Young Earth Creation as opposed to Old Earth Creation (aka evolution lite)

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0+0 does not =1. This is conservation of energy (not restricted to thermodynamics or whatever) 0+0=1 would be something for free. This is not our universe. Again i need someone to of their own accord find an article and link it. Thank you for your time.

Stop posting gibberish. You made a statement that just sounded good (to you) and you don't like being called out on it.

Don't worry you will find nothing via link that will back up your statement because your comment made no sense whatsoever. It was pure bunk.

When you make a specific statement involving something that can be written down mathematically and then utilised as part of a proof then you had better be able to show that. Otherwise it is a bit of an embarrassment.
 
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I didnt realise you believed in evolution even if i had i probably still would of used the "delusional" term. If anyone cares please google "trisomy 21, trisomy 18, trisomy 13" in google images. This is what happens when a part or whole chromosome gets duplicated. This is the alleged "driving" force behind evolution.
 
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I didnt realise you believed in evolution even if i had i probably still would of used the "delusional" term. If anyone cares please google "trisomy 21, trisomy 18, trisomy 13" in google images. This is what happens when a part or whole chromosome gets duplicated. This is the alleged "driving" force behind evolution.

Now you are performing a nice example of bait and switch. Let's stay on point.

You made a statement that should be amenable to mathematical proof. But of course you just made something up you thought sounded good but in reality it was some nonsense and you cannot show what you claim.

Might I add - typical creationist fare. One of the few areas where plumbers and car salesman suddenly become scientific experts in their own mind and love telling the professionals how to do their job.

I don't go around making statements I cannot back up. Maybe you should think about that before embarrassing yourself. It is also disingenuous.
 
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Do you believe animals/plants/human beings came from inorganic matter ~3.5 billion years ago?

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Abiogenesis
or biopoiesis is the study of how biological life could arise from inorganic matter through natural processes.

Bait and switch is a method used on evolutionary biology websites and by evolutionary biologists. They will use the term "evolution" in the sense meaning "change over time" (a 5 year old agrees this happens, it was different yesterday than it is today, there has been "change over time") and then later in the literature/blog/speech it will be in the context of "plants/animals/human beings came from a prokaryote ~3.5 billion years ago". They bait with the observed meaning of it then switch to the fairytale.
 
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Might I add - typical creationist fare.

Maybe you should think about that before embarrassing yourself.

It's statements like these that lead people to question your faith. If Jinx made an incorrect statement, fine. Correct him, and move on, but to berate and belittle doesn't teach, it only breeds resentment. And you claim you are a Christian (which I'm not challenging) yet seem not to believe in creation. Then how do you believe we got here?

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It's statements like these that lead people to question your faith. If Jinx made an incorrect statement, fine.
I get sick of the disingenuous nature of it all. When you make a very specific claim that would be amenable to mathematical demonstration (if it was true) but it turns out the person basically made it up and they cannot show any such thing then I shall call it out for what it is.

By the way - still want to use that "Encyclopaedia"?
 
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I get sick of the disingenuous nature of it all. When you make a very specific claim that would be amenable to mathematical demonstration (if it was true) but it turns out the person basically made it up and they cannot show any such thing then I shall call it out for what it is.

By the way - still want to use that "Encyclopaedia"?

It's fine to get frustrated, but what good comes of creating resentment? God has given you a unique opportunity to teach here, but no one will be willing to learn if your words drive them away. Take this instance with Jinx for example. Take what happened between you and I. I can point to dozens of posts where you have a perfect opportunity to teach and yet choose the verbal jab. Btw, you didn't answer my question, and I'm very curious. If you don't believe in creation, then how do you think we got here?

May God Richly Bless You! MM
 
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I want to post the method used as the foundation of the neodarwinian delusion/hypothesis but i cant until someone presents one piece of full peer reviewed genetics literature on neofunctionalization/gene duplication. NCBI has free full literature articles on the topic. PLEASE lol SOMEONE SEARCH SOME AND PERUSE IT THEN LINK IT.Thank you.
 
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Btw, you didn't answer my question, and I'm very curious. If you don't believe in creation, then how do you think we got here?
By mechanism? I don't know. By inspiration, God.

Oh, and just to clarify, I am meaning life not human kind.
 
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Thank you Metal Minister. Professor Richard Dawkins is the worlds unofficial spokesman for the neodarwinian delusion/hypothesis. He intentionally deceives his readers of his books that evolution is a "fact, a scientific fact, a fact as sure as any other established fact" and that anyone who doesnt believe in evolution is "ignorant, stupid or insane (or wicked but hed rather not consider that)".

He is asked "Can you give an example of a genetic mutation or an evolutionary process which can be seen to increase the information in the genome". Aka-id like to know of the evidence please? watch as he fails to directly address the question and (paraphrased) says "we dont observe it today because it started and stopped happening in the unobserved past".

Science

The observation, identification, description, experimental investigation, and theoretical explanation of phenomena.

Please take note of the words OBSERVATION, DESCRIPTION,EXPERIMENTAL INVESTIGATION and explanation of PHENOMENA.

Neodarwinain theory/fish to human being delusion is not science.


Religion

a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.




"a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe"

especially does not mean "restricted to".

Neodarwinian delusion is a faith based belief/it is religious.








 
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He is asked "Can you give an example of a genetic mutation or an evolutionary process which can be seen to increase the information in the genome". Aka-id like to know of the evidence please? watch as he fails to directly address the question and (paraphrased) says "we dont observe it today because it started and stopped happening in the unobserved past".

Please be wary about this sort of thing from creationist sources, just on a quick Google search of the interviewer question I found this:
Creationist Deception Exposed

Also might I add that your "paraphrase" is nowhere close to what little he said in regards to the question on that clip, in fact I'd probably lean towards him answering a different question once they started filming again.
 
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Please be wary about this sort of thing from creationist sources, just on a quick Google search of the interviewer question I found this:
Creationist Deception Exposed

Also might I add that your "paraphrase" is nowhere close to what little he said in regards to the question on that clip, in fact I'd probably lean towards him answering a different question once they started filming again.

There is no 'creationist deception'. The only position that matches all the facts and that which the facts demand is the six-day creation position as it is taught in Genesis. All other positions are pretenders at both scripture and science and they must use tortured logic, twisted thinking, and ideas that are the result of years of mental conditioning to not see the truth of the matter.

The Lord Jesus Christ and the authors of the N.T. confirmed all the Moses said and there isn't a single hint anywhere in scripture that the literal understanding of Genesis is anything less than historical and true.

"For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day..." Exodus20:11.

No one, including skeptics of scripture will ever escape the force and truthfulness of these words and the historical nature of them, for after His return the Lord Jesus Christ will (1)judge the heretics, & (2) correct his erring saints who accepted any aspect of Darwinian thought (old or neo). There will be a lot of tears and shame before Him when He gives His loving rebuke to those who believed Darwin over Moses.

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Obviously you didn't read the link, it's quite easily far more of an adequate explanation than that a Biology lecturer would get tongue tied on a basic upon basic question.

I'd disagree about Christ and the Apostles confirming the writings of Moses as anything other than Scripture.

I also find it interesting that you are saying I disagree with Moses, most people in your position say I disagree with God, I'd much rather be disagreeing with a 19th Century reading of a 7th Century BC text than disagreeing with God, that's what I believe I am doing and so would actually say I agree with the human autho- as far as I understand-him far more, after all this is what we want to achieve when reading any other piece of literature, yes the word of God is a piece of literature, it is far more than that but at probably its most basic level it is a piece of literature.
 
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Obviously you didn't read the link, it's quite easily far more of an adequate explanation than that a Biology lecturer would get tongue tied on a basic upon basic question.

I'd disagree about Christ and the Apostles confirming the writings of Moses as anything other than Scripture.

I also find it interesting that you are saying I disagree with Moses, most people in your position say I disagree with God, I'd much rather be disagreeing with a 19th Century reading of a 7th Century BC text than disagreeing with God, that's what I believe I am doing and so would actually say I agree with the human autho- as far as I understand-him far more, after all this is what we want to achieve when reading any other piece of literature, yes the word of God is a piece of literature, it is far more than that but at probably its most basic level it is a piece of literature.

I've read many like it through the years. They are all wrong.

That's correct. If you differ with what God inspired Moses to write as historical then your position is in error. It is a very serious error and there is no excuse for it because the authors of scripture discussed Genesis as historical and literal. They never differentiated characters (Adam, Eve, Seth, Cain, Abel, Enoch, Noah, nor Abraham as compared with David, Solomon, Elijah, Isaiah, Daniel, etc.) as though the early chapters of Genesis were allegorial, symbolical,, etc. and the later O.T. characters as literal and historical. This is why your error & those of like mind with you in that error is so dreadful.

But a sampling of the literal and historical nature of the characters, events, and occurrences in Genesis is very evident in:

“For Adam was first formed, then Eve” (I Tim. 2:13-15). This verse is a direct endorsement of the Creation account!

• “Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses.” (Rom. 5:14).

• “the first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam [Christ] was made a quickening spirit” (I Cor. 15:45). Christ, as the second Adam, is a type of the first.

• “For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive” (I Cor. 15:22).

• “And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam.” (Jude 1:14-15). Genealogies in the Old Testament are very extensive. When summarized in the New Testament, this validates the detailed renditions in the Old Testament.

Not only so but not only do the scripture shoot down any honest consideration of Darwinian philosophy but the scientific evidences available to all of us favors creationism and the Noahic flood and not evolution. It isn't even close.
 
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Please be wary about this sort of thing from creationist sources, just on a quick Google search of the interviewer question I found this:
Creationist Deception Exposed

Also might I add that your "paraphrase" is nowhere close to what little he said in regards to the question on that clip, in fact I'd probably lean towards him answering a different question once they started filming again.
This doesn't really prove there were any deception expect for Dawkin's word. Dawkin seem to loves the media attention and just trying to cry fowl when it doesn't go the way he wanted it. It's the same with a movie star or a sport star like Tiger Woods. They alway welcome the media when it in their favor yet the media can come back and bite you.
 
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I could post Barry Willaims analysis of the video where he says " “I will state categorically that the audio tape of the interview 100% supports Gillian Brown's contention that Dawkins couldn't answer the question. Here is the relevant transcript" but i cant post links.

Progmonk, have you considered he couldnt/didnt answer it BECAUSE IT HAS NEVER BEEN OBSERVED y/n?

I have more.
 
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I could post Barry Willaims analysis of the video where he says " “I will state categorically that the audio tape of the interview 100% supports Gillian Brown's contention that Dawkins couldn't answer the question. Here is the relevant transcript" but i cant post links.

Progmonk, have you considered he couldnt/didnt answer it BECAUSE IT HAS NEVER BEEN OBSERVED y/n?

I have more.

You are quite correct on this but do you really expect them to deal with this matter honestly? They don't care if it has been observed or not they believe in evolution despite the facts.

But go for it, jinx. I'm with you all the way.
 
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