Rise of the 'AI god'

[AlexB23]

AI has excellent tools for cross-referencing and various types of (theological, linguistic etc) juxtapositions.

Yep. And AI can be used to give both a theological and secular perspective on things, as well as pull relevant verses, such as this little chat I had with Mistral 7B about diplomacy. By the way, my LG front loader washing machine even has AI. Of course, it is Korean technology. Koreans love their tech, which is pretty cool. My washer can not talk to me though, but it can sense loads and adjust wash times and agitation cycle speeds and lengths.

 

[Jipsah]

Is an "AI god" on horizon?

No. AI is software. It runs on a computer. It's a series of instructions written to make the computer do specific things.

There are a growing number of adherents in this evolving AI religion.

Those people are generically referred to as "nincompoops".

 

[Jipsah]

Yeah, I just read the article. That AI seems human like.

That's how it was designed. It's still instructions running on a computer, end of.

 

[AlexB23]

That's how it was designed. It's still instructions running on a computer, end of.

Yeah, that is true. AI is still made up of instructions running on a computer, binary 0s and 1s.

 

[Jipsah]

Daniel 8:23 (KJV)​

And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full,
a king of fierce countenance, and [understanding dark sentences], shall stand up.

Is this supposed to refer to some software?

The Gesenius’ Hebrew-Chaldee Lexicon defines “dark sentences” as “twisted,
involved, subtlety, fraud, enigma.”

Well Lord knows you can't write twisted, subtle, fraudulent, or enigmatic stuff without the help of some software.

A strongman in the end times grasps things that are obscure , things you
can’t understand without explanation or interpretation,

Sounds like it's talking about engineers. <Laugh>

 

[Jipsah]

By the way, my LG front loader washing machine even has AI. Of course, it is Korean technology. Koreans love their tech, which is pretty cool. My washer can not talk to me though, but it can sense loads and adjust wash times and agitation cycle speeds and lengths.

My wife's rice cooker appears to have a pretty good vocabulary, and speaks pretty natural sounding Korean. Our daughter has what may be the same LG washer and dryer you're on about, but they speak English. Best I can tell the software is just based on what they used to call "fuzzy logic", that lends itself to respond to a wide variety of different situations in its operating environment. No real "AI" there, just a cool synthesized voice, and a hardware/software combo that talks as well as setting visual status indicators. Very cool,but under the hood it's still pretty mundane stuff.

 

[AlexB23]

My wife's rice cooker appears to have a pretty good vocabulary, and speaks pretty natural sounding Korean. Our daughter has what may be the same LG washer and dryer you're on about, but they speak English. Best I can tell the software is just based on what they used to call "fuzzy logic", that lends itself to respond to a wide variety of different situations in its operating environment. No real "AI" there, just a cool synthesized voice, and a hardware/software combo that talks as well as setting visual status indicators. Very cool,but under the hood it's still pretty mundane stuff.

Yeah, some AI is weak (fuzzy logic wiki), such as the "AI" inside of my washer compared to LLM (large language models, link) such as ChatGPT or Mistral 7B. My washer is the LG Washtower. By the way, Koreans are good looking, but we can stick to the topic of AI.

Left: Yoon Hyun-min / 윤현민 (1985)
Right: Kim Si-Eun / 김시은 (1999)

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Rise of the 'AI god'

Navigating the growing Artificial Intelligence conundrum from a Christian perspective.

Is an "AI god" on horizon? There are a growing number of adherents in this evolving AI religion.

Click on the link and read but be prepared for a surprise towards the end of this essay.

Rise of the 'AI god'

Navigating the growing Artificial Intelligence conundrum from a Christian perspective

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Obviously, A.I. is going to be, and will continue to be, a formidable tool in the hands of various people ... ... ... and I'm sure the reports made with its assistance won't just be for a minority.

 

[AlexB23]

Obviously, A.I. is going to be, and will continue to be, a formidable tool in the hands of various people ... ... ... and I'm sure the reports made with its assistance won't just be for a minority.

Agreed. This is why AI must be open source, so that people know how the code works, and can collaborate on making AI beneficial to everyone. I run a partially open source AI, as I have said before. Artificial Intelligence is similar to nuclear energy. A nuclear power plant can be used to power a city of 100,000. But, a nuclear explosion could be used to level a city of 100,000.

Yes, I know some people do not like the World Economic Forum, but the group has a good article on why AI should be open source: https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2023/12/ai-regulation-open-source/

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Alex, maybe I've just watched too many sci-fi flix and read too many dystopian novels, but whether A.I. is open source or not won't, I think, make much difference as to how its used going into the future ... As you can see by a thread I made several years ago, I'm already leaning in a certain direction with my interpretations about its influence and social significance...

My pessimism about our Social-Techno Future, OR: ...Enihcam Eht Ot Emoclew...

Once upon a time, we dreamed and confessed our fears about the future: [clip from George Lucas' old movie, THX-1138] Now, the future dreams and confesses its fears about us, or it will shortly seem to: [clip from the recent World Economic Forum of 2018, featuring historian, Yuval Noah...

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[AlexB23]

Alex, maybe I've just watched too many sci-fi flix and read too many dystopian novels, but whether A.I. is open source or not won't, I think, make much difference as to how its used going into the future ... As you can see by a thread I made several years ago, I'm already leaning in a certain direction with my interpretations about its influence and social significance...

My pessimism about our Social-Techno Future, OR: ...Enihcam Eht Ot Emoclew...

Once upon a time, we dreamed and confessed our fears about the future: [clip from George Lucas' old movie, THX-1138] Now, the future dreams and confesses its fears about us, or it will shortly seem to: [clip from the recent World Economic Forum of 2018, featuring historian, Yuval Noah...

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Yeah, I think you might have been too much into dystopian fiction. Yes, AI will be used for bad, but a lot of AI will be used for good. Overall, AI might worsen lives for some people, and make lives better for others, creating a larger division potentially under the worst case scenario.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Yeah, I think you might have been too much into dystopian fiction. Yes, AI will be used for bad, but a lot of AI will be used for good. Overall, AI might worsen lives for some people, and make lives better for others, creating a larger division potentially under the worst case scenario.

Oh, I don't know, Alex. As a philosopher, keep in mind too that I mainly read and study non-fiction, and where A.I. is concerned, I think we need to hear not only the Ray Kurzweils of the world, but also the Bill Joys, too ...

... at the end of the day, I don't trust any Technocracy. Period.

 

[AlexB23]

Oh, I don't know, Alex. As a philosopher, keep in mind too that I mainly read and study non-fiction, and where A.I. is concerned, I think we need to hear not only the Ray Kurzweils of the world, but also the Bill Joys, too ...

... at the end of the day, I don't trust any Technocracy. Period.

Well, we can agree to disagree. I do not trust any technocracy as well. But everything can be good or evil. God bless. Hey, we agree on plenty of other things, though.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Well, we can agree to disagree. I do not trust any technocracy as well. But everything can be good or evil. God bless. Hey, we agree on plenty of other things, though.

Yes, many things can be used for good or evil. But if we live in a fallen world, one that is inclined to work against God/Christ, I'm more of the mind that it won't be one that will only be used for good, even if the intent is claimed to be for the sake of beneficence. Even good people can be tempted to overstep their ethical boundaries for the sake of what seems to be a "good political idea."

And yes, I do think that A.I. is more than, and will always be more than, merely a tool of technology. It will always be a political tool as well.

 

[AlexB23]

Yes, many things can be used for good or evil. But if we live in a fallen world, one that is inclined to work against God/Christ, I'm more of the mind that it won't be one that will only be used for good, even if the intent is claimed to be for the sake of beneficence. Even good people can be tempted to overstep their ethical boundaries for the sake of what seems to be a "good political idea."

And yes, I do think that A.I. is more than, and will always be more than, merely a tool of technology. It will always be a political tool as well.

For me, I am afraid that the politicians will use AI to sway votes, for either the far-right, or far-left.

 

[Jipsah]

Yeah, I think you might have been too much into dystopian fiction. Yes, AI will be used for bad, but a lot of AI will be used for good. Overall, AI might worsen lives for some people, and make lives better for others, creating a larger division potentially under the worst case scenario.

And in any case, AI does wjhat it's told to do. It's software, not Frankenstein's Monster. It doesn't want. It doesn't think. It doesn't believe. It doesn't feel. It does what its designers/writers make it do. It doesn't become self aware because there no self for it to be aware of. It isn't C3PO, or Commander Data, the Tin Woodman, M5, or SkyNet. Those are all esentially magical machine intelligences; in effect Mechanical Men. HAL 9000 may be ther nearest thing to a fictional AI, that went on a homicidal murder spree that was essentially due to a fairly frightening bug in its programming. and it was neutralized by the real-world expedient of turning it off.

 

[AlexB23]

And in any case, AI does wjhat it's told to do. It's software, not Frankenstein's Monster. It doesn't want. It doesn't think. It doesn't believe. It doesn't feel. It does what its designers/writers make it do. It doesn't become self aware because there no self for it to be aware of. It isn't C3PO, or Commander Data, the Tin Woodman, M5, or SkyNet. Those are all esentially magical machine intelligences; in effect Mechanical Men. HAL 9000 may be ther nearest thing to a fictional AI, that went on a homicidal murder spree that was essentially due to a fairly frightening bug in its programming. and it was neutralized by the real-world expedient of turning it off.

Agreed. We do not have ASI (sentient), or even AGI (general) yet.

 

[FireDragon76]

Oh, I don't know, Alex. As a philosopher, keep in mind too that I mainly read and study non-fiction, and where A.I. is concerned, I think we need to hear not only the Ray Kurzweils of the world, but also the Bill Joys, too ...

... at the end of the day, I don't trust any Technocracy. Period.

As Edward O. Wilson put it, we have Medieval institutions run by people with Paleolithic brains with godlike powers.

 

[FireDragon76]

And in any case, AI does wjhat it's told to do. It's software, not Frankenstein's Monster. It doesn't want. It doesn't think. It doesn't believe. It doesn't feel. It does what its designers/writers make it do. It doesn't become self aware because there no self for it to be aware of. It isn't C3PO, or Commander Data, the Tin Woodman, M5, or SkyNet. Those are all esentially magical machine intelligences; in effect Mechanical Men. HAL 9000 may be ther nearest thing to a fictional AI, that went on a homicidal murder spree that was essentially due to a fairly frightening bug in its programming. and it was neutralized by the real-world expedient of turning it off.

It's true that AI will do what it's told, but the real danger with A.I is what human beings will do with it.

 

[Semper-Fi]

Well Lord knows you can't write twisted, subtle, fraudulent, or enigmatic stuff without the help of some software.

Sounds like it's talking about engineers. <Laugh>

AI Has Already Become a Master of Lies And Deception, Scientists Warn

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Many artificial intelligence (AI) systems are already skilled at deceiving and manipulating humans – and this could ‘spiral’ in future, experts have warned.

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