Is modern secular society headed down the path to Sodom and Gomorrah.

[Zaha Torte]

I don't care about sealings. Why should I.

Having an interest in otters would be a prerequisite to having a discussion about otters.

If you "don't care about sealings" - then why do you engage in a discussion about Sealings?

Don't put words in my mouth. (I am familiar with the comedic literature on the topic of sexless marriage.)

You don't seem to be familiar with the idea of a sexless marriage since you keep claiming that the Prophet Joseph Smith Jr having multiple wives implies that he had sex with them.

It is hard to have a discussion when the opposing side is only quoting official propaganda.

It is important when discussing any topic to try and use only what has been proven.

We all know that Han shot first - we all saw it - and you lived it.

Does it really matter what other people say?

Would you consider the opinion of those who "don't care about Han Solo" to be as valuable or worthy of our attention as those who not only care but know he shot first?

 

[Hans Blaster]

Having an interest in otters would be a prerequisite to having a discussion about otters.

If you "don't care about sealings" - then why do you engage in a discussion about Sealings?

I'm not engaging is a conversation about 'sealings' and I don't care what ceremony was performed. I'm discussing a sex predator.

You don't seem to be familiar with the idea of a sexless marriage since you keep claiming that the Prophet Joseph Smith Jr having multiple wives implies that he had sex with them.

It is important when discussing any topic to try and use only what has been proven.

There is plenty of testimony about the sex part.

We all know that Han shot first - we all saw it - and you lived it.

Does it really matter what other people say?

Would you consider the opinion of those who "don't care about Han Solo" to be as valuable or worthy of our attention as those who not only care but know he shot first?

This is why I thought you might be a fun discussion partner. No one seems to get my reference that quick. But you clearly have your dander up about your church (which CF does not recognize) and that makes things kind of hard.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

He was a character in an old Japanese cartoon - the villain.

I didn't see much of the show - but I liked the name of that character.

That's an interesting choice for a screen name. But I realize, you're free to name your account as you please, mostly.

Do you believe that the evil sorcerer Zaha Torte and the prophet Mormon have something in common?

I don't think they're connected directly; however, it all depends on the intention and context of the user's choice.

There's a reason, though, I didn't choose "Spectra" as my own screen name. Whatever the case is, though, I'm done talking about this.

 

[Zaha Torte]

I'm not engaging is a conversation about 'sealings' and I don't care what ceremony was performed. I'm discussing a sex predator.

Yet without knowing what a Sealing is - you are not qualified to declare that anyone in regard to this topic is a sex predator.

There is plenty of testimony about the sex part.

I am sure you will find lots of third-hand accounts of people claiming all kinds of things.

Feel free to share any credible sources you want.

This is why I thought you might be a fun discussion partner.

As long as everyone involved is being reasonable and honest - I am a fun discussion partner.

No one seems to get my reference that quick.

That's a shame. It's a good one.

But you clearly have your dander up about your church (which CF does not recognize) and that makes things kind of hard.

CF recognizes that the LDS Church exists - they just do not believe it is a Christian Church.

I disagree - of course - but I'm not going to let it upset or offend. They are entitled to their opinion, and this is their site.

I do agree that being LDS on this site can be kind of difficult. Not being able to post on Christian Only threads for example.

It will be difficult to offend me though and I hope we can have fun discussions going forward.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Yet without knowing what a Sealing is - you are not qualified to declare that anyone in regard to this topic is a sex predator.

It doesn't matter what it is. The "sealing" isn't going to make anything that happened acceptable, or not happen.

I am sure you will find lots of third-hand accounts of people claiming all kinds of things.

Feel free to share any credible sources you want.

None of this is even remotely on topic and I doubt you would find any evidence that could be found convincing. There is no point to this.

 

[Zaha Torte]

It doesn't matter what it is. The "sealing" isn't going to make anything that happened acceptable, or not happen.

Without knowing what a Sealing is - you don't know what happened.

You have yet to even share any evidence to support what you think happened.

And by what standard are you judging what is or is not "acceptable"?

None of this is even remotely on topic and I doubt you would find any evidence that could be found convincing.

It is on topic in regard to the repeated claims that you have made. Claims that you have not even tried to support.

I would not be the one looking for evidence to support your claim.

There is no point to this.

That may be true at this point - but only because of you.

I wish we could talk about things openly and without judgment.

Yet - as I said - you are not prepared to have this discussion.

God bless.

 

[stevevw]

I'm not sure if you consider the Bible to be an accurate and reliable record of Gods Word, or if you take it seriously and literally. But I have been studying it with a Church group, with two theologians in the group to help us. I started out, thinking the Bible was just a book to teach people morals and guide us to make wise choices so we could live a happy, healthy and prosperous life.

As we studied the Bible, I found it to be just as relevant in our time as it was 2000 years ago, I found the prophesies to be the most amazing as the vast majority have already come to pass exactly as they were foretold. So I'm sure the remaining 10% in the the last book of the bible (the book of revelation) will also come to pass jut like all the others did.

I found, the more we studied the Bible, the more convinced became that it is a reliable and true in every respect. The things that Jesus said would happen to the world, before He returns are far more scary than any Hollywood horror movie. He described His Angel opening the door of hell, and all the Demons coming out and tormenting people for four months.
He said hey will go after everyone who doesn't have the seal of God on their forehead, He said the Demons would inflict unimaginable pain on people and the people won't be able to die. They will try to kill themselves as the pain is unbearable, but death will be removed from them.

This torment will last a full four months, four months may not sound like a long time but it will seem like an eternity to those who are suffering excruciating pain 24/7 and unable to die. The Demons will have a sting like a Scorpion, only much worse. God apparently planned this as a form of punishment for rebellious sinners.

The rebellious sinners, are currently laughing at Christians and mocking God, thinking there is no coming judgement or punishment for sin. But according o the Bible, they are in for a horrific shock.
My neighbor told me he doesn't believe in God, because so many murderers and child killers get away with their crimes. He is a law enforcement officer, so he was referring to all the cold cases where decades go by and the families never have closure of justice.
I told him that God promised to punish everyone according to their deeds. but he argued that God is indifferent if He exists. He said the creator probably created everything and let it unravel as it will, without interfering.

I wasn't able to convince him to join my Bible study group, he kept on dismissing the Bible as an irrelevant old book. I believe some people are born with a gift to believe in God while others can never be convinced, no matter what we say or do.

And some people were always going to resist Gods Word. As Christ said some look and do not see and listen and do not hear. I agree the Bible and God is becoming old school. old fashions and irrelevant and even seen as hateful and trouble making. You hear mainstream celebs claim they are Christians and then say people can come to God anyway they want and deny Christ as the way, truth and life.

We are heading for a showdown, a spiritual war. I think our present state is what it is, is what it has to be for Gods Kingdom to be established over evil. Evil has to run its course, Satan will always defy God and do it his way and will find a 1,000 ways to decieve so he has the world at the moment.

But as Satan is a counterfeit God he denies Gods truth and order in doing so and this can only lead to disorder and chaos as time goes by. But at the same time I think as this polarisation increases and Christians faith is tested there will be great signs of God which may save many.

Just like in times past where people mocked God and Christians testing God and asking Him to prove Himself God always will show who He is with great works and I think as we move closer to the end time there will be great signs that counter Satan and the anti Christ.

 

[BCP1928]

And some people were always going to resist Gods Word. As Christ said some look and do not see and listen and do not hear. I agree the Bible and God is becoming old school. old fashions and irrelevant and even seen as hateful and trouble making. You hear mainstream celebs claim they are Christians and then say people can come to God anyway they want and deny Christ as the way, truth and life.

The way to put an end to that is to stop being hateful and troublemaking about how people you don't even know do sex.

We are heading for a showdown, a spiritual war. I think our present state is what it is, is what it has to be for Gods Kingdom to be established over evil. Evil has to run its course, Satan will always defy God and do it his way and will find a 1,000 ways to decieve so he has the world at the moment.

I doubt that God and Satan will fight a spiritual war about how a small minority of humans do sex.

But as Satan is a counterfeit God he denies Gods truth and order

And, of course, you are in a unique position to tell us what God's truth and order are.

 

[BPPLEE]

The way to put an end to that is to stop being hateful and troublemaking about how people you don't even know do sex.

I doubt that God and Satan will fight a spiritual war about how a small minority of humans do sex.

And, of course, you are in a unique position to tell us what God's truth and order are.

Nobody cares how they have sex we just don’t want them to explain it to children.

 

[BCP1928]

Nobody cares how they have sex we just don’t want them to explain it to children.

Why not? Children should be learning about sex as they grow into sexual maturity of their own. Who would you have explain it to them?

 

[BPPLEE]

Why not? Children should be learning about sex as they grow into sexual maturity of their own. Who would you have explain it to them?

No one until they’re old enough. Certainly not K though 6

 

[HopeSings]

This question makes no sense. Why would you expect any thing different of society?

 

[BCP1928]

No one until they’re old enough. Certainly not K though 6

Old enough for what? By the 6th grade some of the girls will be menstruating already, some of the boys will be capable of erection and [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]. A few of them may already have had sexual intercourse or have been sexually molested in some way. Sexual nature is not something that turns on like a light at age 13. It's developmental, like all other aspects of maturation. It should be appropriately guided likewise.

 

[BPPLEE]

Old enough for what? By the 6th grade some of the girls will be menstruating already, some of the boys will be capable of erection and [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]. A few of them may already have had sexual intercourse or have been sexually molested in some way. Sexual nature is not something that turns on like a light at age 13. It's developmental, like all other aspects of maturation. It should be appropriately guided likewise.

Half of your post is censored but if you’re going to teach 6th graders graphic details about sex and homosexuality you’re going to get a lot of laughing, cutting up boys and embarrassed girls.

 

[stevevw]

The way to put an end to that is to stop being hateful and troublemaking about how people you don't even know do sex.

Whathas sex got to do with people denying Christ.

I doubt that God and Satan will fight a spiritual war about how a small minority of humans do sex.

You say I am fixated on sex. It seems for you everything is about sex.

And, of course, you are in a unique position to tell us what God's truth and order are.

Its not a unique position to know reality.

 

[BCP1928]

Half of your post is censored but if you’re going to teach 6th graders graphic details about sex and homosexuality you’re going to get a lot of laughing, cutting up boys and embarrassed girls.

And there is part of the problem. I used one word, a medical term for the emission of sperm. But it's too risque for a Christian site.

 

[BCP1928]

Whathas sex got to do with people denying Christ.

You say I am fixated on sex. It seems for you everything is about sex.

Everything you post is about sex; abortion, gay marriage, LGBT, feminism, no-fault divorce and on and on. Not so much about sex, but about how civilization is at risk because people aren't doing sex the way you think they should.

Its not a unique position to know reality.

If you are worried about the downfall of Western Civilization, there more dangers in front of us than how a small minority of the human race conducts itself about sex.

 

[Zaha Torte]

And there is part of the problem. I used one word, a medical term for the emission of sperm. But it's too risque for a Christian site.

It is not a problem to abide by the rules of this platform.

 

[dzheremi]

Half of your post is censored but if you’re going to teach 6th graders graphic details about sex and homosexuality you’re going to get a lot of laughing, cutting up boys and embarrassed girls.

To be fair, that's how it was when they taught sex ed starting when I was that age, and that didn't include any discussion of homosexuality. That's just 6th graders being 6th graders.

 

[Zaha Torte]

Everything you post is about sex; abortion, gay marriage, LGBT, feminism, no-fault divorce and on and on. Not so much about sex, but about how civilization is at risk because people aren't doing sex the way you think they should.

If you are worried about the downfall of Western Civilization, there more dangers in front of us than how a small minority of the human race conducts itself about sex.

Sin is - and will always be - the greatest danger to human happiness and flourishment.

Abortion is murder, marriage is only between a man and a woman, homosexuality and the other Letters are sin and should be avoided, feminism is inspired by Satan and divorce should not be an option outside of infidelity.

All of these things have eroded the family - just as Satan wanted - and only generate suffering and confusion - again - just as Satan wanted.