In heaven, will we be without sexual desire...?

[BryanW92]

I never said there would be. If you go back and read the thread title it says will there be sexual desire in heaven and that can mean a lot of different things to a lot of different people.

Sexual desire often starts out with a chance meeting or friendship and then grows into passion and romance and usually ends in kissing and sex. I'm pretty sure there will be friendship and kissing in heaven. I can't see God banning that. lol

'Greet ye one another with a kiss of love. Peace be with you all that are in Christ Jesus. Amen.' 1Pet. 5:14

If we'll have sexual desire in heaven, then it is logical to assume that we'll have all other desires as well: greed, hunger, pride, etc. If that is true, then what is the point of heaven and resurrection? An eternity of lust?


When we are raised up to be in heaven, it will be in perfected bodies. That doesn't mean "buff, healthy, and pretty". It means perfected in a way that we have a hard time even imagining, and most people can't imagine it because they are too tied to their flesh.


Spending eternity satisfying the desires of the flesh is how muslims view heaven, because their religion celebrates the Natural Man. God calls his people to desire greater things than the needs and wants of the flesh and when we join with him one day, he will be our only desire.

 

[Alithis]

Simple question: In heaven, will we be without sexual desire...?

the old corrupted body is put off-no more flesh and blood
the new incorruptible body is put on.

it is perfect ,it is sinless,it is incapable of inclination to evil.
the old is done away with. the old directive to be fruitful and multiply is therefore ended.

we are made "like" the angels who do not marry nor are given in marriage.
to marry is for man and woman to couple in the flesh.. we will not be flesh .

we will not remember the former things.
with all purpose of sexuality removed from the very nature of being,there can be no inclination,no desire for it.we wont even have the ability to know ,ever again, the bondage to carnal desire.we will know rest from all such striving.

 

[pescador]

The above posts refer to sexual desire as a lust equivalent to greed, hunger, and pride, and a bondage to carnal desire. To me these are troubling views.

Sexual desire is a gift from God. It can be perverted into a consuming lust fueled by sin but that isn't God's original intent. In Genesis 2 it says "the man said, "This is now bone of my bones, And flesh of my flesh; She shall be called Woman, Because she was taken out of Man." For this reason a man shall leave his father and his mother, and be joined to his wife; and they shall become one flesh. And the man and his wife were both naked and were not ashamed." This is hardly lust! It speaks of a spiritual joining of two people with a carnal desire that has no shame.

When we are resurrected I believe that we will have the same relation to each other as Adam and Eve had before the fall. That's my belief, but it's impossible to say with certainty what it will be like.

 

[RDKirk]

Sexual desire is a gift from God. It can be perverted into a consuming lust fueled by sin but that isn't God's original intent. In Genesis 2 it says "the man said, "This is now bone of my bones, And flesh of my flesh; She shall be called Woman, Because she was taken out of Man." For this reason a man shall leave his father and his mother, and be joined to his wife; and they shall become one flesh. And the man and his wife were both naked and were not ashamed." This is hardly lust! It speaks of a spiritual joining of two people with a carnal desire that has no shame.

When we are resurrected I believe that we will have the same relation to each other as Adam and Eve had before the fall. That's my belief, but it's impossible to say with certainty what it will be like.

That relationship--you quoted it yourself--was marriage. Jesus quoted that same verse in specific reference to marriage. Yet He also said there would be no marriage in heaven.

 

[pescador]

That relationship--you quoted it yourself--was marriage. Jesus quoted that same verse in specific reference to marriage. Yet He also said there would be no marriage in heaven.

Adam and Eve weren't married.

 

[ToBeBlessed]

the old corrupted body is put off-no more flesh and blood
the new incorruptible body is put on.

it is perfect ,it is sinless,it is incapable of inclination to evil.
the old is done away with. the old directive to be fruitful and multiply is therefore ended.

we are made "like" the angels who do not marry nor are given in marriage.
to marry is for man and woman to couple in the flesh.. we will not be flesh .

we will not remember the former things.
with all purpose of sexuality removed from the very nature of being,there can be no inclination,no desire for it.we wont even have the ability to know ,ever again, the bondage to carnal desire.we will know rest from all such striving.

I am looking forward to this day. When I receive my new body.

 

[fozzy]

If we'll have sexual desire in heaven, then it is logical to assume that we'll have all other desires as well: greed, hunger, pride, etc. If that is true, then what is the point of heaven and resurrection? An eternity of lust?

No it's not logical to assume that. Passion and desire are not always evil especially if they are sanctified. Have you never heard of the 'passion of Christ' - Acts 1:3

 

[fozzy]

Sexual desire is a gift from God. It can be perverted into a consuming lust fueled by sin but that isn't God's original intent. In Genesis 2 it says "the man said, "This is now bone of my bones, And flesh of my flesh; She shall be called Woman, Because she was taken out of Man." For this reason a man shall leave his father and his mother, and be joined to his wife; and they shall become one flesh. And the man and his wife were both naked and were not ashamed." This is hardly lust! It speaks of a spiritual joining of two people with a carnal desire that has no shame.

This is what I was trying to say but you said it better. Sexual desire is not always evil. In a perfect world our desires and passions were sanctified and didn't get us into trouble. The bible says that God is jealous God and even his name is 'Jealous'. Ex. 34:14 Jealousy is a pretty passionate emotion to say the least.

 

[NannaNae]

the bible says their is no marriage in heaven and with the angels ... and he was talking about the "resurrection of the dead" there is no marriage for resurrected dead who did not overcome. ...or they will be like the angels..If they are saved.

but he wasn't talking about the resurrection, then rapture of the living( He is the God of Abraham, Isaac and they are alive now , he is not God of the dead but of the living )..
resurrected then raptured to the earth and His kingdom in these 7 days of mankinds AGES .

we prove to be faithful / true or we will be counted with the dead.


18Then the Sadducees, who say there is no resurrection, came to him with a question. 19“Teacher,” they said, “Moses wrote for us that if a man’s brother dies and leaves a wife but no children, the man must marry the widow and raise up offspring for his brother. 20Now there were seven brothers. The first one married and died without leaving any children. 21The second one married the widow, but he also died, leaving no child. It was the same with the third. 22In fact, none of the seven left any children. Last of all, the woman died too. 23At the resurrectionc whose wife will she be, since the seven were married to her?”

24Jesus replied, “Are you not in error because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God? 25When the dead rise, they will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven. 26Now about the dead rising—have you not read in the Book of Moses, in the account of the burning bush, how God said to him, ‘I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’d ? 27He is not the God of the dead, but of the living. You are badly mistaken!”

 

[RDKirk]

This is what I was trying to say but you said it better. Sexual desire is not always evil. In a perfect world our desires and passions were sanctified and didn't get us into trouble. The bible says that God is jealous God and even his name is 'Jealous'. Ex. 34:14 Jealousy is a pretty passionate emotion to say the least.

"Evil" doesn't have anything to do with it. Being chilly in the arctic and desiring a parka is not evil either. But if you're in a warm climate, you don't need a parka.

The scriptural indication "there is no marrying and giving in to marriage" is that there is no need for procreation for the resurrected in heaven.

It has nothing to do with being "evil" it has to do with sexual desire being a present need of the flesh which won't then be needed...especially when there will be so many other things to do.

 

[RDKirk]

Adam and Eve weren't married.

Yes, they were. God Himself performed the ceremony.

 

[NannaNae]

marriage is what happens in a bedroom not what happened in a church..

that is why the marriages were annulled if they had not been
'consummated'.....

it is the consummated part that is a marriage!

it never had anything to do with a church , government, or a pastor or priest or judge.
it is what happens in a bed room or under the bleachers at prom or maybe the back seat of some car...

 

[fozzy]

"Evil" doesn't have anything to do with it. Being chilly in the arctic and desiring a parka is not evil either. But if you're in a warm climate, you don't need a parka.

The scriptural indication "there is no marrying and giving in to marriage" is that there is no need for procreation for the resurrected in heaven.

It has nothing to do with being "evil" it has to do with sexual desire being a present need of the flesh which won't then be needed...especially when there will be so many other things to do.

Once again I am talking about passion and desire not marriage. The bible says that God is a Jealous God. Is jealousy passionate? Yes, it is.

 

[fozzy]

marriage is what happens in a bedroom not what happened in a church..

that is why the marriages were annulled if they had not been
'consummated'.....

it is the consummated part that is a marriage!

it never had anything to do with a church , government, or a pastor or priest or judge.
it is what happens in a bed room or under the bleachers at prom or maybe the back seat of some car...

Someone else brought this up and is correct. The ancient understanding of marriage was the act of intercourse not a ceremony like its viewed today.

 

[dabro]

Unless you cannot control yourself. Why wouldn't there be a desire to be one but can control your body to the point it was and is submitted just like what Jesus did.......If we become like our Master. We will have Crowns. Positions in Heaven far beyond just wanting to have sex. Doesn't mean you won't have the desire but can you not control your body to the point it is submits to control. Also I never thought Heaven to be a place where sex exist but if it does it will be looked at in the right light and not the erotic type we have here on Earth.

 

[NannaNae]

Once again I am talking about passion and desire not marriage. The bible says that God is a Jealous God. Is jealousy passionate? Yes, it is.

you want a theory? or a verse or provable facts.. like a scientist?

you want to know just the emotional passion of lust ?
you have to make your question more clear.

I mean if you think there is burning burning lust in heaven ? ... heaven may not be your kind of place.

but a theory I have , I actually got it from my kid and I loved it..

is that our body temperature may have changed at the fall and it may change during one of the ages yet to come..

here is his reasoning.
when man fell. God cursed him to have to plant and garden plow and sweat .. not just tend a beautiful garden like they did before the fall, but to plow up the ground.. but to have to work the soils , plow and such.. and tend the animals for food.. what if the fall raised our body temperature and with it the increase in our need for food and hormones and everything , just everything.

so what if burning burning hell entered into us and we needed .. got more needy.. greedy and seedy... needing something all the time..

and say what if a biological change or a restoration of what we were created to be. means we need way less food and just way less needy about everything... we could spend more time enjoying and way less time in searching to fill the black hole inside that burns up everything it touches. and needy , needy and greedy and even less time trying to fill our bellies and meet all of our all consuming needs. or the constant fight to control those greedy needy seedy parts of us who are never content .

what if a 5-10 degree change in body temperature with that new body means no more consuming and burning burning up of anything we come into contact with ? does it mean we will be with out love or passion or compassion . of course not..
it just means that us meeting our own needs or us fighting our own needs.. wont be an issue.. and perfection and enjoyment of everything around us will become a lot more important. like when we were children.. do children stop loving or stop having excitement? of course not..

but NOW is that biological change happing during the 1000 years or only after the 8thday ?
I am sure that there was a biological change in humanity at the fall.. so what all changed.. besides the huge increased need for food to fuel our biologicals..


I don't know. but I do know what we were created to be and what we are now is vastly different..

so if we return to what he created us to be means we can control ourselves easily ... but we better or have to prove we will and are willing to control ourselves now.. or why would he give anyone another body to destroy?

 

[RDKirk]

Once again I am talking about passion and desire not marriage. The bible says that God is a Jealous God. Is jealousy passionate? Yes, it is.

That would then be unrequitable passion and desire, which would be torture. Scripture says, "it's better to marry than to burn." If there is no marriage in heaven--and Jesus said there was not--then there would not be sexual desire.

This doesn't mean there won't be friendship in Heaven, but it does mean there would not be exclusive friendships--everyone will love each other both deeply and equally.

 

[Neogaia777]

If angels are neither male nor female, and their is no marriage in heaven, (other than to the lamb, Jesus Christ), nor carnal desires in an angelic body, then how did 1/3 of the angels fall and have sex with human women, does this mean sexual intercourse or something like spiritual violations akin to sex?

 

[RDKirk]

If angels are neither male nor female, and their is no marriage in heaven, (other than to the lamb, Jesus Christ), nor carnal desires in an angelic body, then how did 1/3 of the angels fall and have sex with human women, does this mean sexual intercourse or something like spiritual violations akin to sex?

The meaning of the interpretation of Genesis 6:4 is up to debate. There's not much wiggle room with "At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven."

When proposition A is clear and proposition B is already debatable, the question is whether there is a problem with the understanding of proposition B.

Jesus very clear words is cause to go with the interpreters who believe "sons of God" refers either to earthly kings or to the lineage of Seth...something other than angels.

 

[BryanW92]

No it's not logical to assume that. Passion and desire are not always evil especially if they are sanctified. Have you never heard of the 'passion of Christ' - Acts 1:3

Yes, I have. And you are using it so far out of context that I have to assume that you are joking. That "passion" comes from the Greek word for "to suffer".