We Live In An Electrical Simulation

[Divide]

Isn't that the test where the light particles changed characteristics when observed? I kinda remember some of that when I was learning X-ray medical equipment repair years ago.

Exactly. The experiement showed two things, an interference pattern and also a wave pattern so they tried to chart which slit each proton went through so they set up a camera and it foiled the expected results. Almost like it knew that it was being observed.

 

[ViaCrucis]

There's plenty of videos on youtube about the double slit experiement. That's where I related it from.

Right, like I said, I'm familiar with the double slit experiment.

But how do you relate the double slit experiment to the Matrix? I don't see how a connection could be made.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Divide]

Mostly you, to all appearances

Hogwash intolerance?

An incomprehensibly dim-witted idea, but an idea.

An ever-present danger. By all means keep your doors locked and the shades drawn.

Just as the possibility exists that I was born rightwise king of all England, except far less likely.

Which was more than the stupid concept deserved.

If you get your "science" from fantasy movies.

You're a martyr, no doubt about it. Unfortunately you were martyred in an idiotic cause.

Not enough that they can't recognize rubbish when they see it.

No, it's reality vs childish imaginings.

OK, you've declared your victory now, and we're all appropriately impressed. Off you go, then.

What's a Blood Drinker anyway? That's a fair question since you're advertising Blood Drinker below your avatar thing. What's it mean? Are you a Vampire or something?

 

[Jipsah]

Is that the best you have?

Perfect summary.

I could whip out a few scriptures that parrelel some of these things

I call. Let's see 'em.

but if I did it woud be a waste of time

Of that I am certain.

because something like this would be your response?

Post 'em and see.

You have no game set & match

I didn't, Via Crucis did. You ought to read his post I was responding to,

Game set match based on what?

See above.

Oh. What do you think triggered you into such an emotional response about this thread?

A long-standing distaste for ignorant imaginings being peddled as truth.

You come across like you're sitting there all red faced and angry

You wish.

while you type. What's with that? What triggered you?

An attempt to palm off sophomoric fantasy as "proven" fact. There are too many people ready to accept that sort of swill as true, as witness Mr. Missler, who apparently has swallowed it hook, line, and sinker.

Call it noblesse oblige. I think that those of us who have a capacity for the use of logic and reason, have an obligation to use it to defend those who don't have that capacity from those who would prey on them.

 

[Divide]

Right, like I said, I'm familiar with the double slit experiment.

But how do you relate the double slit experiment to the Matrix? I don't see how a connection could be made.

-CryptoLutheran

I told you whhere the videos are already. It's a fairly noticeable association. Go work it out! If you want to talk me down at least do your own homework maybe?! Lol.

 

[Divide]

Perfect summary.

I call. Let's see 'em.

Of that I am certain.


Post 'em and see.

I didn't, Via Crucis did. You ought to read his post I was responding to,

See above.


A long-standing distaste for ignorant imaginings being peddled as truth.


You wish.


An attempt to palm off sophomoric fantasy as "proven" fact. There are too many people ready to accept that sort of swill as true, as witness Mr. Missler, who apparently has bought it hook, line, and sinker.

Call it noblesse oblige. I think that those of us who have a capacity for the use of logic and reason, to use it to defend those who don'thave that capacity from those who would prey on them.

Who invited you into this thread anyway? You seem to be a punk. Now I remember why I stopped posting in this thread, because of the silly antics of children. Flake off buddy.

 

[ViaCrucis]

Exactly. The experiement showed two things, an interference pattern and also a wave pattern so they tried to chart which slit each proton went through so they set up a camera and it foiled the expected results. Almost like it knew that it was being observed.

Except it didn't know it was being observed. Photons are not conscious.

The talk of "observation" in quantum mechanics is frequently misinterpreted into a form of new agey woo. And this is popularized in various pseudo-science and quack spiritual hubbidy-bumble, especially on the internet where facts are treated as though they don't matter.

Observation, in the context of quantum mechanics, does not mean being watched, but with being measured. I'm not going to pretend to be a physicist, but I'll share what little I understand: Because of the Uncertainty Principle it is not possible to know a particle's location and momentum at the same time. Particles exist in a state of superposition (see Schrodinger's Cat) until there is a wave function collapse, i.e. in the case of Schrodinger's Cat the box is opened and we can see whether the cat is alive or dead. The act of measurement--an interaction with the system--creates a wave function collapse. Thus the act of measuring is an interaction and the result is a wave function collapse.

It does not mean photons are aware or conscious, it does not mean we live in a simulation--it means that particles are weird, that at the smallest levels of the universe things behave very strange in comparison to the macro-level of the universe. The Holy Grail of physics for the last century and a half has been how to unify standard physics with quantum physics. Nobody's been able to do that yet.

There's no woo involved. The double slit experiment is weird, like a stage magician pulling a rabbit out of his hat it causes us to second-guess reality--but just like the magician pulling a rabbit out of his hat is not doing any magic but there is a perfectly rational explanation, the same is true of the double slit experiment. And that is why the study of quantum mechanics exists, to dig into that weird math and observations of the sub-atomic level of the universe.

Any attempt to spiritualize quantum mechanics is bad. That's bad science and it's bad spirituality. It's fundamentally no different than claiming crystals can cure cancer or that wearing tinfoil hats can make aliens stop listening into our thoughts.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Jipsah]

SO Space is more along the lines of pure energy than nothngness or dark matter or whatever. and if it is then it can be said to be electrical in nature. So there you would have possibilities of endless control (God woud). Electric simulation.

And here you departed the envelope of controlled flight...

 

[Jipsah]

What's a Blood Drinker anyway?

One who drinks the Blood of Christ.

. What's it mean? Are you a Vampire or something?

23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, that the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:
24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.

25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, this cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.

Any further questions?

 

[Jipsah]

Who invited you into this thread anyway?

Probably the same one who invited you.

You seem to be a punk.

Your opinion is duly noted, and valued at least as highly as the "electric universe" stuff you've posted.

Now I remember why I stopped posting in this thread, because of the silly antics of children. Flake off buddy.

Sorry, but I'll have to decline your your disinvitation.

 

[sjastro]

I'm sorry man but you have missed the point of the entire thread. I am not making this topic dogmatic and no one is asking you to believe it. But some of us nutballs out here wonder on such things. There's things we are taught to believe and then we have eyes and mind of our own so at times we can take a peek at the bigger picture behind the illusion. This planet does have spooky things happen a lot. Many things can not be explained by worldly science. .

You are one terribly confused individual, of course you made topic dogmatic.
The thread states “We Live in an Electrical Simulation.”
Your opening post states “It's already been proven now that we live in an electrial (sic) smulatton (sic).
On top of this dogmatism, you attacked anyone who disagreed with the video.

I'm sorry you missed the intent of the thread. You sound upset like you are looking to fight about this, but that's another whole subject. This is a different thread from the one where people may want to argue with your drivel. Please desist. I know you disagree. SO what?

Now you are projecting your own aggression on others by thinking posters reacted the same way as you would.

The only person looking for a fight was you, @Hans Blaster and myself were prepared to confine our comments to critiquing the video, you turned this thread into strawman and ad hom attacks against both of us because we didn’t share your bizarre emotional attachment to a creationist who doesn’t know what he is talking about and has engaged in lies about mainstream science.

If I am talking drivel I’m calling your bluff again as I did in the thread and we both know how that turned out when your personal attacks escalated because of your inability of addressing the issues.

 

[sjastro]

Who invited you into this thread anyway? You seem to be a punk. Now I remember why I stopped posting in this thread, because of the silly antics of children. Flake off buddy.

An example of the psychological projection I was alluding to in my previous post.

 

[prodromos]

That's the superficial part perhaps but the answer to my question is, Solid, Liqued, Gas, and Plasma are the four fundemental states of matter that Science recognizes now. Plasma is essentially electrical in nature.

And from what I understand now the universe is 5% seen and 95% unseen and Plasma pretty much makes up the 95% of the unseen world. That's what the scientists are saying. They can't see it all the time but they can under certain conditions.

And that's what scripture has been saying all along, lol.

You have apparently never been exposed to a Gilbert & Sutherland musical.

 

[Divide]

And here you departed the envelope of controlled flight...

Perhaps you've confused me with a scientist? I am not a scientist. I'm just a guy who isnt talking dogmatically so what exactly is the source of your frustration?

You can't call me out in the manner you have done, like I am someone who has to prove myself to you. You have not made any payments on my private Jumbo Jet or my fleet of Cadillacs so are unable to let you call me onto your carpet in any fashion, lol.

So I dont even take donations so you're playing the fool here. You send me a buch of money and then I will argue with you, ok? Maybe you just dont know how to talk to people. I would rather think that, than you being a thread punk just to shut down the thread and the topic.

It could have been a cool conversation and was too with a few individuals yourself notwithstanding lol. But you wont let it get started and continue because it freaks you out or something. What is it about this topic that sets you off so much?

 

[ViaCrucis]

Perhaps you've confused me with a scientist? I am not a scientist. I'm just a guy who isnt talking dogmatically so what exactly is the source of your frustration?

You can't call me out in the manner you have done, like I am someone who has to prove myself to you. You have not made any payments on my private Jumbo Jet or my fleet of Cadillacs so are unable to let you call me onto your carpet in any fashion, lol.

So I dont even take donations so you're playing the fool here. You send me a buch of money and then I will argue with you, ok? Maybe you just dont know how to talk to people. I would rather think that, than you being a thread punk just to shut down the thread and the topic.

It could have been a cool conversation and was too with a few individuals yourself notwithstanding lol. But you wont let it get started and continue because it freaks you out or something. What is it about this topic that sets you off so much?

What do you mean when you say you aren't talking dogmatically? Because it seems that you have made many dogmatic claims throughout this thread.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Divide]

You have apparently never been exposed to a Gilbert & Sutherland musical.

Never heard of it. No Gilbert & Sullivan either. So what is your point?

 

[Divide]

What do you mean when you say you aren't talking dogmatically? Because it seems that you have made many dogmatic claims throughout this thread.

-CryptoLutheran

I'm saying that you dont have to believe it. I dont care if you dont believe it or not. If I happen to look at my life, and my bible, and my extraneous science type reading material and perhaps lean in the direction of saying, I think something like this is potentially possibly true, then what is that to you?

Arent you the one who said this is a dangerous teaching and no Christians better listen to me?
Perhaps you can be persuaded to expound on just how and what is the danger in "what-iffing" about heavenly or spiritual things? I havent denied Jesus as the only way.

Colossians 3:2
2 Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.../KJV

Wouldn't speculative conversation about heavenly things fall under the catagory of this verse? Or would I be better off looking towards the world (for anything)?

I think something along these lines may be true. But I am nobody so who cares if I have something a little wrong, but it's not perfection? Not me. And I cant hardly see what danger to the Christian soul stems from like you said it does, so how about telling us more about this danger, ok?

 

[Divide]

An example of the psychological projection I was alluding to in my previous post.

...!

 

[Divide]

You are one terribly confused individual, of course you made topic dogmatic.
The thread states “We Live in an Electrical Simulation.”
Your opening post states “It's already been proven now that we live in an electrial (sic) smulatton (sic).
On top of this dogmatism, you attacked anyone who disagreed with the video.

Now you are projecting your own aggression on others by thinking posters reacted the same way as you would.

The only person looking for a fight was you, @Hans Blaster and myself were prepared to confine our comments to critiquing the video, you turned this thread into strawman and ad hom attacks against both of us because we didn’t share your bizarre emotional attachment to a creationist who doesn’t know what he is talking about and has engaged in lies about mainstream science.

If I am talking drivel I’m calling your bluff again as I did in the thread and we both know how that turned out when your personal attacks escalated because of your inability of addressing the issues.

Then stop posting in my threads. Don't talk to me. Fairly simple. You can do it!

 

[Divide]

Except it didn't know it was being observed. Photons are not conscious.

The talk of "observation" in quantum mechanics is frequently misinterpreted into a form of new agey woo. And this is popularized in various pseudo-science and quack spiritual hubbidy-bumble, especially on the internet where facts are treated as though they don't matter.

Observation, in the context of quantum mechanics, does not mean being watched, but with being measured. I'm not going to pretend to be a physicist, but I'll share what little I understand: Because of the Uncertainty Principle it is not possible to know a particle's location and momentum at the same time. Particles exist in a state of superposition (see Schrodinger's Cat) until there is a wave function collapse, i.e. in the case of Schrodinger's Cat the box is opened and we can see whether the cat is alive or dead. The act of measurement--an interaction with the system--creates a wave function collapse. Thus the act of measuring is an interaction and the result is a wave function collapse.

It does not mean photons are aware or conscious, it does not mean we live in a simulation--it means that particles are weird, that at the smallest levels of the universe things behave very strange in comparison to the macro-level of the universe. The Holy Grail of physics for the last century and a half has been how to unify standard physics with quantum physics. Nobody's been able to do that yet.

There's no woo involved. The double slit experiment is weird, like a stage magician pulling a rabbit out of his hat it causes us to second-guess reality--but just like the magician pulling a rabbit out of his hat is not doing any magic but there is a perfectly rational explanation, the same is true of the double slit experiment. And that is why the study of quantum mechanics exists, to dig into that weird math and observations of the sub-atomic level of the universe.

Any attempt to spiritualize quantum mechanics is bad. That's bad science and it's bad spirituality. It's fundamentally no different than claiming crystals can cure cancer or that wearing tinfoil hats can make aliens stop listening into our thoughts.

-CryptoLutheran

How do you know that photons are not conscious? Scripture says all of creation praises the Lord. So you dont talk photon or tree or rock. Me either. But are you familiar with Albert Einstein's Spooky Action at a distance experiments?

One of the strangest aspects of quantum physics is entanglement: If you observe a particle in one place, another particle—even one light-years away—will instantly change its properties, as if the two are connected by a mysterious communication channel. Scientists have observed this phenomenon in tiny objects such as atoms and electrons. But in two new studies, researchers report seeing entanglement in devices nearly visible to the naked eye.

They did these experiements. And they separated some photons by a distance of miles and then they somehow excited the protons in one location and instantly miles away the other protons began acting the same way. I guess the conclusion is that every molecule in existance knows everything about every other molecule. We are all connected in this way.

Which is why unity in the people of God is so important.

It's not my crazy deranged ideas, this is put out by some very educated people. Well beyond any qualifications that I dont have lol. Chuck Missler is harvard educated and is much more credible than I. But the quantum scientists know these things. Quantum entanglement is real.

I think Quantum Entanglement is the most precise science that we have on earth?