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Who is Mike Winger? Is he a good pastor? (What Denomination?)

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We need "examples" whom we know personally.

"nor as being lords over those entrusted to you, but being examples to the flock." (1 Peter 5:3)

So, I see how Jesus wants us to personally share with Christian people who are good examples for us, while we also learn to love any and all people and not allow wrong people to stop us and run us out.

So, I would say > even if he is a good example . . . if you do not know him personally, he is not good . . . I mean not good for you, or not good enough, since you need ones you know personally so you can feed on their example and learn with them how to please and submit to God and how to love any and all people.
 
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Did he teach from the bible ?
Did he teach on heaven and hell ?
Did he teach Christ crucified ?
Did he teach the finished work of the cross ?
Did he teach and spread the gospel message ?

Jesus Christ is the way the truth and the life. And He says you must be born again ( reborn of the spirit). If your pastor missed this part he missed the whole thing.
 
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Is Mike Winger a good pastor?
It's where I learned a lot of my stuff.

How do I know if he is good or not? I'm just guessing he is good.

I watched one of his messages,

Can I Trust Bible Translations: Evidence for the Bible pt17 - by Mike Winger

and it appears he is reasonable. I disagree with him about the relative merits of the "older" manuscripts. His position is reasonable, and many who oppose it are unaware that whereas the original Westcott and Hort text is somewhat extreme, the newer Greek critical texts are not as much.

I wish he had balanced it a little more by pointing out that the Byzantine texts are today well represented, not just the six or eight texts used by Erasmus. I do give him credit for objecting to the Bible-disbelieving footnotes in some bibles.

If you know him only from his website, I would encourage you to look for a good local church to attend. We don't all have the good fortune to have good pastors who preach in depth from the bible however, so by all means continue watching his messages to get some biblical insight. Also I would encourage you to read or listen to the bible, so you will recognize whether some teaching is biblical or not in more situations.

May God continue to bless you as you seek out His word.
 
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IMO, Mike Winger is among the best alive today. I say that with full confidence from 5 decades of experience across nearly every aspect of Christian doctrine and teaching (both online and offline) and - more importantly - from a very strong inner witness. Mike speaks in love, is very diligent in his study and research, fully respects the authority of scripture and the inspired word and seeks real truth (never his bias or opinion). I have not yet found error in any of his messages, and I have been blessed immeasurably through Mike's teachings. If I ever meet Mike in person, he's going to get a big bear hug from me.
 
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I have watched Mike Winger a lot. He is of the Darby dispensationalism lawless/disobedience clan. Here is what he says in his Hebrews roots series and salvation video. The law of God/Moses only started at Sinai and was only for the Jews. Jesus ended the law for us so we are not under it and don't have to obey it. Even the ministry of Christ was to the Jews/Israel. The command to obey is believe and love only. Jesus never obeyed the law of God only his law of love. Sin is moral wrong doing and nothing to do with the law of God. Those who inherit eternal life in Romans 2 who do something are not the saved. We don't have to do anything it is all about grace. It goes on and on and on. I could write a book on how they change the bible into Darby/Scofield. Is that enough to show you what a monster Mike Winger is? Yes he has some good things to say. They all do. But deep down he is walking in unrighteousness as Cain in 1 John 3.

I get trashed by the dispensationalists on his forumns for saying he is preaching his own bible. He is a clone of Andrew Farley, Joseph Prince and Les Feldick (hyper Les). Les says he wants to be known for his two gospels. Andrew Farley says anyone who teaches obedience is of the devil. So I guess Paul and Peter and Jesus and God himself are of the devil. So what is the goal. Throw out God's morality, what is right and wrong, and replace it with our own. Mike says lawlessness is sin that God reveals to us in the spirit. He is trying to say that we are our own morality. They all seem so good on certain subjects until you hear the blashpemy that they teach. It is subtle. I had to comment as one of these guys has ruined my family. A person that use to read the whole bible including the gospels now goes around telling us it is all about Paul and Paul is all we need. He even got mad when my mom was preparing a sermon from the gospels, the very words of our Savoir, Lord, Master and King. Peter warned us about people like Mike Winger.
 
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In response to negative feedback, I just want to reaffirm my previous response. I believe Mike Winger (biblethinker.com) is a true man of Jesus. I have not found him in error on any important topic; To the contrary, he has provided me with wisdom, deeper understanding and real insights on many aspects of scripture from Genesis to Revelation. I invite anyone who is objectively and skeptically seeking truth and understanding to view a few of Mike's series' on YouTube (Finding Jesus in the OT and The Mark Series are good places to start, and there are many others particularly relevant to the time in which we live). I believe you will be blessed. If what you hear does not resonate in your spirit, no problem, just keep searching... "Seek and you will find."
 
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We don't have to do anything it is all about grace.
Hebrews 12:4-14 says God corrects His children. And our Father's correction brings us to "become partakers of His holiness" in His love's "peaceable fruit of righteousness", I understand this scripture to mean.

And grace, ones say, is God's favor. Well, Hebrews 12:4-14 clearly says it is in our favor how our Father corrects us because He loves us.

"But if you are without chastening, of which all have become partakers, then you are illegitimate and not sons." (Hebrews 12:8)

God favors how Jesus is > Romans 8:29 and how Jesus has loved us > Ephesians 5:2, and His grace acting in our character changes us to become like Jesus, and to love like Jesus >

"And walk in love, as Christ also has loved us and given Himself for us, an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweet-smelling aroma." (Ephesians 5:2)

And God in us favors us, by ruling us in His own peace >

"And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to which also you were called in one body; and be thankful." (Colossians 3:15)

This is included, then, in our basic Christian calling > "to which also you were called in one body", our Apostle Paul does say. So > @Huygir > has Mike been making sure you know this is included in all which God's grace does in us?

And God is almighty; so His grace is almighty to get His results. We have in Philippians 4:6-7 how "the peace of God, which surpasses all understanding, will guard your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus." Does Mike make it clear how God's peace guards our hearts and minds? God is almighty; so His peace is almighty to be able to guard our hearts and minds against bitterness, frustration, anxiety and fear, lusts, confusion, hurts from our past, unforgiveness, and arguing and complaining stuff in us.

But, of course, this comes with doing what God's word says to do >

"Be anxious for nothing, but in everything by prayer and supplication, with thanksgiving, let your requests be made known to God; and the peace of God, which surpasses all understanding, will guard you hearts and minds through Christ Jesus." (Philippians 4:6-7)

This is what God's grace has us doing. We need to obey God's grace in us . . . submit to God in us, I mean >

"for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure." (Philippians 2:13)

So, we do not need to merely obey what we can think God means by His word; but we need to personally submit to how God in us is working our willing and our doing "for His good pleasure."

I can find this in the Bible > this is basic Bible. So, does he make this clear?

There are things to do, then, in order to have the benefits of God's grace, but His grace in us has us doing these things. In case we desire to be
"children of God without fault in the midst of a crooked and perverse generation" > here is what God says to do >

"Do all things without complaining and disputing, that you may become blameless and harmless, children of God without fault in the midst of a crooked and perverse generation, among whom you shine as lights in the world, holding fast the word of life, so that I may rejoice in the day of Christ that I have not run in vain or labored in vain." (Philippians 2:14-16)

Right
"in the midst of a crooked and perverse generation", we can "become blameless and harmless, children of God without fault". So, this is a basic of God's word, what God's grace almighty in us succeeds in doing, I would say.

So, has Mike been helping you know this and grow in this?

God bless you, howsoever He pleases and is able in His own grace.
 
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Hebrews 12:4-14 says God corrects His children. And our Father's correction brings us to "become partakers of His holiness" in His love's "peaceable fruit of righteousness", I understand this scripture to mean.

And grace, ones say, is God's favor. Well, Hebrews 12:4-14 clearly says it is in our favor how our Father corrects us because He loves us.

"But if you are without chastening, of which all have become partakers, then you are illegitimate and not sons." (Hebrews 12:8)

God favors how Jesus is > Romans 8:29 and how Jesus has loved us > Ephesians 5:2, and His grace acting in our character changes us to become like Jesus, and to love like Jesus >

"And walk in love, as Christ also has loved us and given Himself for us, an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweet-smelling aroma." (Ephesians 5:2)

And God in us favors us, by ruling us in His own peace >

"And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to which also you were called in one body; and be thankful." (Colossians 3:15)

This is included, then, in our basic Christian calling > "to which also you were called in one body", our Apostle Paul does say. So > @Huygir > has Mike been making sure you know this is included in all which God's grace does in us?

And God is almighty; so His grace is almighty to get His results. We have in Philippians 4:6-7 how "the peace of God, which surpasses all understanding, will guard your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus." Does Mike make it clear how God's peace guards our hearts and minds? God is almighty; so His peace is almighty to be able to guard our hearts and minds against bitterness, frustration, anxiety and fear, lusts, confusion, hurts from our past, unforgiveness, and arguing and complaining stuff in us.

But, of course, this comes with doing what God's word says to do >

"Be anxious for nothing, but in everything by prayer and supplication, with thanksgiving, let your requests be made known to God; and the peace of God, which surpasses all understanding, will guard you hearts and minds through Christ Jesus." (Philippians 4:6-7)

This is what God's grace has us doing. We need to obey God's grace in us . . . submit to God in us, I mean >

"for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure." (Philippians 2:13)

So, we do not need to merely obey what we can think God means by His word; but we need to personally submit to how God in us is working our willing and our doing "for His good pleasure."

I can find this in the Bible > this is basic Bible. So, does he make this clear?

There are things to do, then, in order to have the benefits of God's grace, but His grace in us has us doing these things. In case we desire to be
"children of God without fault in the midst of a crooked and perverse generation" > here is what God says to do >

"Do all things without complaining and disputing, that you may become blameless and harmless, children of God without fault in the midst of a crooked and perverse generation, among whom you shine as lights in the world, holding fast the word of life, so that I may rejoice in the day of Christ that I have not run in vain or labored in vain." (Philippians 2:14-16)

Right
"in the midst of a crooked and perverse generation", we can "become blameless and harmless, children of God without fault". So, this is a basic of God's word, what God's grace almighty in us succeeds in doing, I would say.

So, has Mike been helping you know this and grow in this?

God bless you, howsoever He pleases and is able in His own grace.


Yes, yes, yes and yes. Mike has taught accurately on all of these topics and many many more (prophecy, the gospel, faith, salvation, repentance, the trinity, the holiness of God, the sovereignty of God, the deity of Christ, etc). If you have not heard this in his teachings, then you missed solid affirmation of good doctrine and theology. But, it's more important that you have some source of good teaching - does not have to be Mike Winger. Vaya con Dios.
 
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It's where I learned a lot of my stuff.

How do I know if he is good or not? I'm just guessing he is good.
The world is full of absentee religious lecturers, and we can learn something from them. However, none of them is a substitute for a 'standard-issue' local pastor.

Whenever I hear someone talking as though they've made some TV evangelist or religious author their de facto pastor I am very sorry. That is not their role. At best, these people ought to be seen as adjuncts to to the local church with its own ministers.
 
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I didn't say all of his teachings are false. I gave you what he said directly from his Hebrews roots and video on salvation. If you haven't even watched these and can tell me where he proved what I said is false I will go back and repent of what I said if I am wrong. Please don't assume you know something when you have not even listened to what he teaches. How is that truth?

If this forum thinks God's law is not for us and was only for Israel and ended at the cross then I want nothing to do with this forum. If you think lawlessness, we do not have to obey our King our God is OK then I want nothing to do with this forum. We are slaves, servants to the one to whom we obey. We obey our God or we obey the other guy. When someone preaches lawlessness they are obeying the other guy.
 
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I didn't say all of his teachings are false. I gave you what he said directly from his Hebrews roots and video on salvation. If you haven't even watched these and can tell me where he proved what I said is false I will go back and repent of what I said if I am wrong. Please don't assume you know something when you have not even listened to what he teaches. How is that truth?

If this forum thinks God's law is not for us and was only for Israel and ended at the cross then I want nothing to do with this forum. If you think lawlessness, we do not have to obey our King our God is OK then I want nothing to do with this forum. We are slaves, servants to the one to whom we obey. We obey our God or we obey the other guy. When someone preaches lawlessness they are obeying the other guy.

I have watched those videos and nearly all of his others. You are misunderstanding what he was saying or do not want to objectively listen. Jesus fulfilled the Law (the law of Moses that WAS for the Jews) - Christians are not under that law. That does not mean we are lawless nor deciding our own morality - we have a higher law to live up to and higher penalty to pay for violating it; Any act that was ever considered a sin is still a sin.

There are certainly those online and preaching on television who deserve to be called out for their error, heresy and apostate preaching - Mike Winger is not one of them. So if you don't like what Mike teaches, just move on - there is no need to malign his ministry.

I continue to stand by my attestation for Mike Winger and his ministry. If I felt he was teaching any error, I would not say that. We are not going to debate this online - that was why I did not reply to you directly first time, and I won't reply again.
 
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