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Yeah about 500 years before. Mesopotamia was the first civilization.
But life existed before agricultural civilization. The "mythical" (maybe he was literal, I do not know) Adam is not the beginning of everything, but a specific selected individual whose children were farmers, already.
 
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But life existed before agricultural civilization. The "mythical" (maybe he was literal, I do not know) Adam is not the beginning of everything, but a specific individual whose children were farmers, already.
Adam was the beginning of man. He was the first man created 6000 years ago. God formed him from the ground and gave him breadth. He was not born from a womb. He was first.
These things are not complicated and clearly explained in Genesis
 
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Adam was the beginning of man. He was the first man created 6000 years ago. God formed him from the ground and gave him breadth. He was not born from a womb. He was first.
These things are not complicated and clearly explained in Genesis
In the context of the mythological/sacred history in the Bible, yes.

Bible has no info about hundreds of thousands of years of humanity during ice ages, before agriculture, for example. But those happened, too.
 
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In the context of the mythological/sacred history in the Bible, yes.

Bible has no info about hundreds of thousands of years of humanity during ice ages, before agriculture. But those happened.
In the context of the most referenced historical book for archaeologists.

There wasn’t hundreds of thousands years of humanity during ice ages. That’s called imagination.
 
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There wasn’t hundreds of thousands years of humanity during ice ages. That’s called imagination.
You are no authority on this topic, though. You just want to dismiss it because of your religious bias.
 
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You are no authority on this topic, though. You just want to dismiss it because of your religious bias.
No one is. It’s all made up topic that never happened . I dismiss it because there is no history of it. It’s all made up.
 
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No one is. It’s all made up topic that never happened . I dismiss it because there is no history of it. It’s all made up.
What is made up... ice ages? Or humans during ice ages?
 
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Ice ages are made up?
The ones you are talking about. Yes of course they are. There no recorded History of them. These things are driven by explaining a billion year old history that didn’t exists not driven by evidence and documentation of the events. There was a flood that covered the entire earth. That is not made up. Recorded event by many sources. Maybe you confuse that with an ice age. The earth was created 6000 years ago. So how could there be an ice age before then unless it’s made up?
 
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The earth was created 6000 years ago. So how could there be an ice age before then unless it’s made up?
Earth was not created 6,000 years ago. Is this your argument against ice ages? Then its because of your religious bias. You suppose that the biblical text will give you scientific accuracy, so you sum ages of patriarchs to get to Adam and think you got the age of the universe. Wrong.
 
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The ones you are talking about. Yes of course they are. There no recorded History of them.
 
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Earth was not created 6,000 years ago. Is this your argument against ice ages? Then its because of your religious bias. You suppose that the biblical text will give you scientific accuracy, so you sum ages of patriarchs to get to Adam and think you got the age of the universe. Wrong.
Written history and Chronology is the most accurate thing we have to date things. I assume you know that
 
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Written history and Chronology is the most accurate thing we have to date things. I assume you know that
Wrong again. Written history in the past was mostly mythological. Stories about beginnings were written relatively lately, not in the actual beginnings. If you will, you can even recognize it in Genesis - countries, rivers, gold, farming, other people around were already mentioned in the first chapters.
 
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Wrong again. Written history in the past was mostly mythological. Stories about beginnings were written relatively lately, not in the actual beginnings. If you will, you can even recognize it in Genesis - countries, rivers, gold, farming, other people around were already mentioned in the first chapters.
Written History only goes back 5500 years. I suppose you gonna say people didn’t write things down prior to that.
 
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Written History only goes back 5500 years. I suppose you gonna say people didn’t write things down prior to that.
You must realize that before the farming society, people were hunters and gatherers. They did not settle down, they did not build cities, they were more (for your better American association) like native Americans, but roaming the ice age land, hunting and eating large animals.

The development of writings is correlated with settling down, with the agricultural civilization.

However, we have prehistoric paintings of their hunts and their hunting tools.

The beginnings of writing are not the beginnings of humans or even the beginnings of our planet. Also, if you care to read those first writings, you will see mythology all over the place.
 
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You must realize that before the farming society, people were hunters and gatherers. They did not settle down, they did not build cities, they were more (for your better American association) like native Americans, but roaming the ice age land, hunting and eating large animals.

The development of writings is correlated with settling down, with the agricultural civilization.

However, we have prehistoric paintings of their hunts and their hunting tools.

The beginnings of writing are not the beginnings of humans or even the beginnings of our planet. Also, if you care to read those first writings, you will see mythology all over the place.
The painting were created within the past 6000 years - not sure what the problem is with that. The paintings didn't indicate the date/time. Our imagination that they are prehistoric doesnt make them prehistoric. The world was created 6000 years ago. Every event/person/place/thing you know was within the past 6000 years.
 
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No, I did not say that. I have nothing to say about Neanderthals. You have me confused with someone else.

In fact, that is the OPPOSITE of what I say. Hunter Gathers do NOT live in cities and they are not civilized. There are old camp sites that eventually become a city. But Neanderthals whatever they were, they were never civilized. That would require the breath of life.

In Genesis 1:28 they were told to subdue and populate the Earth. In Genesis 2:8 Adam and ever were put in the Garden of Eden to till the ground. Science has done a LOT of study on how food gathers became food producers and how this spread from the Middle East to Europe.


  1. Hunter-Gatherers: Hunter-gatherer societies are characterized by small groups of people who rely on hunting, fishing, and foraging for wild plants, fruits, and other resources to meet their nutritional needs. They typically live in nomadic or semi-nomadic lifestyles, moving from place to place in search of food. Hunter-gatherers have an intimate knowledge of their local environment and its resources. Their social structures are often relatively simple, and they tend to have egalitarian social arrangements.
  2. Food Producers: Food-producing societies, also known as agricultural or farming societies, emerged with the development of agriculture and the cultivation of crops and domestication of animals. This marked a significant shift from relying solely on wild resources to deliberately cultivating and managing crops and livestock. Agriculture allowed for a more stable and predictable food supply, leading to the growth of larger settled communities. Over time, food producers developed more complex social structures, including the rise of cities and civilizations.
I apologize when you said man that existed before Adam I naturally assumed you were talking about Neanderthals so I do apologize for misrepresenting your position. But 1 Corinthians 15:45 still says that Adam was the first man.
 
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The painting were created within the past 6000 years - not sure what the problem is with that. The paintings didn't indicate the date/time. Our imagination that they are prehistoric doesnt make them prehistoric. The world was created 6000 years ago. Every event/person/place/thing you know was within the past 6000 years.
You are just still repeating your religious bias and contradicting basically all known facts about our world, just because you think that mythological history is a scientific lesson.

 
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Right, I do.

This is the 3rd time I am asking this question: How old is the earth according to you?
When I said lean not on your own inderstanding, I meant it. Google "biblical chronology chart" and you'll see.
 
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Of course I believe people lived before Adam and Eve. You would have to throw away your Science book and your History book to believer otherwise. I say there is no contradiction between Science and the Bible. I understand most people believe that requires us to manipulate our translation and interpertation to get Science and the Bible to agree. But my main point is no one has any evidence at all that there is a conflict between Science and the Bible. We can all agree that not everything in the Bible can be proven by Science.

This is where Dr Kurt Wise usually enters the conversation.
Ok well that’s where we differ I believe the scriptures and I already pointed out that 1 Corinthians 15:45 specifically says that Adam was the first man. If that’s not a contradiction between science and the Bible then you’re just not acknowledging the facts. Obviously you don’t believe that 1 Corinthians 15:45 is accurate because if you did then you wouldn’t still be hanging on to this idea that man existed before Adam after I showed you that the Bible specifically says that Adam was the first man. I also explained how the city of Nod could’ve been descendants of Adam & Eve by that time because it’s possible that they could’ve had almost 10,000 descendants by the time they were 120 years old. Actually it could’ve been a lot more than that since Seth was said to be a replacement for Able so it’s highly likely that Seth was the next male born from Adam & Eve after Able was killed which could’ve happened anytime after his death. Eve could’ve been pregnant with Seth when Able was killed. So I allowed a 10 year gap between Able & Seth just to s produce a number somewhat on the low side not the maximum number of descendants they could’ve actually had. So you can imagine that 9,667 people continuing to have children for another 10 years multiplies the population drastically. Now we’re getting somewhere close to 50,000 people by the time Adam is 130 years old. So the issue of Cain fearing that someone might kill him is viable according to my interpretation and doesn’t contradict the scriptures at all. Furthermore it makes way more sense that he would fear his own family killing him than some other civilization that had no connection to Able and probably never even knew who Able was to begin with.
 
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