed.

Gerald Schroeder - Articles - Age of the Universe

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[Diamond7]

Oh. popycock! The Creator says different.

God the Creator personally me this in a dream when I was 8 years old. What we learn from Science confirms that dream I had.

If you have evidence for your popycock then fire away. Show us what you have to support your claims.

 

[The Barbarian]

Oh. popycock! The Creator says different.

Really? What did He say?

From the book of AIG:
"And God made all the elements from the beginning, not just hydrogen, helium, and lithium."

The book of AIG consists of things creationists are sure that God would have said if He had all the facts.

 

[th1bill]

Really? What did He say?

That from the outside of our space/time continuum he created all we can see in six mornings and evenings and, as I near the transition time into His presence, Him I believe,

 

[th1bill]

From the book of AIG:
"And God made all the elements from the beginning, not just hydrogen, helium, and lithium."

The book of AIG consists of things creationists are sure that God would have said if He had all the facts.

I pray I do not witness your Judgement.

 

[th1bill]

The absolute proof is in getting a day in Genesis Chapter one to line up with the Science of the ages of the earth. The earth is 4.5 billion years old. The universe is 13.7 billion years old. so 13.7 minus 4.5 gives us the length of day one. So actually the first day has to be 9.2 billion years. Because we are told that God created the Earth on the first day.

"Day" here would be an age or era. From our perspective the plural days. Not a single day as some people suppose. OEC is different from YEC. I can explain either one.

God created the sky or atmosphere on the second day. Of course it was a lot more humid back then. Even the sky was pink, not blue as it is now after the flood at the time Pangea was destroyed.

Gerald Schroeder - Articles - Age of the Universe

It is my understanding that the Paleo Hebrew had a word for Day and a separate word for Day Age, and Yahova has not given us knowledge to explain His M.O.

 

[Jipsah]

is my understanding that the Paleo Hebrew had a word for Day and a separate word for Day Age, and Yahova has not given us knowledge to explain His M.O.

Doesn't matter. His creation is right here and we can look at it, and see how He did it. But no, that's too much like work.

 

[Jipsah]

I pray I do not witness your Judgement.

Ooooh! 11th Commandment: Thou better notst disagree with th1bill, unless thou wantest to be roasted forever. Selah.

Right?

 

[Jipsah]

That from the outside of our space/time continuum he created all we can see in six mornings and evenings and, as I near the transition time into His presence, Him I believe,

No mention of when the various elements were created, then. That's what I thought.

 

[th1bill]

No mention of when the various elements were created, then. That's what I thought.

Yep, not mentioned and the quote from the book above, not the Holy Bible, has man's thoughts added.

 

[th1bill]

Ooooh! 11th Commandment: Thou better notst disagree with th1bill, unless thou wantest to be roasted forever. Selah.

Right?

No... I am no more The Authority than any other poster, but Matthew 7 verse 1 is the Eye Opener for that paragraph in that chapter. Taken in context, my LORD is telling us to not judge their salvation but to never think we can stick our heads in the sand and hang out with everybody.

 

[th1bill]

גיל היום is the Paleo Hebrew word for day age, the first two characters, when alone, are the word for a 24 hour day. Yahova did not make a mistake, that honor is ours alone.

 

[PrincetonGuy]

That from the outside of our space/time continuum he created all we can see in six mornings and evenings and, as I near the transition time into His presence, Him I believe,

God said no such thing! Genesis 12-50 is written in the genre of literature known as the “Historical Narrative.” Genesis 1-11 is written in a very different genre of literature that is not found anywhere else in the Bible, but is found in epic tales, sagas, myths, and legends— genres of literature in which there is typically very little, if any thing, that is historically accurate. The creation story in the Bible is just that—a severely redacted story! The rest of Genesis 1-11 is a series of severely redacted epic tales, sagas, myths, and/or legends. They have no historical value, but their theological value is immense! The three big Young Earth Creationist organizations are obsessed with what is not really in Genesis but they ignore that which is most truly there—and there is too much of that in this thread.

Some ancient Jewish rabbis continued to believe into the 8th century A.D. that Genesis 1-11 was an accurate, literal account of actual historic events. Ancient Christian scholars, however, were writing at least as early as the first half of the third century A.D. that Genesis 1-11 is not and could not possibly be a literal account of any events. However, in this thread, precisely the opposite is being assumed even though that assumption has no solid basis of fact.

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[The Barbarian]

From the book of AIG:
"And God made all the elements from the beginning, not just hydrogen, helium, and lithium."

The book of AIG consists of things creationists are sure that God would have said if He had all the facts.

I pray I do not witness your Judgement.

Thanks for confirming my point.

Ooooh! 11th Commandment: Thou better notst disagree with th1bill, unless thou wantest to be roasted forever. Selah.

Right?

Todays's winner.

 

[Diamond7]

"And God made all the elements from the beginning, not just hydrogen, helium, and lithium."

I am all about color and light. Every element burns at it's own color. So we can use a spectrograph and see what elements are in a star at the age of that star. Determining the age of a star involves various methods depending on the star's characteristics, such as its type, evolutionary stage, and properties. So I would be happy for AIG to show us the evidence they have to derive their conclusion.

 

[Diamond7]

It is my understanding that the Paleo Hebrew had a word for Day and a separate word for Day Age

What is that separate word?

 

[th1bill]

I am sorry you did not read my final post last night but here it is once more:

גיל היום is the Paleo Hebrew word for day age, the first two characters, when alone, are the word for a 24 hour day. Yahova did not make a mistake, that honor is ours alone.