Was Noah's flood a world wide flood?

[Phil G]

My argument is how could God flood a sphere ?

Gravity

 

[Apple Sky]

My argument is how could God flood a sphere ?

Gravity

It's always puzzled me

 

[Phil G]

It's always puzzled me

I know, but it’s a known fact that objects fall. There is the theory of gravity which can change as more is understood about it, but the fact that objects fall is observable, testable and repeatable without fail means that it is just that - a known fact.

That known fact is called gravity. It’s not an invented thing by Freemasons to fool the masses and lead them away from God.

It is part of God’s creation and should lead to Him, if people take the time to reflect on His almighty power and majesty as revealed in His creation.

 

[Apple Sky]

I know, but it’s a known fact that objects fall. There is the theory of gravity which can change as more is understood about it, but the fact that objects fall is observable, testable and repeatable without fail means that it is just that - a known fact.

That known fact is called gravity. It’s not an invented thing by Freemasons to fool the masses and lead them away from God.

It is part of God’s creation and should lead to Him, if people take the time to reflect on His almighty power and majesty as revealed in His creation.

I agree with everything you say it's just that I can't picture the whole world flooded if it's a sphere I have tried.

 

[Phil G]

I agree with everything you say it's just that I can't picture the whole world flooded if it's a sphere I have tried.

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In the Charles Duke’s video you watched, at one point he showed a drop of liquid in zero gravity. It formed itself into a sphere shape. So even without gravity, liquid (including water) is not flat.

I know you struggle with this, but be patient with yourself.

Anyway I better not derail this thread anymore than I have done. Apologies to all!

 

[Diamond72]

To me it makes sense that the floods during the Younger Dryas around 14,000 years ago which covered much of what would have been the world around the middle East and northern hemisphere. In fact it would have risen the waters all over the planet to varying degrees. Its the only major flood in our recent history.

That is where the water came from for Noah's flood. It is believed that natural land formations held the water back and when they failed the Persian Gulf was formed.

they each had a seperate global type flood event

The issue is: do you translate the Bible to say the hills were covered or the Mountains were covered? Science tells us the reason we find sea fossils on the top of mountains is because of plate technotics.

Mesopotamia is suppose to be the birthlace of civilisation.

Yes and this creates a biodiverce ecology based on cultivated plants and domestic animals. Noah saved the whole eco system on his Ark. Science is very interested in how civilization spread from Mesopotamia to Europe.

 

[stevevw]

That is where the water came from for Noah's flood. It is believed that natural land formations held the water back and when they failed the Persian Gulf was formed.

I think a lot of the land and water was formed during this period.

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The issue is: do you translate the Bible to say the hills were covered or the Mountains were covered? Science tells us the reason we find sea fossils on the top of mountains is because of plate technotics.

It doesn't matter I think as to the people it was a massive flood that probably covered much of their world as they knew it. There may have been some embellishment in that the floods were so large that to make the point of the message they were so big that they covered the mountains.

Either way the message got through that this flood was from God that reset humankind because they had got to a point where they defied God in everything they did.

I am interested in understanding the pre flood cultures. It seems to me just by their archeology they were worshipping the gods of the skies, animals and all sorts of idols. A common stone work found was of males holding their genitals. So there may have been sexual immorality and worship of some sort. But also weird serpent and frog like creatures adorning the pillars.

Yes and this creates a biodiverce ecology based on cultivated plants and domestic animals. Noah saved the whole eco system on his Ark. Science is very interested in how civilization spread from Mesopotamia to Europe.

I read somewhere about discoveries around Turkey and an early culture around Mt Ararat and the DNA has been traced out to the pre flood cultures around the world. The stories of these cultures have similar names to Noahs sons. The stories within these cultures speak of a man or group of people who came to bring knowledge to humankind. I will have to find it.

 

[stevevw]

The evidence is underwater. WE do have underwater drone cameras, so we are going to be able to get better photos of what is currently under water. The Euphrates river is staring to expose a lot of ancient sites also.

No one ever talks about what sort of house Adam and Eve lived in. But we know it was a real house and not a tent. Most likely made from stone.

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What I find interesting is that we are really only beginning to find the preflood civilizations because they are either at deeper levels in the ground and were covered, under water or have been denied access due to various political and ideological positions in not wanting to show contradictory evidence to the mainstream paradigm of gradualism and reductionism.

Remember 'Catastrophism' was a dirty word to mainstream science only a few decades ago. But the evidence has been piling up and with modern tech like Lidar we are finding more and more sites that cannot be denied.

Though if you look at Gobekli Tepe which was one of the most profound discoveries showing the level of sophistication of belief and culture well in advance as to what we thought. This site is being covered back up and no further investigation. Yest we know that the whole area may contain a sophisticated network of sites.

Another area is the Amazon and we are discovering megaliths on par with Egypt. Underground shafts and Tombs and giant granite blocks with similar signatures in the rocks. But the authorities either deny access or put them down to natural causes.

So we are only beginning to get down to this level of history which has sort of been hidden one way or another from us and may lead to a paradigm shift in thinking about our history and who we are.

 

[Diamond72]

Remember 'Catastrophism' was a dirty word to mainstream science only a few decades ago.

The problem is we have catastrophic events often caused by gradualism. Francisquito Canyon occurred, killing over 450 people and leaving a path of destruction 2-miles-wide and 70 miles long. Known as the United States' worst civil engineering disaster of the 20th century, the dam, located near present day Castaic and Santa Clarita, failed only two years after its completion.

I used to design and sell sprinkler systems that were pretty much 100% dependent on the available water pressure. Their gradualism of slow gradual change over time has caused a lot of catastrophic events and I laugh at them for being so ignorant to get themselves into the mess they get into.

My son has a degree in computer engineering and he tells me ONLY 20% of his class graduated. They do not want people out there that do not know what they are doing.

 

[Platte]

The occurrence of Glacial Lake Outburst Floods (GLOFs) at the time of Noah, or the early Holocene period, is a possibility. The melting of glaciers and the formation of temporary natural dams could have led to significant flooding events. These GLOFs might have inspired ancient flood myths, including the story of Noah's Flood.

The combination of postglacial sea-level rise and sudden catastrophic floods due to natural dam failures would have created dramatic and potentially devastating events for early human communities, influencing their oral traditions and stories.

There was worldwide flooding from the melting of glaciers. In the area where I live, the Great Lakes, the ice was one mile thick. We have a valley here that, like the Grand Canyon, was created from the water that flooded the area when the ice melted. Although science tends to support gradualism and not catastrophic events, they shoot themselves in the foot because when catastrophic events occur, they are not prepared to deal with them.

The melting glaciers created large lakes and rivers, carving out valleys and depositing sediments that shaped the region's topography

The ice is still melting and places like Flordia are still flooding. Miami changed the building code to 3 feet higher.

Noah's flood effected the whole world and was more then just a local flood.

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Does the Bible say the Flood was worldwide should be your first argument

 

[Terri Dactyl]

My argument is how could God flood a sphere ?

Gravity holds things on here. I dont see a problem.