VOTE HOW MANY BELIEVE IN A PRE TRIBULATION HOPE/RAPTURE ?

[food4thought]

so now that everyone has said what they believe can they prove it; and I don't mean quoting one scripture; layout why you believe, what you believe; not by appealing to what we think is right or wrong; but rather some scriptural proof!

But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus. For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. Therefore comfort one another with these words. ​

(1 Thessalonians 4:13-18)​

This is the foundational passage that teaches us there is a rapture. There are some who discount the whole thing by saying there is no rapture, but this passage clearly says that such an event will happen, it just doesn't indicate clearly when this will happen.

But concerning the times and the seasons, brethren, you have no need that I should write to you. For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night. For when they say, "Peace and safety!" then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape. But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief. You are all sons of light and sons of the day. We are not of the night nor of darkness. Therefore let us not sleep, as others do, but let us watch and be sober. For those who sleep, sleep at night, and those who get drunk are drunk at night. But let us who are of the day be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love, and as a helmet the hope of salvation. For God did not appoint us to wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ, who died for us, that whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with Him. Therefore comfort each other and edify one another, just as you also are doing. ​

(1 Thessalonians 5:1-11)​

Immediately following that passage, we do have some indication of the timing of this event from this one. First, it tells us that the day of the Lord comes without warning, "as a thief in the night". This would preclude the post-tribulational rapture, because there is ample precursor events that point to the 2nd coming of Christ being immanent. The same could be said for the pre-wrath rapture, with the wars, pestilence, famine, and revealing of the man of sin. Only a pre-tribulational rapture can explain how the return of Christ could be both immanent and without warning. This passage also points out that the rapture must occur before the wrath of God is poured out on the world (1 Thessalonians 5:9). Again, the post-tribulational rapture would be excluded by these facts.

"But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only. But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. Then two men will be in the field: one will be taken and the other left. Two women will be grinding at the mill: one will be taken and the other left. Watch therefore, for you do not know what hour your Lord is coming. ​

(Matthew 24:36-42)​

We learn a few things from this passage. We learn that no man knows the day or hour (note it says day OR hour, not day AND hour). We can calculate the timing of the 2nd coming down to the day from the abomination of desolation (Daniel 12:11), so again it cannot be concurrent with the 2nd coming. We also learn that everything will be fairly normal when this event occurs, people will be marrying and giving in marriage, grinding at the millstone, and working in the fields. Again, this cannot be at the end of the Great Tribulation, where everything will be falling apart in nature (Revelation 16). It would also seem to preclude the pre-wrath rapture for the same reason, seeing as how there will be world conflict, famine, and pestilence during that time.

I could post more, but this is sufficient for now to show that the pre-tribulational rapture makes the most sense.

 

[keras]

Your presumptions. Rev. 7 does not mention the Day of the Lord, only the Trib.

Revelation 7:14 mentions those who have passed through the great ordeal....
Which must refer to the Sixth Seal event. Unless you want to shuffle Revelation...not advisable!

Here again, your presumption, without evidence. Nothing obvious about it..

You are fairly alone in thinking the 7 Bowl is not part of the Great Trib.

The wrath lasts through all seven trumpets and all seven bowls. Good luck cramming all those doings in one 24-hour day!

Many Prophesies make it clear the Day of the Lords fiery wrath, is for just one literal day. It will set the scene for all the Prophesied things from Rev 7 until Eternity.
The 7 Trumpets and 7 Bowls will happen during the final 3 1/2 year period before Jesus Returns. They are the wrath of God.

 

[JulieB67]

Immediately following that passage, we do have some indication of the timing of this event from this one

This is the foundational passage that teaches us there is a rapture.

We can't just stop and use a few verses to produce a foundation though. The bible has to be taken as a whole. If we read further into chapter 5, he continues his train of thought-"But.....and then names the event of chapter 4-the day of the Lord. And the original subject was about their passed away loved ones. Paul was trying to comfort them, not comfort anyone about a pretrib rapture. But there were no chapters back then, so we can't just stop after a few verses.

"But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only. But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. Then two men will be in the field: one will be taken and the other left. Two women will be grinding at the mill: one will be taken and the other left. Watch therefore, for you do not know what hour your Lord is coming.

Again, this cannot be at the end of the Great Tribulation

It most definitely is the end of the tribulation. Here is the same event with more detail-


Luke 17:29 "But the same day that Lord went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all."

Luke 17:30 "Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed."

He's telling us it will be the same in this day -fire and brimstone

Luke 17:31 "In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back

Luke 17:32 "Remember Lot's wife."

Luke 17:33 "Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it."

Luke 17:33 "Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it."

Luke 17:34 "I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left."

Luke 17:35 "Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

Luke 17:36 "Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left."

Luke 17:37 "And they answered and said unto Him, "Where, Lord?" And He said unto them, "Whosoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together."

So we can see that these verses are not talking about a pretrib rapture to Heaven, just the opposite.

Paul teaches the same thing, people will be thinking peace and safety and then bam -destruction. It's antichrist that brings the peace and safety. Most of the world will be thinking this and then, shocker, destruction.

 

[enoob57]

I'm a YES

 

[food4thought]

We can't just stop and use a few verses to produce a foundation though. The bible has to be taken as a whole. If we read further into chapter 5, he continues his train of thought

Does the end of 1 Thessalonians 4 describe an event where believers are caught up to meet the Lord in the air or not? That is all I was using that passage to say.

-"But.....and then names the event of chapter 4-the day of the Lord. And the original subject was about their passed away loved ones. Paul was trying to comfort them, not comfort anyone about a pretrib rapture. But there were no chapters back then, so we can't just stop after a few verses.

Does the beginning of chapter 5 indicate that the event will happen suddenly and without warning or not? Does 5:9 imply that this event will happen before God pours out His wrath on the world or not?

He was trying to tell them that those who died would be a part of this event, that they would be caught up to meet the Lord along with those living.

It most definitely is the end of the tribulation. Here is the same event with more detail-


Luke 17:29 "But the same day that Lord went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all."

Luke 17:30 "Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed."

He's telling us it will be the same in this day -fire and brimstone

Luke 17:31 "In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back

Luke 17:32 "Remember Lot's wife."

Luke 17:33 "Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it."

Luke 17:33 "Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it."

Luke 17:34 "I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left."

Luke 17:35 "Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

Luke 17:36 "Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left."

Luke 17:37 "And they answered and said unto Him, "Where, Lord?" And He said unto them, "Whosoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together."

So we can see that these verses are not talking about a pretrib rapture to Heaven, just the opposite.

How so? Are you saying that the day of the Lord will be a single day, not a period of time? That is not what most scholars teach. And you really haven't addressed the points I was trying to make. The time leading up to what Luke and Matthew are talking about would be characterized as normal. The Great Tribulation is not normal. Therefore the event described would have to occur before the Great Tribulation, or long after it.

Paul teaches the same thing, people will be thinking peace and safety and then bam -destruction. It's antichrist that brings the peace and safety. Most of the world will be thinking this and then, shocker, destruction.

People will be talking about how things are good when this event happens, again, not the Great Tribulation.

 

[John Lamb]

We can't just stop and use a few verses to produce a foundation though. The bible has to be taken as a whole. If we read further into chapter 5, he continues his train of thought-"But.....and then names the event of chapter 4-the day of the Lord. And the original subject was about their passed away loved ones. Paul was trying to comfort them, not comfort anyone about a pretrib rapture. But there were no chapters back then, so we can't just stop after a few verses.



It most definitely is the end of the tribulation. Here is the same event with more detail-


Luke 17:29 "But the same day that Lord went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all."

Luke 17:30 "Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed."

He's telling us it will be the same in this day -fire and brimstone

Luke 17:31 "In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back

Luke 17:32 "Remember Lot's wife."

Luke 17:33 "Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it."

Luke 17:33 "Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it."

Luke 17:34 "I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left."

Luke 17:35 "Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

Luke 17:36 "Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left."

Luke 17:37 "And they answered and said unto Him, "Where, Lord?" And He said unto them, "Whosoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together."

So we can see that these verses are not talking about a pretrib rapture to Heaven, just the opposite.

“In that day”, said at the beginning of verse 31 refers to being inside the seven year Tribulation. Conversely, “I tell you, in that night”, said at the beginning of verse 34 refers to the pre-Trib rapture before the seven years begin. There are many verses stating the Lord comes as a thief in the night. This is very different to the Second Coming when at the end, all will see Him coming in the clouds.

In verse 37, when the disciples ask where they go, the Lord is referring to those that are left, who have missed out on the pre-Trib rapture and are faced with going through the Tribulation.

 

[Oseas]

No
There will be no 'rapture to heaven' for anyone; pre, mid or post the Great Tribulation. Jesus said so: No one goes to heaven, except the One who came from there. John 3:13

I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter. Revelation 4:1

2 Corinthians 12:2-4
2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: GOD knoweth such an one caught up to the 3rd heaven.
3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: GOD knoweth
4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.

Revelation 12:3-4 -
3 And there appeared another wonder in HEAVEN(heaven?Ephesians 1:3-8. Take a look.); and behold A GREAT RED DRAGON(Revelation 12:9) , having 7 heads and 10 horns, and 7 crowns upon his heads.
4 And his TAIL(TAIL?Isaiah 9:15-16.Take a look) drew the third part of the stars of heaven, (These verses reveals the religious and satanic body of the Devil, his universal Church-Revelation 13:1-9)

Revelation 12:12 - 12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them(Ephesians 1:3-8). Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

GET READY

The Word is GOD , self-executable

 

[Oseas]

You use scripture to deny scripture, nice.

As the MAN of sin did in the beginning-Genesis 3:1 - twisting and denying the Scripture.

 

[Oseas]

The rapture is not to heaven, it is to the clouds where believers meet Jesus in the clouds.​

The cloud is not literal, the cloud is the same which received JESUS out of the sight of His disciples - Acts 1:9.

 

[keras]

Are you saying that the day of the Lord will be a single day, not a period of time?

The Bible prophets tell us how the now soon to happen, terrible Day of the Lords vengeance and wrath, will happen in one single Day;

Revelation 6:12-17....people will dive for cover and cry out for the Lord to save them.
Isaiah 9:14-15...on one day, the Lord will cut these off from Israel. Ezekiel 21:1-7
Isaiah 29:5-8.... Suddenly, in an instant, punishment will come from the Lord......enemies all wiped out.
Zechariah 3:9 In a single Day, the Lord will wipe out the guilt of the Land.
Isaiah 47:9 Yet, suddenly; in a single day, disaster will come.....
Revelation 18:8 Plagues and disasters will strike Babylon, [the Babylon type of peoples] in a single day, she will perish in flames.

Bible believers should know what the Lord will use to carry out the destruction as Prophesied. It is known that it will last for just 24 hours, the world will recover and the Prophesies from Revelation 7, will take place, leading up to the glorious Return.

 

[JulieB67]

How so?

Fire and brimstone definitely happens after the tribulation, that's my point and what's stated in Luke 17:29. The very next verse states it will be the same as in the day that Christ is revealed. And then it goes on to reference what will happen in that day and the verse/reference you used with two being in the field, etc. So I stated if it's fire and brimstone it will definitely be after the tribulation.

People will be talking about how things are good when this event happens, again, not the Great Tribulation.

I see it as Satan/Antichrist bring the face peace and safety and then bam destruction. Destruction again is after the tribulation so the people have to be thinking peace and safety during the tribulation. At least those worshipping antichrist as their savior.

I Thessalonians 5:3 "For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape."
This is most definitely the wrath of God. So yes, it would be after.

Does the end of 1 Thessalonians 4 describe an event where believers are caught up to meet the Lord in the air or not? That is all I was using that passage to say

Those that are alive and remain will be caught up with those in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air (not sky/breathable air).

It states we are meeting the Lord. It doesn't state we are raptured to Heaven.

 

[Oseas]

The Bible prophets tell us how the now soon to happen, terrible Day of the Lords vengeance and wrath, will happen in one single Day;

Revelation 6:12-17....people will dive for cover and cry out for the Lord to save them.
Isaiah 9:14-15...on one day, the Lord will cut these off from Israel. Ezekiel 21:1-7
Isaiah 29:5-8.... Suddenly, in an instant, punishment will come from the Lord......enemies all wiped out.
Zechariah 3:9 In a single Day, the Lord will wipe out the guilt of the Land.
Isaiah 47:9 Yet, suddenly; in a single day, disaster will come.....
Revelation 18:8 Plagues and disasters will strike Babylon, [the Babylon type of peoples] in a single day, she will perish in flames.

Bible believers should know what the Lord will use to carry out the destruction as Prophesied. It is known that it will last for just 24 hours, the world will recover and the Prophesies from Revelation 7, will take place, leading up to the glorious Return.

2Peter 3:8 - But, beloved, be not IGNORANT of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

The world of Devil, with its nations as a whole, and with all kind of its structures, I mean religious system, and politic system, and economic, military, social,and so on, they are already sufferring and will continue sufferring catastrofic and insufferable punishments in this seventh and last millennium, or seventh and last Day, the LORD's Day. Now, even now, from now on, there will be only and only SEVERE and unbearable, inssusfferable punishments. Get ready, if you're not ready yet to face what's coming soon.

By the way, this current precedent period of sorrows -Matthew 24:3-8 have a list of events made by JESUS- and it is still running, and it is a period of transition to the beginning of the ETERNAL/EVERLASTING chastisement, understand? There will not be any gap between this period of sorrows and the begining of the ETERNAL chastisement, it is a suscessive and immediate event of massive punishment, understand

In fact, the EVERLASTING punishment of all nations, it had a deadline to start, understand? But not to end, understand? As we can understand by the Word of GOD, it is forever and ever, the Word is GOD, the Word is self-executing, the Word of GOD is from everlasting to the everlasting, for GOD is OMNISCIENT.

I must say that we are living in the seventh and last Day, the Lord's Day, or seventh and last millennium, so the Eternal punishment is already started, it started FIRST by THE CURRENT PERIOD of period of sorrows-MATTHEW 24:3-8, so from now on it will NEVER end, but never.
Now, within this environment of punishments and pains, and the entire collapse of the Devil's world, the false messiah of the Jews, as you know, will manifest himself, as JESUS prophesied to the Jews, saying to them that an IMPOSTOR they will receive as their messiah-John 5:43-47, combined with 2 Thessalonians 2:3-12, and Revelation 13 :11-18, among other biblical references. Take a look.

Thus, in the midst of severe chastisement and great suffering in all nations due the WRATH of the Lamb, we will soon see two Beasts reigning on Earth, through the fifth Universal and satanic Kingdom, the Antichrist's kingdom-Daniel 2:41-44:
1st - the ancient Gentile Beast of the Sea-Revelation 13:1-10;
2nd - the Beast of the earth (from Israel) who will still manifest himself as messiah-a false lamb, with two horns-Revelation 13:11-18.

Yes, I repeat, we will soon see two Beasts reigning on Earth, through the fifth Universal kingdom, a religious and satanic Kingdom, the Antichrist's kingdom-Daniel 2:41-44: from then on will begin the period of the last week(of years), the 70th week Daniel 9:27, and each Beast will reign for 3.5 years-42 months-or 1260 days - and who will first rule the 5th and last kingdom of the Devil-Daniel 2:41-44, combined with Luke 21:24 and Revelation 11:2, is the MAN Beast of sea-Revelation 13:1-9;
Then Revelation 11:2 and Revelation 13:5 will begin to LITERALLY be fulfilled as to the FIRST period of the last week, the first ruler of the 1st half of the last week is the old Gentile Beast of the sea. The worst of all punishments will happen in the beginning of the 2nd half of the last week, with the establishment of the Abomination of Desolation for 1290 days-Daniel 12:v.11. GET READY

Well, Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the WICKED shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand. Daniel 12:10

Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days-Dan.12:12. (Oh yes, blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the Ineffable, Wonderful, Indescribable, Unspeakable day, the day 1.335 - Hallelujaaah!!!, 45 days aftger the end of the period of 1290 days).

Has eternal punishment begun? Will be?

New York together other States of America all are being chastised severely, strongly, and also Japan and Europe as a whole, actually all the nations, all the world of Devil, with all kind of structures they all have, yeah, all the nations, are sufferring and will suffer catastrofic and...

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[food4thought]

Fire and brimstone definitely happens after the tribulation, that's my point and what's stated in Luke 17:29. The very next verse states it will be the same as in the day that Christ is revealed. And then it goes on to reference what will happen in that day and the verse/reference you used with two being in the field, etc. So I stated if it's fire and brimstone it will definitely be after the tribulation.

I see it as Satan/Antichrist bring the face peace and safety and then bam destruction. Destruction again is after the tribulation so the people have to be thinking peace and safety during the tribulation. At least those worshipping antichrist as their savior.

I Thessalonians 5:3 "For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape."
This is most definitely the wrath of God. So yes, it would be after.


Those that are alive and remain will be caught up with those in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air (not sky/breathable air).

It states we are meeting the Lord. It doesn't state we are raptured to Heaven.

Again, how can the event described be at the end of Revelation when we have the massive judgements of Revelation 16 immediately preceding the second coming? The references to the days of Noah and Lot render that an impossibility. You may not like the answer, it may make the passage a bit harder to interpret (as prophecy often is), but when you eliminate the impossible...

 

[JulieB67]

Again, how can the event described be at the end of Revelation when we have the massive judgements of Revelation 16 immediately preceding the second coming?

Revelation is not in chronological order at times. I believe it will all happen in the day of the Lord. Just what do you think these verses mean?

I Peter 3:12 "Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?"


I Thessalonians 5:3 "For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape."

That's why it's like a thief in the night. It's so sudden and shocking.



You yourself posted this-

We also learn that everything will be fairly normal when this event occurs, people will be marrying and giving in marriage, grinding at the millstone, and working in the fields. Again, this cannot be at the end of the Great Tribulation,

And I posted these verses that proceed this,


Luke 17:29 "But the same day that Lord went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all."

Luke 17:30 "Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed."
:
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Luke 17:36 "Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left."

How can fire and brimstone/destroying them all not be at the end of the tribulation?

 

[Apple Sky]

No, the rapture will happen on that final day.

 

[Zao is life]

Seems that most people don't believe in a pre trib hope. RIght yes if you believe in a pretrib hope, or no if you believe the word doesn't teach this

No.

 

[food4thought]

Revelation is not in chronological order at times. I believe it will all happen in the day of the Lord. Just what do you think these verses mean?

I Peter 3:12 "Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?"

The day of God is distinct from the day of the Lord. The elements will melt with a fervent heat at the end of the Millenium when "I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away". That will be when the heavens will be dissolved and the elements will melt.

I Thessalonians 5:3 "For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape."

That's why it's like a thief in the night. It's so sudden and shocking.

It will be sudden and unexpected, but preceding it will be normal living conditions per Matthew 24:36-39 and Luke 17:26-30. The Great Tribulation with all it's judgements is not normal living conditions.

You yourself posted this-

And I posted these verses that proceed this,


Luke 17:29 "But the same day that Lord went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all."

Luke 17:30 "Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed."
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Luke 17:36 "Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left."

How can fire and brimstone/destroying them all not be at the end of the tribulation?

The day when the Son of man is revealed will not be a single 24 hour day, but a prolonged period of time. The emphasis of the illustration of the days of Lot isn't the method of judgement anymore than the illustration of the days of Noah. The point Jesus was trying to make is exactly what I have been saying: the time leading up to the event described would be characterized by normal everyday life, it would be unexpected, and judgement would immediately follow.

 

[food4thought]

The Bible prophets tell us how the now soon to happen, terrible Day of the Lords vengeance and wrath, will happen in one single Day;

Revelation 6:12-17....people will dive for cover and cry out for the Lord to save them.

That is only the sixth seal, there are still the trumpet and bowl judgements to come. The day of the Lord encompasses more than one single judgement.

Isaiah 9:14-15...on one day, the Lord will cut these off from Israel.

Therefore the LORD will cut off head and tail from Israel, Palm branch and bulrush in one day. The elder and honorable, he is the head; The prophet who teaches lies, he is the tail.​

(Isaiah 9:14-15)​

Not sure what this passage has to do with the final day of the Lord, it is speaking of the destruction of Israel by the Assyrians.

Ezekiel 21:1-7

That passage is speaking of Jerusalem's final destruction by the Babylonians. Which took more than one day, by the way.

Isaiah 29:5-8.... Suddenly, in an instant, punishment will come from the Lord......enemies all wiped out.

This is primarily speaking of Jerusalem's deliverance from the Assyrians (Isaiah 36-37). It could have eschatological overtones, though... then it would be speaking of the 2nd coming of our Lord described in Revelation 19.

Zechariah 3:9 In a single Day, the Lord will wipe out the guilt of the Land.

This could be speaking of the cross.

Isaiah 47:9 Yet, suddenly; in a single day, disaster will come.....
Revelation 18:8 Plagues and disasters will strike Babylon, [the Babylon type of peoples] in a single day, she will perish in flames.

The fall of eschatological Babylon referenced in Revelation 18. This will indeed happen at or immediately preceding the return of Jesus Christ

Bible believers should know what the Lord will use to carry out the destruction as Prophesied. It is known that it will last for just 24 hours, the world will recover and the Prophesies from Revelation 7, will take place, leading up to the glorious Return.

Just because certain events will happen, or have happened, in a single day does not mean that the prophesied day of the Lord is a single day and not a prolonged period of time.

A few references to the day of the Lord, to illustrate how it is not one single day event, but a series of events that happens over a period of time:

For it is the day of the LORD's vengeance, The year of recompense for the cause of Zion.
(Isaiah 34:8)

The word of the LORD which came to Jeremiah the prophet against the nations. Against Egypt. Concerning the army of Pharaoh Necho, king of Egypt, which was by the River Euphrates in Carchemish, and which Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon defeated in the fourth year of Jehoiakim the son of Josiah, king of Judah: "Order the buckler and shield, And draw near to battle! Harness the horses, And mount up, you horsemen! Stand forth with your helmets, Polish the spears, Put on the armor! Why have I seen them dismayed and turned back? Their mighty ones are beaten down; They have speedily fled, And did not look back, For fear was all around," says the LORD. "Do not let the swift flee away, Nor the mighty man escape; They will stumble and fall Toward the north, by the River Euphrates. "Who is this coming up like a flood, Whose waters move like the rivers? Egypt rises up like a flood, And its waters move like the rivers; And he says, 'I will go up and cover the earth, I will destroy the city and its inhabitants.' Come up, O horses, and rage, O chariots! And let the mighty men come forth: The Ethiopians and the Libyans who handle the shield, And the Lydians who handle and bend the bow. For this is the day of the Lord GOD of hosts, A day of vengeance, That He may avenge Himself on His adversaries. The sword shall devour; It shall be satiated and made drunk with their blood; For the Lord GOD of hosts has a sacrifice In the north country by the River Euphrates. "Go up to Gilead and take balm, O virgin, the daughter of Egypt; In vain you will use many medicines; You shall not be cured. The nations have heard of your shame, And your cry has filled the land; For the mighty man has stumbled against the mighty; They both have fallen together."
(Jeremiah 46:1-12)

Alas for the day! For the day of the LORD is at hand; It shall come as destruction from the Almighty. Is not the food cut off before our eyes, Joy and gladness from the house of our God? The seed shrivels under the clods, Storehouses are in shambles; Barns are broken down, For the grain has withered. How the animals groan! The herds of cattle are restless, Because they have no pasture; Even the flocks of sheep suffer punishment. O LORD, to You I cry out; For fire has devoured the open pastures, And a flame has burned all the trees of the field. The beasts of the field also cry out to You, For the water brooks are dried up, And fire has devoured the open pastures.
(Joel 1:15-20) All of this took more than a day.

Blow the trumpet in Zion, And sound an alarm in My holy mountain! Let all the inhabitants of the land tremble; For the day of the LORD is coming, For it is at hand: A day of darkness and gloominess, A day of clouds and thick darkness, Like the morning clouds spread over the mountains. A people come, great and strong, The like of whom has never been; Nor will there ever be any such after them, Even for many successive generations. A fire devours before them, And behind them a flame burns; The land is like the Garden of Eden before them, And behind them a desolate wilderness; Surely nothing shall escape them. Their appearance is like the appearance of horses; And like swift steeds, so they run. With a noise like chariots Over mountaintops they leap, Like the noise of a flaming fire that devours the stubble, Like a strong people set in battle array. Before them the people writhe in pain; All faces are drained of color. They run like mighty men, They climb the wall like men of war; Every one marches in formation, And they do not break ranks. They do not push one another; Every one marches in his own column. Though they lunge between the weapons, They are not cut down. They run to and fro in the city, They run on the wall; They climb into the houses, They enter at the windows like a thief. The earth quakes before them, The heavens tremble; The sun and moon grow dark, And the stars diminish their brightness. The LORD gives voice before His army, For His camp is very great; For strong is the One who executes His word. For the day of the LORD is great and very terrible; Who can endure it?
(Joel 2:1-11) Sounds very much like the 5th trumpet (Revelation 9:1-11), doesn't it? This judgement lasts much longer than a day.

I could go on, but this is sufficient to show there is not one singular event that is described as the day of the Lord, and it is not necessarily a single 24 hour day event.

 

[JulieB67]

That is only the sixth seal, there are still the trumpet and bowl judgements to come.

."The seals are not actions. They are stamps/marks

The seals actually show us what will happen, they cover the entire tribulation right down to God's wrath.

For example, these are the same event -

Revelation 6:14 "And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places."

Revelation 16:20 "And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found."


Revelation 6:16 "And said to the mountains and the rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

This is the end of the tribulation. Wrath is not the same thing as tribulation.

Revelation 6:17 "For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?"

This is what the gospel armour is for

Ephesians 6:11 "Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil."

Ephesians 6:13 "Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God that ye may be able to with stand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand."

he day when the Son of man is revealed will not be a single 24 hour day,

Christ's second coming rings in the Lord's Day

The day of God is distinct from the day of the Lord. The elements will melt with a fervent heat at the end of the Millenium

Yes, we will have a heavens and new earth but God's wrath starts that off at the beginning.

"Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God,

No one will be looking for the Millennium when it's already here.


In the Millennium, there is no analogy of two men working in the field and yet there will be brimstone and fire in that "day" when the son of man is revealed -that is Gods's wrath and the same example is people thinking peace and safey and then sudden destruction shall come upon them. They will be praying for mountains to fall on them.

The Great Tribulation with all it's judgements is not normal living conditions.

The tribulation will be all about the reign of Satan/Antichrist/his angels. Most of the world will have bought into that sense of peace and safety he brings (disguised as an angel of light ..) That's how he destroys -by peace. And that's what people will be thinking. He's so good with the signs and wonders that Christ said if it were possible, even his very elect would fall for it. Gospel armour -wiles (trickery) of the devil.

 

[food4thought]

."The seals are not actions. They are stamps/marks

The seals actually show us what will happen, they cover the entire tribulation right down to God's wrath.

For example, these are the same event -

Revelation 6:14 "And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places."

Revelation 16:20 "And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found."


Revelation 6:16 "And said to the mountains and the rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

This is the end of the tribulation. Wrath is not the same thing as tribulation.

Revelation 6:17 "For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?"

This is what the gospel armour is for

Ephesians 6:11 "Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil."

Ephesians 6:13 "Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God that ye may be able to with stand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand."


Christ's second coming rings in the Lord's Day


Yes, we will have a heavens and new earth but God's wrath starts that off at the beginning.




No one will be looking for the Millennium when it's already here.


In the Millennium, there is no analogy of two men working in the field and yet there will be brimstone and fire in that "day" when the son of man is revealed -that is Gods's wrath and the same example is people thinking peace and safey and then sudden destruction shall come upon them. They will be praying for mountains to fall on them.



The tribulation will be all about the reign of Satan/Antichrist/his angels. Most of the world will have bought into that sense of peace and safety he brings (disguised as an angel of light ..) That's how he destroys -by peace. And that's what people will be thinking. He's so good with the signs and wonders that Christ said if it were possible, even his very elect would fall for it. Gospel armour -wiles (trickery) of the devil.

I've said my piece. You seem to be so wrapped up in denying a pre-tribulational rapture that you can't acknowledge that the Great Tribulation will not be life as normal. So be it, this is not a salvation issue and I am not going to argue with you about it.