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'United Methodist Church' on Calvinism?

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I was curious about the UMC's stance on Calvinist beliefs. Is the UMC Arminian doctrinally, or incidentally? I suppose what I mean is: Does the UMC hold to a particular interpretation of scripture that is irreconcilable with any of the five points? Or do congregants of UMC churches just happen to hold Arminian views (due to some other beliefs/traditions/etc that perhaps tend them toward such a position)?

My Methodist friend was telling me they had a class over Calvinism recently at his church. He apparently paid little-to-no attention, and his inabilty to answer this question left me with a curiosity that I felt necessary to satisfy.

Not really an important thing for me to know, but I would like to. Random particulars regarding other church's beliefs always interests me. Please point me to the source of any relevant information. Thank you!
 

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The UMC is not "ANTI"-Calvinism. That is we don't define what we do and don't believe based on what Calvin said and then seek to refute him. Rather, we simply read the scriptures and understand it to say something different than what Calvin did. We reached consensus regarding our beliefs before defining our doctrine, so I'm not sure how to respond to your questions above.
 
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The UMC is not "ANTI"-Calvinism. That is we don't define what we do and don't believe based on what Calvin said and then seek to refute him. Rather, we simply read the scriptures and understand it to say something different than what Calvin did. We reached consensus regarding our beliefs before defining our doctrine, so I'm not sure how to respond to your questions above.

No one said that Methodists are ANTI-Calvinist. I just said that we aren't Calvinist going all the way back to Wesley. But, we don't put on ninja suits and sneak over to the Presbyterian Church to burn it down at night for heresy! ;)
 
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No one said that Methodists are ANTI-Calvinist. I just said that we aren't Calvinist going all the way back to Wesley. But, we don't put on ninja suits and sneak over to the Presbyterian Church to burn it down at night for heresy! ;)
Bryan, the "ANTI-Calvinist" remark was not direct at either you or your post, it was just the way I was trying to address the OP in which I was basically saying what you had already said, affirm it, but not repeat it word for word.


However, I'm thinking that Ninja suit has possibilities...
 
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Bryan, the "ANTI-Calvinist" remark was not direct at either you or your post, it was just the way I was trying to address the OP in which I was basically saying what you had already said, affirm it, but not repeat it word for word.


However, I'm thinking that Ninja suit has possibilities...

OK. The all-caps ANTI- threw me off.
 
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Methodists have all sorts of theologies now days and aren't exclusively Arminian. John Cobb is a Methodist Process theologian- it's a theology that emphasizes free will, and that does seem in keeping with the overall theme of Methodism. More conservative methodists are loosely Arminian.

As a youth I remember specificly reading that Methodists reject the fatalism sometimes implicit in calvinism, including emphasizing predestination (I never heard of that idea until much later in college), and there is an emphasis on God's love rather than justice. Wesley was a piestist and only loosely Arminian, not strictly conforming to Jacobus Armininus' theology. Wesley believed in "generous orthodoxy" like alot of pietists.
 
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Methodists have all sorts of theologies now days and aren't exclusively Arminian. John Cobb is a Methodist Process theologian- it's a theology that emphasizes free will, and that does seem in keeping with the overall theme of Methodism. More conservative methodists are loosely Arminian.

As a youth I remember specificly reading that Methodists reject the fatalism sometimes implicit in calvinism, including emphasizing predestination (I never heard of that idea until much later in college), and there is an emphasis on God's love rather than justice. Wesley was a piestist and only loosely Arminian, not strictly conforming to Jacobus Armininus' theology. Wesley believed in "generous orthodoxy" like alot of pietists.

Methodist people have all sorts of theologies these days due to poor interpretation of our "Open Minds" campaign. But nothing in your post indicates any drift of the church to Calvinism, except for your opening statement. Liberal and conservative Methodists agree on free will over predestination and God's love for all is central to everything we do.
 
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No, I never implied that Methodists had drifted towards Calvinism. But as others have said, Methodists aren't "anti-Calvinist crusaders".

John Cobb is a well respected theologian among moderate and liberal Methodists, and even outside of Methodism.
 
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It probably isn't enough to say that United Methodists are not anti-Calvinists (because the early Methodists most certainly were). So, what can we say about our Methodist theology?

Wesley and the early Methodists were particularly concerned about inviting people to experience God’s grace and to grow in their knowledge and love of God through disciplined Christian living. They placed primary emphasis on Christian living, on putting faith and love into action. This emphasis on what Wesley referred to as "practical divinity" has continued to be a hallmark of United Methodism today.

The underlying energy of the Wesleyan theological heritage stems from an emphasis upon practical divinity, the implementation of genuine Christianity in the lives of believers.

Methodism did not arise in response to a specific doctrinal dispute, though there was no lack of theological controversy. Early Methodists claimed to preach the scriptural doctrines of the Church of England as contained in the Articles of Religion, the Homilies, and the Book of Common Prayer.

Their task was not to reformulate doctrine. Their tasks were to summon people to experience the justifying and sanctifying grace of God and encourage people to grow in the knowledge and love of God through the personal and corporate disciplines of the Christian life.

The thrust of the Wesleyan movement and of the United Brethren and Evangelical Association was "to reform the nation, particularly the Church, and to spread scriptural holiness over the land."

Wesley's orientation toward the practical is evident in his focus upon the "scripture way of salvation." He considered doctrinal matters primarily in terms of their significance for Christian discipleship.

The Wesleyan emphasis upon the Christian life—faith and love put into practice—has been the hallmark of those traditions now incorporated into The United Methodist Church. The distinctive shape of the Wesleyan theological heritage can be seen in a constellation of doctrinal emphases that display the creating, redeeming, and sanctifying activity of God.

The distinctive shape of our theological heritage can be seen not only in this emphasis on Christian living, but also in Wesley's distinctive understanding of God's saving grace. Although Wesley shared with many other Christians a belief in salvation by grace, he combined them in a powerful way to create distinctive emphases for living the full Christian life.

Although Wesley shared with many other Christians a belief in grace, justification, assurance, and sanctification, he combined them in a powerful manner to create distinctive emphases for living the full Christian life. The Evangelical United Brethren tradition, particularly as expressed by Phillip William Otterbein from a Reformed background, gave similar distinctive emphases.


Grace pervades our understanding of Christian faith and life. By grace we mean the undeserved, unmerited, and loving action of God in human existence through the ever-present Holy Spirit. While the grace of God is undivided, it precedes salvation as "prevenient grace," continues in "justifying grace," and is brought to fruition in "sanctifying grace."

We assert that God's grace is manifest in all creation even though suffering, violence, and evil are everywhere present. The goodness of creation is fulfilled in human beings, who are called to covenant partnership with God. God has endowed us with dignity and freedom and has summoned us to responsibility for our lives and the life of the world.

In God's self-revelation, Jesus Christ, we see the splendor of our true humanity. Even our sin, with its destructive consequences for all creation, does not alter God's intention for us—holiness and happiness of heart. Nor does it diminish our accountability for the way we live.

Despite our brokenness, we remain creatures brought into being by a just and merciful God. The restoration of God's image in our lives requires divine grace to renew our fallen nature.

Prevenient Grace—We acknowledge God's prevenient grace, the divine love that surrounds all humanity and precedes any and all of our conscious impulses. This grace prompts our first wish to please God, our first glimmer of understanding concerning God's will, and our "first slight transient conviction" of having sinned against God.
God's grace also awakens in us an earnest longing for deliverance from sin and death and moves us toward repentance and faith.

Justification and Assurance—We believe God reaches out to the repentant believer in justifying grace with accepting and pardoning love. Wesleyan theology stresses that a decisive change in the human heart can and does occur under the prompting of grace and the guidance of the Holy Spirit.

In justification we are, through faith, forgiven our sin and restored to God's favor. This righting of relationships by God through Christ calls forth our faith and trust as we experience regeneration, by which we are made new creatures in Christ.

(source the doctrinal heritage portion of The Book of Discipline)
 
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I read a letter from George Whitefield to John Wesley at Whitefield to Wesley. I think the main difference between Methodism and Calvinism is predestination. Whitefield quarreled with Wesley that Christ only died for the elect, those whom God predestined to be saved, therefore, not all will believe in Christ but Wesley argued that all can be saved,
 
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Three things that are the main points of disagreement, I think. As the above poster mentioned, predestination. Scripture teaches that Gods' predestination are based on His foreknowledge of all things.
New Living Translation
[ Jesus Grieves over Jerusalem ] “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the city that kills the prophets and stones God’s messengers! How often I have wanted to gather your children together as a hen protects her chicks beneath her wings, but you wouldn’t let me.
Predestination is tied closely with Assurance, another sticking point. This is so popular today that most people would rather hear that they can not lose their salvation than to hear, you must be holy for I Am Holy. Scriptures teach of false salvation. It also speaks of falling away/backsliding/turning away. We can lose our salvation by choosing desertion, by continuing in sin after having learned the truth, by having itching ears & going after teachings not laid down by the Jesus, His apostles and prophets. Also, allowing cares of this world to choke the Word & become unprofitable. We can be a hearer & not a doer of the Word, deceiving ourselves.
I think I forgot the third but anyway I'll stick to another of the 5 points. Jesus died for all there for salvation is open to all who will come & repent of their sins when the Holy Spirit calls. No limited atonement for those Christ choose just because.
 
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Grace is the power of God not to be confused with the mercy of God, which is the way grace is usually taught. 'Oh, I'm so sinful but He is rich in grace & forgives me every time.' If He chooses to forgive, that is mercy not to be expected no matter how often we sin because Hebrews 10 says -
26 For if we go on deliberately and willingly sinning after once acquiring the knowledge of the Truth, there is no longer any sacrifice left to atone for [our] sins [no further offering to which to look forward].
27 [There is nothing left for us then] but a kind of awful and fearful prospect and expectation of divine judgment and the fury of burning wrath and indignation which will consume those who put themselves in opposition [to God].
28 Any person who has violated and [thus] rejected and set at naught the Law of Moses is put to death without pity or mercy on the evidence of two or three witnesses.
29 How much worse (sterner and heavier) punishment do you suppose he will be judged to deserve who has spurned and [thus] trampled underfoot the Son of God, and who has considered the covenant blood by which he was consecrated common and unhallowed, thus profaning it and insulting and outraging the [Holy] Spirit [Who imparts] grace (the unmerited favor and blessing of God)?

The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Grace or the Spirit of Christ. The Church really began on the Day of Pentecost when the Gift that was promised through Abraham came. The 'seed' of Christ came to live within us, now we have Christ in us the Hope of Glory. Now we can say I can do all things through Christ Who strengthens me. Now, sin shall have no dominion over us because we are not under law but under grace.

Romans 8

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8 Therefore, [there is] now no condemnation (no adjudging guilty of wrong) for those who are in Christ Jesus, who live [and] walk not after the dictates of the flesh, but after the dictates of the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life [which is] in Christ Jesus [the law of our new being] has freed me from the law of sin and of death.
3 For God has done what the Law could not do, [its power] being weakened by the flesh [the entire nature of man without the Holy Spirit]. Sending His own Son in the guise of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, [God] condemned sin in the flesh [subdued, overcame, deprived it of its power over all who accept that sacrifice],
4 So that the righteous and just requirement of the Law might be fully met in us who live and move not in the ways of the flesh but in the ways of the Spirit [our lives governed not by the standards and according to the dictates of the flesh, but controlled by the Holy Spirit].
 
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