Was Noah's flood a world wide flood?

[Phil G]

My argument is how could God flood a sphere ?

Gravity

 

[Apple Sky]

My argument is how could God flood a sphere ?

Gravity

It's always puzzled me

 

[Phil G]

It's always puzzled me

I know, but it’s a known fact that objects fall. There is the theory of gravity which can change as more is understood about it, but the fact that objects fall is observable, testable and repeatable without fail means that it is just that - a known fact.

That known fact is called gravity. It’s not an invented thing by Freemasons to fool the masses and lead them away from God.

It is part of God’s creation and should lead to Him, if people take the time to reflect on His almighty power and majesty as revealed in His creation.

 

[Apple Sky]

I know, but it’s a known fact that objects fall. There is the theory of gravity which can change as more is understood about it, but the fact that objects fall is observable, testable and repeatable without fail means that it is just that - a known fact.

That known fact is called gravity. It’s not an invented thing by Freemasons to fool the masses and lead them away from God.

It is part of God’s creation and should lead to Him, if people take the time to reflect on His almighty power and majesty as revealed in His creation.

I agree with everything you say it's just that I can't picture the whole world flooded if it's a sphere I have tried.

 

[Phil G]

I agree with everything you say it's just that I can't picture the whole world flooded if it's a sphere I have tried.

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In the Charles Duke’s video you watched, at one point he showed a drop of liquid in zero gravity. It formed itself into a sphere shape. So even without gravity, liquid (including water) is not flat.

I know you struggle with this, but be patient with yourself.

Anyway I better not derail this thread anymore than I have done. Apologies to all!

 

[Diamond72]

To me it makes sense that the floods during the Younger Dryas around 14,000 years ago which covered much of what would have been the world around the middle East and northern hemisphere. In fact it would have risen the waters all over the planet to varying degrees. Its the only major flood in our recent history.

That is where the water came from for Noah's flood. It is believed that natural land formations held the water back and when they failed the Persian Gulf was formed.

they each had a seperate global type flood event

The issue is: do you translate the Bible to say the hills were covered or the Mountains were covered? Science tells us the reason we find sea fossils on the top of mountains is because of plate technotics.

Mesopotamia is suppose to be the birthlace of civilisation.

Yes and this creates a biodiverce ecology based on cultivated plants and domestic animals. Noah saved the whole eco system on his Ark. Science is very interested in how civilization spread from Mesopotamia to Europe.

 

[stevevw]

That is where the water came from for Noah's flood. It is believed that natural land formations held the water back and when they failed the Persian Gulf was formed.

I think a lot of the land and water was formed during this period.

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The issue is: do you translate the Bible to say the hills were covered or the Mountains were covered? Science tells us the reason we find sea fossils on the top of mountains is because of plate technotics.

It doesn't matter I think as to the people it was a massive flood that probably covered much of their world as they knew it. There may have been some embellishment in that the floods were so large that to make the point of the message they were so big that they covered the mountains.

Either way the message got through that this flood was from God that reset humankind because they had got to a point where they defied God in everything they did.

I am interested in understanding the pre flood cultures. It seems to me just by their archeology they were worshipping the gods of the skies, animals and all sorts of idols. A common stone work found was of males holding their genitals. So there may have been sexual immorality and worship of some sort. But also weird serpent and frog like creatures adorning the pillars.

Yes and this creates a biodiverce ecology based on cultivated plants and domestic animals. Noah saved the whole eco system on his Ark. Science is very interested in how civilization spread from Mesopotamia to Europe.

I read somewhere about discoveries around Turkey and an early culture around Mt Ararat and the DNA has been traced out to the pre flood cultures around the world. The stories of these cultures have similar names to Noahs sons. The stories within these cultures speak of a man or group of people who came to bring knowledge to humankind. I will have to find it.

 

[stevevw]

The evidence is underwater. WE do have underwater drone cameras, so we are going to be able to get better photos of what is currently under water. The Euphrates river is staring to expose a lot of ancient sites also.

No one ever talks about what sort of house Adam and Eve lived in. But we know it was a real house and not a tent. Most likely made from stone.

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What I find interesting is that we are really only beginning to find the preflood civilizations because they are either at deeper levels in the ground and were covered, under water or have been denied access due to various political and ideological positions in not wanting to show contradictory evidence to the mainstream paradigm of gradualism and reductionism.

Remember 'Catastrophism' was a dirty word to mainstream science only a few decades ago. But the evidence has been piling up and with modern tech like Lidar we are finding more and more sites that cannot be denied.

Though if you look at Gobekli Tepe which was one of the most profound discoveries showing the level of sophistication of belief and culture well in advance as to what we thought. This site is being covered back up and no further investigation. Yest we know that the whole area may contain a sophisticated network of sites.

Another area is the Amazon and we are discovering megaliths on par with Egypt. Underground shafts and Tombs and giant granite blocks with similar signatures in the rocks. But the authorities either deny access or put them down to natural causes.

So we are only beginning to get down to this level of history which has sort of been hidden one way or another from us and may lead to a paradigm shift in thinking about our history and who we are.

 

[Diamond72]

Remember 'Catastrophism' was a dirty word to mainstream science only a few decades ago.

The problem is we have catastrophic events often caused by gradualism. Francisquito Canyon occurred, killing over 450 people and leaving a path of destruction 2-miles-wide and 70 miles long. Known as the United States' worst civil engineering disaster of the 20th century, the dam, located near present day Castaic and Santa Clarita, failed only two years after its completion.

I used to design and sell sprinkler systems that were pretty much 100% dependent on the available water pressure. Their gradualism of slow gradual change over time has caused a lot of catastrophic events and I laugh at them for being so ignorant to get themselves into the mess they get into.

My son has a degree in computer engineering and he tells me ONLY 20% of his class graduated. They do not want people out there that do not know what they are doing.

 

[Platte]

The occurrence of Glacial Lake Outburst Floods (GLOFs) at the time of Noah, or the early Holocene period, is a possibility. The melting of glaciers and the formation of temporary natural dams could have led to significant flooding events. These GLOFs might have inspired ancient flood myths, including the story of Noah's Flood.

The combination of postglacial sea-level rise and sudden catastrophic floods due to natural dam failures would have created dramatic and potentially devastating events for early human communities, influencing their oral traditions and stories.

There was worldwide flooding from the melting of glaciers. In the area where I live, the Great Lakes, the ice was one mile thick. We have a valley here that, like the Grand Canyon, was created from the water that flooded the area when the ice melted. Although science tends to support gradualism and not catastrophic events, they shoot themselves in the foot because when catastrophic events occur, they are not prepared to deal with them.

The melting glaciers created large lakes and rivers, carving out valleys and depositing sediments that shaped the region's topography

The ice is still melting and places like Flordia are still flooding. Miami changed the building code to 3 feet higher.

Noah's flood effected the whole world and was more then just a local flood.

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Does the Bible say the Flood was worldwide should be your first argument

 

[Terri Dactyl]

My argument is how could God flood a sphere ?

Gravity holds things on here. I dont see a problem.

 

[Reneep]

I read something today that said" you see son, people dont want to hear your oppinion. They want to hear their oppinion coming out of your mouth. " BOY AINT THAT THE TRUTH.

that IS HOW YOU make big money in universities. THAT IS EXACTLY WHY HIS NAME IS SALVATION. BUT THE LORD KNOWS NONE OF US WILL LEARN ANYTHING OF VALUE IF WE DONT GO TO HIM FIRST. EVE WAS TOO EASILY DECEIVED AND STILL IS .

 

[davetaff]

Did God flood the world we don't know nobody alive to day was there to film it we only have Gods word and all we have to do is believe it if we have to proove it then we don't believe it we must believe Gods word not to try a proove it

Love and Peace
Dave

 

[Semper-Fi]

My argument is how could God flood a sphere ?

- the sand for the boundaries of the seas,
[the ordinances of the moon] and of [the stars]

Jeremiah 5:22 ..the LORD.., which have placed the sand for the
bound of the sea by a perpetual decree, that it cannot pass it:
and though the waves thereof toss themselves, yet can they not
prevail; though they roar, yet can they not pass over it?

Jeremiah 31:35 "Thus saith the LORD , which giveth the sun for a
light by day, and [the ordinances of the moon] and of [the stars]
for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof
roar; The LORD of hosts is his name:

Psalm 104:9 You set a boundary that they may not pass over,
So that they will not return to cover the earth.

Proverbs 8:22-29 ..When he gave to [the sea his decree], that
the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed
[the foundations of the earth]:

The foundations of the earth are connected with this decree,
given to the sea/ocean. The rise and fall of the ocean is
caused by the moon's gravitational pull on the Earth.

Job 26:10 He hath compassed [the waters with bounds],
Until the day[sun] and night[moon] come to an end.

"Who enclosed the sea behind doors when it burst forth from the womb,
...Job 38:8-11 The womb, bars, bolt, and doors are used figuratively here.

That face of the deep

The Deep. Waters? - The Waters which were under the firmament [He called Seas] There is the sea, great and broad, In which are swarms without number, Animals both small and great. Psalm 104:25 "There is [the sea], vast and spacious, teeming with [creatures beyond number]". The number of...

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see also post 22 -The horizon on the oceans

 

[stevevw]

Did God flood the world we don't know nobody alive to day was there to film it we only have Gods word and all we have to do is believe it if we have to proove it then we don't believe it we must believe Gods word not to try a proove it

Love and Peace
Dave

We have Gods word and His word is truth and should be reflected into reality. Into our physical world. Its not necessary as you say for salvation but it will come as no suprise for the faithful that we find the evidence. Its to be expected if you believe God is was behind this happneing to our planet.

Ceratin events had real effects in out history. We know Christ walked this earth and was crucified. This is an important aspect because we can point to a real man who claimed to be God and from that a movement was born that changed the world.

We know the Isrealites were held captive in Egypt. Even though many doubted we now have extensive evidence in real archeological and written history.

We are now finding evidence that a giant flood did hit the earth in the archeological and geological records. This is no surprise to me and though it is not exactly how people thought it would be it still in everyway upholds Gods word and promise.

This should not be protested but celebrated that even the worldview that wants evidence to prove something is satified so theres no complaints, no saying its fantasy. Its a real part of our human history.

The more time that goes by the more we are seeing the bible is literally coming to life before our eyes. I think this is part of the final revelations that there can be no doubt and therefore those who choose to deny God are doing so knowing that what God has said is real and True.

The world tried to hide this truth but sooner or later the truth comes out.

 

[Apple Sky]

- the sand for the boundaries of the seas,
[the ordinances of the moon] and of [the stars]

Jeremiah 5:22 ..the LORD.., which have placed the sand for the
bound of the sea by a perpetual decree, that it cannot pass it:
and though the waves thereof toss themselves, yet can they not
prevail; though they roar, yet can they not pass over it?

Jeremiah 31:35 "Thus saith the LORD , which giveth the sun for a
light by day, and [the ordinances of the moon] and of [the stars]
for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof
roar; The LORD of hosts is his name:

Psalm 104:9 You set a boundary that they may not pass over,
So that they will not return to cover the earth.

Proverbs 8:22-29 ..When he gave to [the sea his decree], that
the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed
[the foundations of the earth]:

The foundations of the earth are connected with this decree,
given to the sea/ocean. The rise and fall of the ocean is
caused by the moon's gravitational pull on the Earth.

Job 26:10 He hath compassed [the waters with bounds],
Until the day[sun] and night[moon] come to an end.

"Who enclosed the sea behind doors when it burst forth from the womb,
...Job 38:8-11 The womb, bars, bolt, and doors are used figuratively here.

That face of the deep

The Deep. Waters? - The Waters which were under the firmament [He called Seas] There is the sea, great and broad, In which are swarms without number, Animals both small and great. Psalm 104:25 "There is [the sea], vast and spacious, teeming with [creatures beyond number]". The number of...

www.christianforums.com

see also post 22 -The horizon on the oceans

It's impossible to flood a ball.

 

[Job 33:6]

 

[Semper-Fi]

It's impossible to flood a ball.

Thats funny, nothing is impossible with God.
Ever heard of gravity, earths molten core, or the horizon?

Sorry the bible disagrees with you, and science disagrees with you.

Science evidence suggests the planet was covered by a vast
ocean and had no continents at all long ago. Also, an asteroid
hit earth killing dinos, and the earth was covered with water.

In Genesis 1 the whole earth was covered with water.
In Noah's flood, everything with the breath of life died
that was under heaven. No matter where you are on
earth, you are under heaven and would have drowned.

What is impossible is to flood a flat earth with water.

Genesis 7:20 states that God allowed the waters to exceed
the height of the mountains by fifteen cubits or 22.5 feet.

What is not possible is to have the waters exceed the height
of the mountains by 22.5 feet on a flat earth. The water would
just fall off the sides of the flat earth.

Try filling a flat plate with 22.5 feet of water, it will not work.

 

[Apple Sky]

Thats funny, nothing is impossible with God.
Ever heard of gravity, earths molten core, or the horizon?

Sorry the bible disagrees with you, and science disagrees with you.

Science evidence suggests the planet was covered by a vast
ocean and had no continents at all long ago. Also, an asteroid
hit earth killing dinos, and the earth was covered with water.

In Genesis 1 the whole earth was covered with water.
In Noah's flood, everything with the breath of life died
that was under heaven. No matter where you are on
earth, you are under heaven and would have drowned.

What is impossible is to flood a flat earth with water.

Genesis 7:20 states that God allowed the waters to exceed
the height of the mountains by fifteen cubits or 22.5 feet.

What is not possible is to have the waters exceed the height
of the mountains by 22.5 feet on a flat earth. The water would
just fall off the sides of the flat earth.

Try filling a flat plate with 22.5 feet of water, it will not work.

 

[Semper-Fi]

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So why does the water on earth not fly away?

The earth is not a ball lol.

Water does not fly away from Earth because the gravitational force holding it in place is stronger than the kinetic energy of water molecules

Conclusion: A Delicate Balance

"The presence of water on Earth is not a given but rather the
result of a delicate balance of physical forces and processes.

Gravity is the primary force keeping water molecules from
drifting into space, while the atmosphere, and specifically
atmospheric pressure, acts as a supportive containment.

The hydrological cycle continuously replenishes our water supplies,
and other factors, such as the magnetic field, greenhouse effect,
and chemical bonding, all work together to maintain a stable
environment where water can exist."...

Earth is known as a Goldilocks planet as it has a not
too hot and not too cold climate which allows water to
exist in all three states ( solid, liquid and gas ).