Gary K
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I agree that we are saved by Jesus' sacrifice. But, you have created a problem for yourself and your beliefs in the very first verses you quoted.What is really amazing that clarifies Rom 10 is Paul's message to the Ephesians in Eph 2:
8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast. 10 For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.
11 Therefore, remember that formerly you who are Gentiles by birth and called “uncircumcised” by those who call themselves “the circumcision” (which is done in the body by human hands)— 12 remember that at that time you were separate from Christ, excluded from citizenship in Israel and foreigners to the covenants of the promise, without hope and without God in the world. 13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near by the blood of Christ.
14 For he himself is our peace, who has made the two groups one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, 15 by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new humanity out of the two, thus making peace,
Gal 3:
You foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified. 2 I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by believing what you heard? 3 Are you so foolish? After beginning by means of the Spirit, are you now trying to finish by means of the flesh? 4 Have you experienced so much in vain—if it really was in vain? 5 So again I ask, does God give you his Spirit and work miracles among you by the works of the law, or by your believing what you heard? 6 So also Abraham “believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.”
7 Understand, then, that those who have faith are children of Abraham. 8 Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, and announced the gospel in advance to Abraham: “All nations will be blessed through you.” 9 So those who rely on faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.
Did Abraham have the Torah? Of course not, he had faith. His salvation didn't come by works of Torah, it came only by faith. All our works are as filthy rags. God only wants us to have faith in Him. When we allow the power of the Holy Spirit to work in us the results will lead us into a righteous life full of good deeds. ‘'Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.'’ Matt25:45
Salvation comes not by what we do. It comes by what Jesus did!
Ephesians 2: 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
The word grace is translated from a Greek word with the following meaning:
[*StrongsGreek*]
05485
χάρις cháris, khar'-ece
from 5463;
graciousness (as gratifying), of manner or act (abstract or concrete; literal, figurative or spiritual; especially the divine influence upon the heart, and its reflection in the life; including gratitude):--acceptable, benefit, favour, gift, grace(- ious), joy, liberality, pleasure, thank(-s, -worthy).
So, it appears that you think the HS fights against the the Father and the Son and that all three are not one in belief as you quote that verse to "prove" that we don't need to keep God's law.
I had no idea you believed such a thing. Seems to me that when you walked away from the Adventist church you walked away from a central teaching of scripture.
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