WHAT DOES APOSTASIA ( FALLING AWAY ) IN 2 THESS 2:3 ?

[iamlamad]

2 Thess 2:3 reads , Let no man deceive you by any means , for ( that day shall not come ) except there come a FALLING AWAY FIRST , and that man of sin be revealed , the son of perdition .

#1 Some say that when believers , straighten out , Christ will come for us .

#2 The Greek word APOSTASIA is translated ,, by Falling Away , by KJV and the NKJV .

#3 The NIV and the CSB translate APOSTASIA , by APOSTASY .

#4 The RSV and the NET translate APOSTASIA , by REBELLION .

What say you ?

dan p

A significant departing...one that all would recognize.

 

[Dan Perez]

A significant departing...one that all would recognize.

One man wrote a book to explain what would happen to cars and airplanes and large ships IF those driving those vehicles disappeared and the accidents they would cause , when Christ comes back for the B O C .

dan p

 

[Clare73]

One man wrote a book to explain what would happen to cars and airplanes and large ships IF those driving those vehicles disappeared and the accidents they would cause , when Christ comes back for the B O C .

dan p

According to NT apostolic teaching, which specifically locates the resurrection, rapture, second coming and final judgment all in the last day, the body of Christ is raptured at the one and only resurrection at the end of time.

 

[Dan Perez]

According to NT apostolic teaching, which specifically locates the resurrection, rapture, second coming and final judgment all in the last day, the body of Christ is raptured at the one and only resurrection at the end of time.

If you will say who apostolic teaching and what the LAST DAY and what the END OF TIME is can help us understand your position ?

dan p

 

[Clare73]

If you will say who apostolic teaching and what the LAST DAY and what the END OF TIME is can help us understand your position

Jesus locates the resurrection in the last day (John 6:39).
Paul locates the resurrection with the rapture (1 Thessalonians 4:16).
Jesus locates the rapture with the second coming (Matthew 24:39-41).
Jesus locates the second coming with the judgment of the sheep and goats (Matthew 25:31-33).

So in terms of the time of their occurence,

the last day = resurrection = rapture = second coming = final judgment of sheep and goats (all mankind)

(and the resurrection being in the last day with the judgment of the sheep and goats--all mankind,
thereby making only one resurrection. . .of all mankind).

 

[iamlamad]

According to NT apostolic teaching, which specifically locates the resurrection, rapture, second coming and final judgment all in the last day, the body of Christ is raptured at the one and only resurrection at the end of time.

One would think apostolic teaching would be correct. Go figure.

 

[iamlamad]

Jesus locates the resurrection in the last day (John 6:39).
Paul locates the resurrection with the rapture (1 Thessalonians 4:16).
Jesus locates the rapture with the second coming (Matthew 24:39-41).
Jesus locates the second coming with the judgment of the sheep and goats (Matthew 25:31-33).

So in terms of the time of their occurence,

the last day = resurrection = rapture = second coming = final judgment of sheep and goats (all mankind)

(and the resurrection being in the last day with the judgment of the sheep and goats--all mankind,
thereby making only one resurrection. . .of all mankind).

Jesus locates A resurrection in the last day (John 6:39). (The resurrection of physical descendants of Jacob.)
Paul locates A resurrection with the rapture (1 Thessalonians 4:16). (The resurrection of those in Christ.)
Jesus locates a gathering (not the rapture) with the second coming (Matthew 24:39-41).
Jesus locates His Armageddon coming with the judgment of the sheep and goats (Matthew 25:31-33).

So in terms of the time of their occurence,

Jesus comes (2nd coming) to rapture the church just before wrath (6th seal).
The catching up of the 144,000 (around the 7th trumpet.)
The resurrection of the OT saints (7th vial) (along with the Two Witnesses and the beheaded.) (1st resurrection.)
Marriage and Supper in heaven, all saints present and accounted for - all in resurrection bodies.
Jesus comes (The third coming) to Armageddon. The armies in heaven (Saints and angels) follow Christ down.
Some unknown time later, the sheep and goat judgment.
This is God's order. Scripture rightly divided and correctly understood.

 

[Clare73]

Jesus locates A resurrection in the last day (John 6:39). (The resurrection of physical descendants of Jacob.)
Paul locates A resurrection with the rapture (1 Thessalonians 4:16). (The resurrection of those in Christ.)
Jesus locates a gathering (not the rapture) with the second coming (Matthew 24:39-41).
Jesus locates His Armageddon coming with the judgment of the sheep and goats (Matthew 25:31-33).

So in terms of the time of their occurence,

Jesus comes (2nd coming) to rapture the church just before wrath (6th seal).
The catching up of the 144,000 (around the 7th trumpet.)
The resurrection of the OT saints (7th vial) (along with the Two Witnesses and the beheaded.) (1st resurrection.)
Marriage and Supper in heaven, all saints present and accounted for - all in resurrection bodies.
Jesus comes (The third coming) to Armageddon. The armies in heaven (Saints and angels) follow Christ down.
Some unknown time later, the sheep and goat judgment.
This is God's order. Scripture rightly divided and correctly understood.

Typical dispensational methodology of multiplying things and events which are the same, from the body of Christ to the final judgement, all made necessary by their extra coming of Christ (before the tribulation), which the NT does not teach, making duplications necessary so as not to contradict the NT's location of these events with the coming of Christ after the tribulation.

 

[iamlamad]

Typical dispensational methodology of multiplying things and events which are the same, from the body of Christ to the final judgement, all made necessary by their extra coming of Christ (before the tribulation), which the NT does not teach, making duplications necessary so as not to contradict the NT's location of these events with the coming of Christ after the tribulation.

(Emphasis added.)
Perhaps you should from now on say, "I have not found a coming before the tribulation."
The NT certainly teaches a coming before the tribulation.
Proof:
1. "The tirbulation" is referring to Daniel's 70th week and is found in Revelation 8 through 16.

2. 1 Thes. 4 and 5 shows us a coming just before the Day of the Lord and just before wrath.

2a. John shows us the start of wrath at the 6th seal.

3. Since the 6th seal comes before the 7th seal that begins "the tribulation," Paul shows us a PRE-TRIB coming of the Lord.

Many people miss the truth that the 70th week or tribulation will not begin in Revelation until the 7th seal is opened so that the Book can be opened. The book contains the tribulation.

In summary, Christ comes BEFORE the trib FOR His saints, then comes AFTER the trib WITH His saints, to Armageddon. This is what the scriptures tell us.

You don't like dispensations?

1 Corinthians 9:17
For if I do this thing willingly, I have a reward: but if against my will, a dispensation of the gospel is committed unto me.

We are IN this dispensation.

 

[Matt5]

What is the falling away?

When the entire world is forced to convert to the religion of the fake Jesus (false prophet). This is the religion of demons.

Note: There is a full planetary takeover by demons shortly before the real Jesus arrives.

Revelation 13:15 He was granted power to give breath to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak and cause as many as would not worship the image of the beast to be killed.

Worship the beast and take the mark, or die. This is religion talk.

Revelation 13:16 He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads,

1 Timothy 4:1 points out that those departing from the faith then follow a religion of demons:

1 Timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, ... .

Everybody joins the religion of demons, except a tiny portion of people hiding out in the wilderness.

Revelation 9:20 But the rest of mankind, who were not killed by these plagues, did not repent of the works of their hands, that they should not worship demons, and idols of gold, silver, brass, stone, and wood, which can neither see nor hear nor walk.

Because the Antichrist and fake Jesus are demons:

Sixth Bowl: Euphrates Dried Up

Revelation 16:12 Then the sixth angel poured out his bowl on the great river Euphrates, and its water was dried up, so that the way of the kings from the east might be prepared.
Revelation 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs coming out of the mouth of the dragon, out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
Revelation 16:14 For they are spirits of demons, performing signs, which go out to the kings [g]of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

"they will mingle with the seed of men"

What the heck does that snippet from Daniel 2:43 mean? "They" do not appear to be human. Daniel 2:43 is about the feet and toes from Nebuchadnezzar's statue which are made out of iron and clay. The iron appears to be "they", and the clay appears to be human.

Daniel 2:43 As you saw iron mixed with ceramic clay, they will mingle with the seed of men; but they will not adhere to one another, just as iron does not mix with clay.

Who are "they?"

Demons.

 

[Clare73]

(Emphasis added.)
Perhaps you should from now on say, "I have not found a coming before the tribulation."
The NT certainly teaches a coming before the tribulation.
Proof:
1. "The tirbulation" is referring to Daniel's 70th week and is found in Revelation 8 through 16.

However, all is assumptive and based on personal interpretation of prophetic riddles (Nu 12:8), subject to more than one interpretation,
and the schemata of which is contradictory to authoritative NT apostolic teaching.