Gene2memE

Newbie
Oct 22, 2013
4,178
6,394
✟280,042.00
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Private
youtu.be/F-d4zfovcog?t=141

Why Is There No Record of Ancient Humans?

Carlson is wrong here. There is a significant record of ancient humans - just not a written record. We have 10,000s of artifacts from anatomically modern humans: stone tools, burial sites, cave paintings with associated tools, fire pits, rubbish sites, shell beads and others that all date back 100,000+ years.

What Carlson (and others of similar ilk) don't understand is that behavioural modernity is much younger than anatomical modernity. Just because a homo sapiens from 200,000 to 300,000 years ago looked broadly similar to us (modern humans) in terms of their physical features, it does not mean they had broadly similar intelligence to us.

Societal advancement to the point where sedentary civilisations could develop required a series of major technological breakthroughs. The domestication of plants and animals, invention of irrigation, development of smooth tools and pottery, and permanent housing. These in turn led to a major population breakthroughs (the Neolithic Demographic Transitions), but these took several thousand years to occur.

As someone with education in history and a little bit of palentology, it's so frustrating to see things mis-represented to conform to some wishful thinking.
 
Upvote 0

JohnEmmett

Well-Known Member
Jan 21, 2017
5,150
461
Salt Lake City
Visit site
✟131,330.00
Country
United States
Faith
Buddhist
Marital Status
Celibate
similar to us (modern humans) in terms of their physical features, it does not mean they had broadly similar intelligence to us

they built the pyramids, because they could


no one since, because they can't


this implies a decline…
 
Last edited:
Upvote 0

Estrid

Well-Known Member
Feb 10, 2021
9,929
3,297
39
Hong Kong
✟155,670.00
Country
Hong Kong
Faith
Skeptic
Marital Status
In Relationship
Carlson is wrong here. There is a significant record of ancient humans - just not a written record. We have 10,000s of artifacts from anatomically modern humans: stone tools, burial sites, cave paintings with associated tools, fire pits, rubbish sites, shell beads and others that all date back 100,000+ years.

What Carlson (and others of similar ilk) don't understand is that behavioural modernity is much younger than anatomical modernity. Just because a homo sapiens from 200,000 to 300,000 years ago looked broadly similar to us (modern humans) in terms of their physical features, it does not mean they had broadly similar intelligence to us.

Societal advancement to the point where sedentary civilisations could develop required a series of major technological breakthroughs. The domestication of plants and animals, invention of irrigation, development of smooth tools and pottery, and permanent housing. These in turn led to a major population breakthroughs (the Neolithic Demographic Transitions), but these took several thousand years to occur.

As someone with education in history and a little bit of palentology, it's so frustrating to see things mis-represented to conform to some wishful thinking.
Of course it's not " just because" but there is no reason to
think (H)omo sapiens was less intelligent a quarter millionyears ago than today.
 
Upvote 0

Gene2memE

Newbie
Oct 22, 2013
4,178
6,394
✟280,042.00
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Private
There is significant evidence of such. The size of the human brain is roughly the same as it was 300,000 years ago, but the shape and structure are different. The genetic evidence points to changes in the neocortex starting close to 100,000 years ago and continuing to around 12,000 years ago.

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.aao5961

Quantitative uniqueness of human brain evolution revealed through phylogenetic comparative analysis | eLife

https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.0500692102
 
  • Informative
Reactions: Astrophile
Upvote 0

Estrid

Well-Known Member
Feb 10, 2021
9,929
3,297
39
Hong Kong
✟155,670.00
Country
Hong Kong
Faith
Skeptic
Marital Status
In Relationship
There is significant evidence of such. The size of the human brain is roughly the same as it was 300,000 years ago, but the shape and structure are different. The genetic evidence points to changes in the neocortex starting close to 100,000 years ago and continuing to around 12,000 years ago.

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.aao5961

Quantitative uniqueness of human brain evolution revealed through phylogenetic comparative analysis | eLife

https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.0500692102
Thanks.

I will study this
 
Upvote 0
This site stays free and accessible to all because of donations from people like you.
Consider making a one-time or monthly donation. We appreciate your support!
- Dan Doughty and Team Christian Forums

Gene2memE

Newbie
Oct 22, 2013
4,178
6,394
✟280,042.00
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Private

You believe in evolution, I believe in decline

Evasion and dissembling noted. Also, I don't believe in evolution, I accept it provisionally as the best supported theory explaining the available evidence.

I repeat my questions though:

How old do you think the pyramids are?

How old do you think human behavioural modernity is?
 
Upvote 0

JohnEmmett

Well-Known Member
Jan 21, 2017
5,150
461
Salt Lake City
Visit site
✟131,330.00
Country
United States
Faith
Buddhist
Marital Status
Celibate
Last edited:
Upvote 0

Estrid

Well-Known Member
Feb 10, 2021
9,929
3,297
39
Hong Kong
✟155,670.00
Country
Hong Kong
Faith
Skeptic
Marital Status
In Relationship
There is significant evidence of such. The size of the human brain is roughly the same as it was 300,000 years ago, but the shape and structure are different. The genetic evidence points to changes in the neocortex starting close to 100,000 years ago and continuing to around 12,000 years ago.

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.aao5961

Quantitative uniqueness of human brain evolution revealed through phylogenetic comparative analysis | eLife

https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.0500692102
Said changes continuing during " ice age",
and ending with end of same, which afterall of human
history is roughly when pleistocene megafauna
became extinct and dog domestication,
agriculture etc begin.
A lot crowded in to a patch of
good weather.
 
Upvote 0
This site stays free and accessible to all because of donations from people like you.
Consider making a one-time or monthly donation. We appreciate your support!
- Dan Doughty and Team Christian Forums

Goonie

Not so Mystic Mog.
Site Supporter
Jun 13, 2015
10,077
9,634
47
UK
✟1,161,742.00
Country
United Kingdom
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Single
News flash! Dinosaur spotted!
IMG_20220630_150040.jpg
 
Upvote 0

jayem

Naturalist
Jun 24, 2003
15,293
6,998
72
St. Louis, MO.
✟378,183.00
Country
United States
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Married
News flash! Dinosaur spotted!

Yes! I have a pet theropod at home. His name is Casper. He’s molting right now, so he looks kinda ratty. Who says dinosaurs have tiny brains? Casper knows exactly how to get what he wants. And he can talk—though only when he feels like it. And just like other theropods, he can bite. Which hurts like hell.

702883FB-C369-47DD-A78A-171697E46C70.jpeg
 
  • Haha
Reactions: Goonie
Upvote 0