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Greeting in the Lord.Hello again and God bless,
I can see where sone of these deep things can be misunderstood.
I will be looking specifically for the answer to why you believe the Father is indwelling men before accomplishment of redemption
on the cross by Jesus Christ.
I cannot respond to all your comments this morning.
Okay. Here you affirm, I think, that His incarnation, life, death, and resurrection and becoming a life giving Spirit are critical for this indwelling of the Father.First, the only way that God could give the free gift to all men, the true Light that lighteth every man(John 1:9 KJV), the seed down, the word, Christ working inward. Is through Jesus Christ actual work in the flesh in time and his death and resurrection.
I have a little trouble understanding this sentence.But knowing this would be in time God was able to give to all the free gift that came upon all men.
What I am looking for is your reason for believing the Father was living in men before the new covenant.The true Light that lighteth every man. So this inward working of God was in all(though not in union with them until repentance and faith ) but God still was working even in the Gentiles who have the work of the law written in their hearts.
There is no argument from me that God is light and His word is a light to our path throughout all history.
And that He strives with men's conscience is evident even in the time of Noah long before Christ's coming.
And Jehovah said, My Spirit will not strive with man forever, for he indeed is flesh; so his days will be one hundred twenty years. (Gen. 6:3)
God works on man's conscience, convicts, and enlightens men throughout history. This has to be true.
And He is referred to as the Father in lieu of His being the Creator is also true.
What I am looking for in your thoughts is more than God working on or even in man but His indwelling man as the divine Father
before the resurrection of Christ.
I would ask you then, IF they had not yet received the Holy Spirit how could the Father be indwelling them?These are the secrets of men the hidden things. The mystery that hath been hid from ages which is Christ in you the hope of glory.
Jesus said(before the cross that he was in them (John 15) And we read of the Father speaking in them before the cross (Matthew 10). But they did not have the Holy Ghost given until Jesus was risen. He was with them as he was in OT times. But not in them. But this does not mean that Christ was not in them or the Father.
God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truthfulness. (John 4:24)
So you believe before His death, resurrection, and becoming the divine life giving Spirit the Father was indwelling the disciples?Consider,
John 15: 4. Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. 5. I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.”
This shows that Christ was in them before the cross , the Son. He is the word down in them the seed.
I see the point of highlighting God works with men to direct, convict, lead, enlighten, etc from Genesis on through the OT.
Do you think emphasising that God the Father was in men all along makes chapters 14 on in the Gospel of John somewhat
an anticlimax? I mean when in resurrection He appears alive to them and enacts the gesture of breathing into them saying "Receive the Holy Spirit" is rather unnecessary?
I hear you saying that before the Holy Spirit was breathed into them in John 20 the Father who is Spirit (John 4:24) was already indwelling them.
After considering this interpretation seriously I looked again and noticed this about "an hour is coming."
But an hour is coming, and it is now, when the true worshippers will worship the Father in spirit and truthfulness, for the Father also seeks such to worship Him. (John 4:33)
It is paradoxical to me that Jesus said "an hour is COMING, and it is NOW".
In light of your concept I could understand that the hour of the indwelling Father had come for SOME already.
So for them it need not BE coming.
I mused on the verse. And at present I think "an hour is coming, and it is now" refers probably to the fact that for Him - a man that hour
was already going on everyday of His life. He was like us a man. He was with the Father living in Him from incarnation and was throughout
His earthly life before the cross a true worshipper par excellence.
But for the rest of us who are men and women like Him, the hour of true worship was to COME.
It came after His death and resurrection to accomplish a removal of the veil seperating us from God.
Having therefore, brothers, boldness for entering the Holy of Holies in the blood of Jesus,
Which entrance He initiated for us as a new and living way through the veil, that is, His flesh, (Hebrews 10:19,20)
Suddenly I have no more time to write right now.
Be back latter.
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